Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

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It did occur to me that the introduction of charging people for their quarantine could encourage risky behaviour from those prone to being risky and pushing boundaries, so to speak.

Without expressing any sympathy for this position, more talking about motivations as an intellectual issue, the transfer of the cost of quarantine to individuals is likely to drive more of this type of behaviour which might be aimed at avoiding a heavy personal cost. Asking individuals to pay for quarantine costs individually/personally for what is really a public benefit (keeping COVID out of the community) is the effect of this recent change and many people will just not think that's a good use of their money.
And it's not even the case always (although it might well have been for the Qld 2) that people knew what they were in for when they left home. The way borders have slammed shut, new hot spots have been added etc with very little notice, it is entirely possible that people planned their travel according to the rules at the time and then found themselves caught out by short notice changes. If you had a couple of families or groups of friends travelling, the financial incentive (for those inclined not to respect others or the rules, no matter what the personal cost) to take steps to avoid quarantine is pretty strong. Further, people trying to do the right thing and get home before border closures (both internationally and now domestically) have been hit with massive costs for expensive flights. Just remember it was only a couple of weeks back that we were all being encouraged to holiday at home...
I don't have the answers, just questions and random thoughts, but it seems to me that it is never a good idea to "punish" people financially when you want them to do something that has more benefit for the community than for them personally. YMMV.
 
... another slammed shut border ...

Major impact for my family ...

... Those selfish girls have a lot to answer for, and we are only talking money and mental anguish of a first time grandmother (ex-ADF) and a first time mother who serves her country very far from her family ...
But then we are criticised for expressing our frustration over what some irresponsible people get up to, unnecessarily affecting the lives of many. Say too much and we are accused of putting a community on show and making them fearful.
 
Qld health alert......

Public Health Alert: West Moreton and Brisbane South
31 July 2020
A Public Health Alert has been issued for locations in the West Moreton and Brisbane South area in relation to today’s (31 July 2020) confirmed case of COVID-19.
Any individuals who have been in the below locations during the relevant times are asked to monitor their health and immediately present for testingif they are experiencing any relevant symptoms.
Locations:
DetailSuburbDateTime
Caltex GoodnaGoodna26-Jul-2011.30am-11.35am
Sleeman Sports Complex*Chandler26-Jul-2012.30-2.10pm
Garden City Shopping CentreMount Gravatt26-Jul-204-7pm
K Mart at Garden City Shopping CentreMount Gravatt26-Jul-204-5pm
JB HiFi at Garden City Shopping CentreMount Gravatt26-Jul-204.30-5pm
MOS Burger at Garden City Shopping CentreMount Gravatt26-Jul-20Around 5pm
Chatime Garden CityMount Gravatt26-Jul-20Around 6pm
Café 63Redbank Plains27-Jul-2010-10.30am
Bunnings SpringfieldSpringfield27-Jul-2011am-1pm
Bunnings OxleyOxley27-Jul-203.15-4pm
Basketball Court Springfield Lakes*Springfield Lakes27-Jul-206-8.30pm
Nando’s KenmoreKenmore27-Jul-208.45-8.55pm
Caltex WacolWacol28-Jul-208.40-8.45am
Richlands Medical Centre Richlands PlazaRichlands29-Jul-20Around 10.45am
SNP Collection Centre Forest LakeForest Lake29-Jul-20Around 11.35am
*People who are close contacts will be contacted directly by the Public Health Unit.

 
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At least the airlines made some money as thousands pour across the border...

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Breaking: Mass exodus from Sydney to Brisbane, 17 extra flights added as border closure looms

More than 8000 people have flown into Queensland from NSW ahead of the border closing at 1am on Saturday, while thousands more flocked over via road.

Airlines added an additional 17 flights between Sydney and Brisbane on Friday to deal with increased demand, authorities said.

Queensland blindsided its southern neighbour on Wednesday by declaring the whole of Greater Sydney as a coroanvirus hotspot in response to a huge surge in community transmission.

 

another slammed shut border. Effective midnight tonight NT has declared Brisbane a hot spot.

Major impact for my family.

