Australian Housing Affordability Discussion

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And if the Tax office looks at her driver's licence etc where would it show she lives? Same with all her personal documents e.g. medicare card. Where does all her mail go? There may also be issues if you die before her and she wants to take over your suburban home and has to pay CGT and stamp duty before she gets the title.

It may affect her car insurance if she says "I live at rural address" but really lives at suburban address.

Does your health insurance say a couple has to live together to get a couple rate?

If she has another address will you still be considered married for other legal matters?

As always get professional advice and remember that trying to deprive the tax office of money is very hard. They have the resources and know where to look to make a case.

I'd suggest it might be more effort than it's worth.

To answer a couple of these questions

The ATO Interest in PPoR v Rental only matters if you’ve claimed neg gearing or failed to declare income (but since you’re apparntly living in it, would there be any?) but they do have blitzes on ‘faked’ holiday homes where rent asked prevents anyone letting the place or where it’s never available during school holidays as the owner is using it.
As for CGT, NO impact at transfer upon death. It’s a question of cost base at that point. With calculated CGT Only when and if eventually sold. It could pass down generations never actually incurring CGT Deceased estates and capital gains tax

Otherwise it’s a SRO State revenue matter of ‘fake’ ownership to avoid land tax or obtain say a first home owners grant. As to stamp duty upon death Deceased estates and duty | State Revenue Office. Appears primarily exempt. But if said property is in a trust or corporate owner it’s timeless

Car insurance yes reduced as are / were registration fees outside of capital city as was the case in SA. Little time likely spent on auditing the reality

Health insurance is regularly covering ex partners and children living at different addresses. This I know as it’s my circumstances.
 
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So there's been a rate cut last week bringing the rate to a new historical low. The Insiders this morning suggested that many will simply throw the savings on the mortgage thus defeating the purpose of the rate cut.





, I was wondering just how bad is the economy, anecdotally and/or at ground level?





There have been regular stories on the ABC news website where various analysts provide graphs showing mortgage stress/delinquency, negative equity, etc etc





But I keep waiting for the news story on the family that's had to sell or started a gofundme page to help with the increased mortgage payments as the fixed term ended and the cough banks started charging at P&I rates. Wasn't there supposed to be a large number of mortgage holders in such a position?





In fact, I know three people that have bought properties since the election. Only one complained of being put the ringer by the lenders.





My facebook feed is constantly fed by friends on what must be expensive overseas holidays (no-one seems to holiday domestically anymore), checking into J lounges, and various other pursuits and activities that would generally indicate that belt-tightening is a long way off.





So where are the stories of austerity to support the dire situation that economy is supposed to be in?


I don't know anyone that's been laid off or forced to sell their house.





The short answer is the news reports are more beat-up than the economy.

The longer answer

So there's been a rate cut last week.
The Insiders this morning suggested that many will simply throw the savings on the mortgage

true - anyone paying off these ridiculously high loan values will do this. Better to pay the principal down and finish repayments in 15 years than 30-35years. Especially if you’re already 45 when you start !

I was wondering just how bad is the economy, anecdotally and/or at ground level?
It’s not. But the purists will say the sky is falling because they tout continual expansion when perpetual growth is disingenuous. Just how many whitegoods does one household need ? A bit like the election results, the opinion makers have an opinion which isn’t reality. As the baseline raises every year, you get a % reduction effect and yet in absolute volume the increase is often higher.

Eg which figure is higher. 18% of $100,000, average full time earnings $35,000 only one income in the household 4 kids (1990 housing prices and interest rates).

Or 4% of $450,000 (today’s median outer suburb prices and interest) average full time earnings $73,000 two income households 2 kids

Well. It depends on which one you use, and that’s the point, opinion makers ELEVATE whatever stat suits their argument. In any event, going by the losses Atlassian has made, why is their share price now $130 enough for the founders to now own the former Fairfax mansions at Point Piper sold for a aggregate $190 million. Income doesn’t much have any connection to wealth creation. Capital gains do

There have been regular stories on the ABC news website where various analysts provide graphs showing mortgage stress/delinquency, negative equity, etc etc
Delinquency rates top out around 3.3% in WA and NT

FOR Severe hardship, Genworth the Lenders mortgage insurer run a book of 1.3 million properties covered. Annual hardship around 9,670. Tooth and nail people fightto stay in their home and LMI is how it’s done. Extend the loan period blah blah. APRA required banks to model a 7% interest rate for loan approval affordability


In fact, I know three people that have bought properties since the election. Only one complained of being put the ringer by the lenders.


Election all over, no risk of changes to neg gearing, pretty decent slump in property prices. Interest rates still heading down too. Just think of property prices as if they were the prices of a share on ASX. price behaviour seems to operate somewhat similarly.

My facebook feed is constantly fed by friends on what must be expensive overseas holidays (no-one seems to holiday domestically anymore), checking into J lounges, and various other pursuits and activities that would generally indicate that belt-tightening is a long way off.

Ah no GST on offshore holidays, let’s blame our sagging economy on the Bali shoppers.

Most super arrangements are ample to do this as there’s the safety net of age pension and Medicare and aged care subsides should you run out of your own capital. Of course many will never run out of capital as they live on the tax-free earnings or have account based pensions or large SMSF haha or large pools of frequent flyer points with some on annually replenishing defined benefits .

As has been pointed out, folk on age pensions can travel overseas to visit family in the original home country, and Asian locations often so much cheaper than here ($60 a week?)

