Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

[SydneySwan]

I see the 2 ABC / Fin Review journos catching a Murrays bus after flying from Beijing. I thought they would go into quarantine in Sydney.

I think they are.

 

[Himeno]

I see the 2 ABC / Fin Review journos catching a Murrays bus after flying from Beijing. I thought they would go into quarantine in Sydney.

Murrays might be based in Canberra and have almost 200 coaches, but they only have 4 regular routes while having depots in 6 cities, some of which are not serviced by their normal routes.
Most of Murrays coaches are used for charter operations.
NSW is likely chartering their services to transport people between the airport and the quarantine hotels.

 

[jakeseven7]

I’m not sure that endorsement helps with the perception that Vic’s roadmap is too conservative when Australia is going for suppression and not elimination, albeit zero community (unknown source) transmission

Agreed, I’m not sure any endorsement from NZ to any state in AU means anything at all, their strategy of elimination failed. Period. Because their goal was and is unachievable. They, like the rest of us need to work out how to function and operate alongside the virus.

 

[nutwood]

Issue remains that whilst NSW might be the gold standard for suppression, most other States are pursuing elimination. They don't want to compete in the suppression stakes and this is strongly supported by the voters. There does not appear to be any solution to this quandry.

 

[jakeseven7]

Issue remains that whilst NSW might be the gold standard for suppression, most other States are pursuing elimination. They don't want to compete in the suppression stakes and this is strongly supported by the voters. There does not appear to be any solution to this quandry.

Well its too late mate for NSW, QLD and VIC to pursue elimination and perhaps even the ACT which can’t remain an island within NSW really. There could even be a travel bubble with the eastern seaboard and NZ according to Scomo.

Even if these powerhouse states moved on together it would go a long way to getting us moving again, and once job keeper shrivels up and job seeker supplements disappear the other states are going to be in a very very tricky situation.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Agreed, I’m not sure any endorsement from NZ to any state in AU means anything at all, their strategy of elimination failed. Period. Because their goal was and is unachievable. They, like the rest of us need to work out how to function and operate alongside the virus.

Yes, but not *today*.

Vaccines are in final stages of testing. Treatments and cures are being developed. The virus is becoming less virulent. Jobkeeper and seeker are in place. Jobs are on their way back - more than half have been reinstated.

There is no need to open things up from midnight tonight.

Aiming for elimination is going to be better for the economy in the long term. Wanting to open tomorrow might benefit in the short term... a couple of weeks maybe, and then we head down the path of the UK, Italy, Spain and the USA... thousands of cases in their second or third wave.

 

[andye]

Yes, but not *today*.

Vaccines are in final stages of testing. Treatments and cures are being developed. The virus is becoming less virulent. Jobkeeper and seeker are in place. Jobs are on their way back - more than half have been reinstated.

There is no need to open things up from midnight tonight.

Aiming for elimination is going to be better for the economy in the long term. Wanting to open tomorrow might benefit in the short term... a couple of weeks maybe, and then we head down the path of the UK, Italy, Spain and the USA... thousands of cases in their second or third wave.

Its doing kind of OK in NSW. Sure its a long way from normal, and there are regular cases. But if there is a case in a gym (say), that gym gets closed but the other 99% stay open. Some industries are not able to function but I don't think imposing a period of harsh lockdown would change that.

 

[antycbr]

Yes, but not *today*.

Vaccines are in final stages of testing. Treatments and cures are being developed. The virus is becoming less virulent. Jobkeeper and seeker are in place. Jobs are on their way back - more than half have been reinstated.

There is no need to open things up from midnight tonight.

Aiming for elimination is going to be better for the economy in the long term. Wanting to open tomorrow might benefit in the short term... a couple of weeks maybe, and then we head down the path of the UK, Italy, Spain and the USA... thousands of cases in their second or third wave.

Stage 3 Trials does not equal walking to the pharmac_ and getting a shot. There is a hell of a long way before we have the supply chain sorted for any vaccine despite the marketing from scomo.

Despite the repeated insistence of the usual suspects people are starting to switch off to Covid. Watch this effect increase as we head into summer.

My thinking is that scomo will taper Jobkeeper and Jobseeker. To do this he needs to do nothing at all as it actually requires legislation to extend it. If states wish to top it up so be it. He got mugged by the premiers and that won’t happen again. Expect a huge infrastructure spend but no income support in the budget.

