Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

[drron]

Given that COVID may not be the cause of death then many factors come into play. And no one leaves Aged Care unless they have passed. The death rates of aged have declined with COVID.

I do understand where you are coming from Pushka.residential Aged Care is what everyone regards as a nursing home.Retirement villages are not the same thing neither is repite or short term care.It is a total red herring to suggest all can have Covid clusters.but of course there are covid clusters in abbatoirs,prisons and hotels etc but that doesn't make them residential aged care facilities.

However there are instances where people can leave aged care.First if there is a wrong diagnosis.I can remember at least 2 that i have treated and they got back to living with family-sad as their homes had been sold to get in.
Then there are others that do just walk out from Aged care Residential facilities.But then they end up as frequent flyers in the hospital system.But really they are the exceptions to prove the rule.

 

[dajop]

is this a correct statement from the Inquiry or media rewrite?
Hotel quarantine inquiry hears Daniel Andrews’ government ‘responsible for deaths of 768 people and 18,000 infections ’

I guess this is collectively correct. And in line with what I suggested all along - that the adversarial legal system is all about finding blame (not root causes).

But it also ignores individual responsibility and accountability.

If people weren't doing things they weren't supposed to, perhaps a lot less people would have passed.

If for profit aged care homes actually implemented protocols then maybe less people would have passed.

If aged care staff didn't throw parties at the homes with each other when they weren't supposed to, perhaps less people would have passed.

 

[jakeseven7]

I'm seeing similar quotes:
"Counsel assisting Ben Ihle tells hotel quarantine inquiry it can “comfortably find” Victorian Government scheme IS responsible for - 768 deaths - 18,000 infections @newscomauHQ"

Yea wow, we all could have saved $3m and months of time and got the same answer. Big news . Same for pretty much every government around the world.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

I guess this is collectively correct. And in line with what I suggested all along - that the adversarial legal system is all about finding blame (not root causes).

But it also ignores individual responsibility and accountability.

If people weren't doing things they weren't supposed to, perhaps a lot less people would have passed.

If for profit aged care homes actually implemented protocols then maybe less people would have passed.

If aged care staff didn't throw parties at the homes with each other when they weren't supposed to, perhaps less people would have passed.

Yes this inquiry seems to have totally missed the mark, and been too focussed on the security guards rather that why and how hotel quarantine failed so badly. We all know that it failed badly. That was a given.

I noted:

Earlier today, the inquiry heard Victoria Police's preference for private security to be used in the program contributed to a "creeping assumption" among authorities that the decision had been made.​

​

Counsel assisting the inquiry, Rachel Ellyard, said this morning it was "astonishing" that not one senior member of the Victorian Government could determine where the decision originated.​

This seems to sum up the whole Victorian Hotel Quarantine as it existed. ie That no one person, or organisation was running it. That the inquiry has yet to flesh this out I also find quite amazing.

If no one was captaining the ship, it is no wonder that it founded. Rather than asking who appointed the security guards, why was the question not asked on why was no one person/organisation appointed to run hotel quarantine?

 

[dajop]

This seems to sum up the whole Victorian Hotel Quarantine as it existed. ie That no one person, or organisation was running it. That the inquiry has yet to flesh this out I also find quite amazing.

Maybe they will get there, when they hand down their final report. I'm not sure if it's the inquiry that is justfocussing on private security, or that's just the bit that the media is focussed on and reporting on. No doubt until the findings are handed down, the media will run with the narrative that best suits their own interests.

 

[jakeseven7]

WA records more new covid cases than Victoria


Western Australia's health department has confirmed a further eight cases of COVID-19 among the crew the Patricia Oldendor cargo ship.

The ABC's Casey Briggs pointed out WA's new infections mean it's the first day since June 6 that another state has reported more infections than Victoria (which today recorded just five).

All eight new cases are in hotel quarantine, bringing the total number of infections associated with the ship, which is anchored off Port Hedland, to 17.