So where are the stories of austerity to support the dire situation that economy is supposed to be in?

When 1/3 of household income goes to taxes (income tax and GST) and 1/3 (or more) to rent or home loans. Plus another 10% to rates and taxes (or strata fees), utilities and superannuation and 5% more to food and 12-15% to children. Seriously stretched. People are already living austerity. And they voted for lower taxes as the tax burden on top of home loans is enormous.


I don't know anyone that's been laid off or forced to sell their house.
I do, but selling the house is mainly tied to business loans where the business collapses leaving a large outstanding loan balance. The checks and balances on business loans appear to be nothing like home loans. And the cashflow literally dries up overnight So the capacity to pay ends when the business shuts, and foreclosures then appear to be harsh. PS I’m told the Royal commission has had a chilling effect on property foreclosures.

AS FOR being laid off, unemployment is very low, and back to Genworth a lot of income opportunities are explored before any forced sales. They brag about it in their annual report. (Another govt asset that was flogged off and privatised) The lay off itself comes with redundancy payments and unused leave is fully guaranteed by the Australian Government under the FEG legislation. So as a consequence They appear generally not to cause residence foreclosure. The size of the layoff payments tides people over some months plus those near superannuation preservation age can always access that and tip the balance into paying out the mortgage.

PS Divorce had previously been a significant reason for selling a house and divorce rates have dived. People are staying together longer OR it may be as result of the superannuation splitting laws from 2001 where the house is just given to the custodial parent in lieu of share of super...

So that’s the longer answer
 
Most major economies have become examples of spin over reality.

Technically (and in reality) the Japanese economy was bankrupted in the early 1990s after the Japanese Govt (LDP - Money Politics...) launched a national advertising blitz to try and bail out one of their largest donor groups - the housing companies.

The Govt also introduced the "Grandfather" or "Grandparents" mortgages. Mortgages that went for up to 120 years. In 1989 the value of Tokyo property was announced as greater than the value of all property (commercial, industrial, retail & residential) in the United States. Just Tokyo alone that is.

This was mostly due to the Japanese Capital Gains Tax on property being levied at 65% - so if a property was sold then it was impossible for an extended family to buy another within 30+km due to the value paid in tax - so property sales were almost non-existent. A secondary housing market did not exist.

Paul Keating took advantage of the obvious bubble to sell just under half the Australian Embassy's land in Tokyo for $640m. Around 7,000 sq metres was sold together with an undertaking by the purchaser to provide two floors of the impending development to the Australian Govt for no cost (including full fitout).


All Japanese banks had property loans leveraged to the maximum. The bubble began to burst in 1991 and 1993 was when the Japanese Govt tried to bail out their property donors. A massive advertising blitz was held promoting the '"Once in a lifetime opportunity to secure land for your grandchildren to live on" - in reality a small unit in a high rise built by Sekisui House etc.

Together with the 120 year mortgages this dragged in an estimated 40% of Japanese household savings. Within 18 months residential property prices had fallen another 20+%. - totally wiping out all equity in the purchasing surge generated. Loss of face (declaring bankruptcy) is considered to bring more disgrace on your family than committing suicide in Japan. The vicious cycle accelerated and in nominal terms residential property prices fell close to 85% from their peak. In real terms residential (and commercial) property prices are back to mid 1970s levels.

As the then 2nd largest economy in the world - it was too big to fail. So the World Bank et al agreed to 'deal with it'. Japanese companies began liquidating their property holdings around the world (Sydney, Queensland and Hawaii amongst the hardest hit). The Japanese economy is still moribund today despite having zero interest rates for approaching 30 years.

Low interest rates penalise the virtuous and reward the 'operators'. Once interest rates fall below a certain level (effectively 3% in any OECD economy) there is no benefit to the economy other than for ticket clippers such as investment banks...

Privately I heard a RBA deputy Governor describe it as like trying to PUSH an elephant with a piece of string - pointless.

Pretty much all major economies around the world have now had negative real (and in some cases nominal) interest rates for up to 30 years.

So people & companies that are/were well run and had significant savings have effectively been taxed (not earning anything on their capital reserves in interest after tax) to prolong the existence of companies that are over-indebted and inefficient. Add in Govt subisidies, initiatives etc etc - and the piece of string is well and truly being pushed inside the elephant's rear.

The Australian story has benefited or been bailed out by the rise of China. Just as many Western countries saw their property markets crash in 2007-2010 Australia was bailed out by the rise in commodity demand. Despite the biggest improvement in Australia's terms of trade - we are NOT coming close (nor have in the last decade) to paying even half the annual interest bill on our overseas debt.

The Ponzi scheme continues to grow.

Just as the Japanese Govt sacrificed the wider economy and community in a futile attempt to bail out their donors - the Australian Govts have been doing the same for Australian developers, construction companies and banks aka the largest consistent donors to both sides of politics since the mid 1990s (aggregated at Local, State & Federal Govt levels).

The tin has been kicked a long way down the road, is very dented now and going rusty...
 
I also thought this was worth chucking in here


That issue about never dropping the rents “because of LVR” borders on scandalous. It also suggests landlords livin in Lala land divorced from market forces with no interest in whether a business owner can survive. Greedy much ?
 
Add in some land tax, repairs and maintenance as well as rates and taxes and you can see the futility of attempting to make profits out of residential real estate unless you buy in a redevelopment area.
 
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