At least the Feds will actually do a budget unlike Queensland and the prep for the budget is focussing the federal governments mind right now.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Stage 3 Trials does not equal walking to the pharmac_ and getting a shot. There is a hell of a long way before we have the supply chain sorted for any vaccine despite the marketing from scomo.

Agree, But once we know the outcome of stage 3 trials we can plan accordingly.

 

[jakeseven7]

My thinking is that scomo will taper Jobkeeper and Jobseeker. To do this he needs to do nothing at all as it actually requires legislation to extend it. If states wish to top it up so be it. He got mugged by the premiers and that won’t happen again. Expect a huge infrastructure spend but no income support in the budget.

At least the Feds will actually do a budget unlike Queensland and the prep for the budget is focussing the federal governments mind right now.

Yes I agree the state premiers can kiss goodbye to Jobkeeper / seeker in March. For sure. It will be replaced with direct investment, tax breaks, capex incentives to business etc etc. But the welfare component will evaporate and the states will be forced to react.

I mean seriously look what the Tasmanian premier is desperately doing because of the border closures, paying the state to go on holiday. Economists have crunched the numbers according to ABC radio QLD this am and worked out it would be like giving a dehydrated elephant a thimble of Gatorade and expect it to walk away healed!! It’s utter madness but who cares right because the rest of the country is lining their pockets.

It’s devastating and they are being forced to do something quickly to try and save themselves due to the border closures, I get the motivating emotion behind it - but really? Is this how we do things now? No thought, proper risk management, fiscal oversight. It’s a bizarre new world...

 

[Pushka]

Agree, But once we know the outcome of stage 3 trials we can plan accordingly.

And I think the data on that is coming through to the researchers but not in a format that is ready for scientific scrutiny and massive production. I have my

 

[jakeseven7]

And I think the data on that is coming through to the researchers but not in a format that is ready for scientific scrutiny and massive production. I have my

They are going to be pumping these vaccines into people arms regardless of their effectiveness trust me, no need to worry. They are going to start producing before the trials that’s how much they don’t care about the results.

If it’s 20% effective - perfect! Amazing! You watch the spin machines come out into hyperdrive selling this thing

 

[james4321]

They are going to be pumping these vaccines into people arms regardless of their effectiveness trust me, no need to worry. They are going to start producing before the trials that’s how much they don’t care about the results.

If it’s 20% effective - perfect! Amazing! You watch the spin machines come out into hyperdrive selling this thing

"They" ? Who are "They"?

 

[Pushka]

Victoria up a little again today I heard. 76 new cases and 11 deaths. And Victoria's contact tracing system being reviewed and hopefully significantly improved.

 

[blackcat20]

Victoria up a little again today I heard. 76 new cases and 11 deaths. And Victoria's contact tracing system being reviewed and hopefully significantly improved.

Numbers are often up on a Wednesday with more people getting tested after the weekend. Its disappointing to see a higher number but not unusual.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

Australia’s vaccine.....oh dear

Huge setback for Australia’s vaccine hopes

The coronavirus vaccine Australia has invested in has been dealt a major setback after researchers uncovered a suspected serious adverse reaction in a trial participant.

www.news.com.au

 

[Pushka]

Australia’s vaccine.....oh dear

Huge setback for Australia’s vaccine hopes

The coronavirus vaccine Australia has invested in has been dealt a major setback after researchers uncovered a suspected serious adverse reaction in a trial participant.

www.news.com.au

Lets hope it is just a case of someone becoming unwell from another random issue. I did read that it could potentially impact other vaccines in development as well. I guess "reactions" can be from vaccine related issues as well, eg such as allergies from those developed from eggs etc. Well, I am hoping.

 

[SydneySwan]

Australia’s vaccine.....oh dear

Huge setback for Australia’s vaccine hopes

The coronavirus vaccine Australia has invested in has been dealt a major setback after researchers uncovered a suspected serious adverse reaction in a trial participant.

www.news.com.au

Ah well. I expect Trump will be giving Putin a call now to get supplies before the US election. I am sure the Russian trials won't be disclosing any problems.

 

[TomVexille]

Ah well. I expect Trump will be giving Putin a call now to get supplies before the US election. I am sure the Russian trials won't be disclosing any problems.

What trials?

 

[SydneySwan]

What trials?

Good point. How silly of me.