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www.news.com.au

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Breakown for Victorian Care and Non-care Cases

COVID Live - Aged Care Healthcare

docs.google.com

 

[lovetravellingoz]

So no unknown cases today and all 5 cases are from Aged Care or Health Services. Also all 5 were single cases.

Salient content from today's Vic DHHS Report:
My bolding

Media release
28 September 2020

Victoria has recorded five new cases of coronavirus since yesterday, with the total number of cases now at 20,149.
The overall total has increased by four due to one case being reclassified.

This is the lowest number of new cases since June 12, when we reported four cases in the past 24-hour period.

All of today’s five cases are linked to outbreaks or complex cases. Three are linked to aged care (Kalyna Aged Care Facility in Delahey, Opal Hobsons Bay and Embracia Moonee Valley) and two linked to health services.

Of today’s five new cases, there are single cases in Brimbank, Casey, Glen Eira, Moonee Valley and Wyndham.

Department of Health and Human Services Victoria | Coronavirus update for Victoria - 28 September 2020

Victoria has recorded five new cases of coronavirus since yesterday, with the total number of cases now at 20,149.

www.dhhs.vic.gov.au

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

WA records more new covid cases than Victoria


Western Australia's health department has confirmed a further eight cases of COVID-19 among the crew the Patricia Oldendor cargo ship.

The ABC's Casey Briggs pointed out WA's new infections mean it's the first day since June 6 that another state has reported more infections than Victoria (which today recorded just five).

All eight new cases are in hotel quarantine, bringing the total number of infections associated with the ship, which is anchored off Port Hedland, to 17.

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www.news.com.au

We need to wait to tomorrow to see if WA has a worse number than Vic.

Don’t count chickens too early (even though I counted Vic/Melb no longer being a hotspot at least a day early lol)

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

Surprise, surprise. WA reports no new cases today, because the other results of the ship still not known.

So it looks like Australia will be 5 new cases today. Technically waiting for NT, Tas and SA.

With remaining States/Territories reporting no new cases, Australia got to 5 new cases.

But clearly in at least a couple of parts of Australia, it doesn't feel like a low number right now...... ❤ ❤ ❤

 

[Pushka]

We need to wait to tomorrow to see if WA has a worse number than Vic.

Don’t count chickens too early (even though I counted Vic/Melb no longer being a hotspot at least a day early lol)

It doesn’t count surely when it really is nothing to do with WA. Clutching at straws.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

NSW mystery case watch.

Still no change over the past 48 hours:

- 1 in the last 14 days
- 2 in the period 15-28 days
- 28 older than 28 days and since Crossroads emerged

NSW mystery case watch.

Still no change ...

- 1 in the last 14 days
- 2 in the period 15-28 days
- 28 older than 28 days and since Crossroads emerged

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

It doesn’t count surely when it really is nothing to do with WA. Clutching at straws.

Under whatever rules, WA counted some yesterday, so I’m guessing they will be counted tomorrow. I think ozduck was saying they eventually need to come onshore, once they figured out minimal crew requirements.

 

[p--and--t]

I guess this is collectively correct. And in line with what I suggested all along - that the adversarial legal system is all about finding blame (not root causes).

But it also ignores individual responsibility and accountability.

If people weren't doing things they weren't supposed to, perhaps a lot less people would have passed.

If for profit aged care homes actually implemented protocols then maybe less people would have passed.

If aged care staff didn't throw parties at the homes with each other when they weren't supposed to, perhaps less people would have passed.

There’s a bit of a problem with that. There have been less deaths than usual. Its just the deaths are being atributed to covid and in other years to the actual cause. But of course that won’t sell papers.

 

[Flashback]

Under whatever rules, WA counted some yesterday, so I’m guessing they will be counted tomorrow. I think ozduck was saying they eventually need to come onshore, once they figured out minimal crew requirements.