My niece is in the ADF and was posted to Darwin in December 2019. She delivered her first baby at the beginning of June. No one in the family has seen her or the baby. My sister planned a visit. Turns out that on COVID schedule you cannot get from Canberra where we live to Darwin on the same day. So an overnight at an airport hotel is required. Thinking ahead and reading the news, she decided it was too risky to overnight in Sydney. So she planned her overnight for Brisbane.
My sister departed from Canberra tonight and is currently stressed out in Brisbane as her flight is scheduled for 0940 tomorrow and she will now have to do a 2 week quarantine at her own expense - or try for a refund of unused flight segments having paid for a trip to Brisbane and a hotel and meals that will now amount to nothing.
So sorry for your sister.

How long was your sister planning to go? Can she afford the cost and time for quarantine?

She might try to apply for an exemption.

edit: if your sister tries for an exemption I would put in as a relevant fact about the travel complications and that she is effectively mid-transit when the hotspot was declared.

i guess in mitigation, did she wear a mask from airport to hotel and back? What will she plan to do (eg not leave daughter house? Wear mask for 14 days?) would submit to any enquires mandatory testing during the 14 days?


 
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Just watched Norman Swan on “The Virus”. He’s getting more frustrated: Too many people out and about in Melbourne and people including experts, not taking seriously very fine virus droplets hanging in the air and travelling quite far.
 
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Just watched Norman Swan on “The Virus”. He’s getting a more frustrated: Too many people out and about in Melbourne and people including experts, not taking seriously very fine virus droplets hanging in the air and travelling quite far.
Is it Coronacast or a different program?

i heard him saying very early on about wearing a mask in Melbourne. Is he from there?
 
It’s on iview now “the virus“. I can’t seem to post a link to it but it comes up straight away. Latest episode 31 July.
Maybe this link?

 
@Seat0B, It seems that it is BNE city that is the hotspot that the NT is shutting against. If you sister stays at the airport area she may be safe to get through.


another slammed shut border. Effective midnight tonight NT has declared Brisbane a hot spot.

Major impact for my family.

My niece is in the ADF and was posted to Darwin in December 2019. She delivered her first baby at the beginning of June. No one in the family has seen her or the baby. My sister planned a visit. Turns out that on COVID schedule you cannot get from Canberra where we live to Darwin on the same day. So an overnight at an airport hotel is required. Thinking ahead and reading the news, she decided it was too risky to overnight in Sydney. So she planned her overnight for Brisbane.
My sister departed from Canberra tonight and is currently stressed out in Brisbane as her flight is scheduled for 0940 tomorrow and she will now have to do a 2 week quarantine at her own expense - or try for a refund of unused flight segments having paid for a trip to Brisbane and a hotel and meals that will now amount to nothing.
Those selfish Brisbane girls have a lot to answer for, and we are not only talking money here but also the mental anguish of a first time grandmother (ex-ADF) and a first time mother who also serves her country very far from her family.
I refer to my earlier post about quarantine cost and short notice border closures. @Lynda2475, it’s just not as simple as saying take travel insurance and factor in cost of quarantine.
I really feel for people with family in Aged Care right now 😞
 
@Seat0B, It seems that it is BNE city that is the hotspot that the NT is shutting against. If you sister stays at the airport area she may be safe to get through.
Although, if it is based upon the Local Government Area of Brisbane, then Brisbane Airport is well within that boundary.
 
Well if this thread is a microcosm of society some of the vilification is personal in nature for one and not the other. And the other point is one has now got the full brunt of the law, the other has not (yet?!).

1/ I agree that the comments on appearance are uncalled for.

However of the recent cases the offences that these ladies committed are the most severe and the greatest health risk by several orders of magnitude, and this is the main reason they have drawn so much fire. Morseo as they have ended Queensland's run of not have community spread CV19 cases.

2/ Not knowing which others you are referring re the full brunt of the law, but most of the recent high profile cases have all been named and shamed. Two have been charged. The other was about to be charged, bur belatedly produced a medical certificate which allowed her to not wear a mask.
  • Eve Black. Named very quickly. Apprehended by police including breaking a window on her car so that police could speak with her and then charged with multiple offences. Has been issued with a summons and so will now appear in court.
  • Penguin lady has now been named. Deanece Ann Morrell, 59, of Penguin, was charged with failing to comply with the direction of an emergency management worker.
  • Bunnings Karen was named = Kerry Nash, 42 . I am not sure she was charged as evidently she did have a medical certificate after initially being arrested and taken to a police station which allowed her to not wear a mask. Her behaviour was still appalling though.