Send them around the country to VIC

 

[OZDUCK]

Under whatever rules, WA counted some yesterday, so I’m guessing they will be counted tomorrow. I think ozduck was saying they eventually need to come onshore, once they figured out minimal crew requirements.

They have some new crew waiting in hotel quarantine on Perth and are also trying to round up enough crew to keep the vessel operating while all the current crew go into quarantine in Port Hedland. The ship is being cleaned.

Luckily none of the current crew require hospitalization so far.

 

[Flying mermaid]

Under whatever rules, WA counted some yesterday, so I’m guessing they will be counted tomorrow. I think ozduck was saying they eventually need to come onshore, once they figured out minimal crew requirements.

The 8 new cases are from crew members who came ashore on Friday and went into hotel quarantine in Port Hedland. Poor people - sounds like they are all coming down with it.

 

[Princess Fiona]

I guess this is collectively correct. And in line with what I suggested all along - that the adversarial legal system is all about finding blame (not root causes).

But it also ignores individual responsibility and accountability.

If people weren't doing things they weren't supposed to, perhaps a lot less people would have passed.

If for profit aged care homes actually implemented protocols then maybe less people would have passed.

If aged care staff didn't throw parties at the homes with each other when they weren't supposed to, perhaps less people would have passed.

Yes this inquiry seems to have totally missed the mark, and been too focussed on the security guards rather that why and how hotel quarantine failed so badly. We all know that it failed badly. That was a given.

I noted:

Earlier today, the inquiry heard Victoria Police's preference for private security to be used in the program contributed to a "creeping assumption" among authorities that the decision had been made.​

​

Counsel assisting the inquiry, Rachel Ellyard, said this morning it was "astonishing" that not one senior member of the Victorian Government could determine where the decision originated.​

This seems to sum up the whole Victorian Hotel Quarantine as it existed. ie That no one person, or organisation was running it. That the inquiry has yet to flesh this out I also find quite amazing.

If no one was captaining the ship, it is no wonder that it founded. Rather than asking who appointed the security guards, why was the question not asked on why was no one person/organisation appointed to run hotel quarantine?

Maybe they will get there, when they hand down their final report. I'm not sure if it's the inquiry that is justfocussing on private security, or that's just the bit that the media is focussed on and reporting on. No doubt until the findings are handed down, the media will run with the narrative that best suits their own interests.

There is a massive elephant in the room.
Why did the DHHS contract tracing fail to contain the breaches in hotel quarantine cross infection ?
Focusing on the he said / she said of the decision and operations of private security firms is absolutely ignoring the role that DHHS public health had in containing the spread of these breaches to aged care facilities and elsewhere.
My hope is that the rest of the issues aren’t swept under the carpet and blamed on the former health minister approving private security. It’s at best naive and at worst a diversion.

 

[dajop]

Why did the DHHS contract tracing fail to contain the breaches in hotel quarantine cross infection ?

To draw a parallel, for example several major bushfires started in intense conditions through vegetation being too close to privatised power supply lines. In one state this happens, but it is well managed by the Fire and Emergency Response service, and half a dozen homes are destroyed and 5,000 Ha. Yet in another fire and emergency response are poorly managed and 1000 homes are destroyed and 500,000 Ha.

Do we have an intense focus on "who made the decision to privatise the power lines"? No, the focus is the regulation of the privatised power companies, and their vegetation management programs, and a even bigger focus on how emergency response was managed (how can it be done effectively to prevent it escalating completely out of control).

 

[oz_mark]

There is a massive elephant in the room.
Why did the DHHS contract tracing fail to contain the breaches in hotel quarantine cross infection ?
Focusing on the he said / she said of the decision and operations of private security firms is absolutely ignoring the role that DHHS public health had in containing the spread of these breaches to aged care facilities and elsewhere.
My hope is that the rest of the issues aren’t swept under the carpet and blamed on the former health minister approving private security. It’s at best naive and at worst a diversion.

Wasn't there some previous discussion on the state of contact tracing in Victoria? All quite manual

NSW has a superior set up.