Kerry Nash, 42 shown below risking death while wearing a facemask while getting eyelash implants on June 12. Credit: Instagram
Quite amazing how it is now a health hazard for her to wear a mask now only 6 weeks later.

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1/ I agree that the comments on appearance are uncalled for.

2/ Not knowing which others you are referring re the full brunt of the law, but most of the recent high profile cases have all been named and shamed. Two have been charged. The other was about to be charged, bur belatedly produced a medical certificate which allowed her to not wear a mask.
  • Bunnings Karen - I am not sure she was charged as evidently she did have a medical certificate after initially being arrested and taken to a police station which allowed her to not wear a mask. Her behaviour was still appalling though.
The context of the conversation was Bunnings Karen, who I think was raised by the post to which I was responding

She could have been fined for being out of the home for not one of the four reasons, causing a nuisance/disturbance/or similar, her medical certificate could have been audited (including by a medical panel into the certifying doctor).

Don‘t forget the some have sought notoriety, others have not.

My personal feeling is that those seeking notoriety are worse because they are inciting others to do the same, which would make our public health more at risk. Yes fraud is also pretty bad.

There is the firm of lawyers getting their staff to come to work and creating a cluster.

There are plenty of border jumpers across different borders that have not - just today I think one was hiding in a truck trying to cross Qld border without permit/pass after being in Vic for a few weeks.

There are likely to be a lot unreported with lying on border passes, not wearing masks, etc.
 
Should have gone to Specspavers. 😉

QLD authorities have made it clear how reckless the behaviour was, along with lying and duplicity, and endangering the lives of others.

Yes, the courts will sort out criminal behaviour in the fullness of time.

Pending moderation, we are all free to express opinions on this forum. And we accept that there will be differing views.

And not surprisingly, they are probably seen as a disgrace to their community. I sympathise with their families for what they have put them through, but not with the girls, due to their behaviour.

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I agree we are all free to express opinions. Personally I'm fine with comments on behaviour, however I do feel comments on their appearance is crossing an invisible line. My measure of what is acceptable behaviour is what would I say to their faces. I would not hesitate to ask them what they were thinking, however not for a moment would I think it appropriate to tell them they look like drag queens or I think they are unattractive. I'm sure if a photo of me in my swimsuit was posted online people would have a field day talking about the negative aspects of my body and I certainly would not enjoy that. These young ladies have probably ruined any future prospects they had career wise and are going to have to carry around that stigma for a long time. I'm not for a moment forgetting what the consequences of their actions are. As for the critiques of their "look" I would imagine many on this board, including myself, skew older so are probably of the blue eye shadow and perm set, so our connection of what is considered fashionable today is probably somewhat tenuous.

As for the Karens, I'm choosing not to read anything about them, not clicking on links to their whining. Every click is like oxygen to a suffocating wannabe influencer. Ignoring them is the best thing we can do as these people seem to enjoy the notoriety of going viral.
 
Although, if it is based upon the Local Government Area of Brisbane, then Brisbane Airport is well within that boundary.
Not sure if this will help but Brisbane airport is on Commonwealth land and might not belong to the LGA. Reason why the Woolies precint can be open 24 hours at the airport it is not subject to local laws.
 
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So sorry for your sister.

How long was your sister planning to go? Can she afford the cost and time for quarantine?

She might try to apply for an exemption.

edit: if your sister tries for an exemption I would put in as a relevant fact about the travel complications and that she is effectively mid-transit when the hotspot was declared.

i guess in mitigation, did she wear a mask from airport to hotel and back? What will she plan to do (eg not leave daughter house? Wear mask for 14 days?) would submit to any enquires mandatory testing during the 14 days?


Thanks @HappyFlyerFamily , all good information/questions. At this point I don’t know what she will do - so little time to make decisions. I will report back when I hear.
 
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