Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

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The SA and Victorian border not being policed by active blocks but rather there will be a random checking of permits.

Also heard that the last patient in Victoria has now been released. Currently SA has a 30ish person in hospital from the original cluster but of course we don't know the circumstances and vulnerabilities.

Our committee (who makes decisions as necessary and not monthly) is meeting today. I am hoping Dec 1 is a much brighter green. I think it wise for the existing blocks to remain currently (the main one being family group size, pub restrictions and strong recommendations for masks in public) until we know the virus didn't get into the wider community.
 
Virgin Australia were kind enough to drop Victorians off their email list while we weren't able to travel. But I'm sick of seeing ads for NZ on the TV given they wont allow anyone in (without quarantine).
There was some cruising ads on Brisbane radio tied to a radio competition. You guessed it the prize was cruuses. 97.3 was the radio station
 
NSW Premier confirms on ABC News Breakfast that the office of the QLD Premier has informed her office that there will be a border announcement this afternoon on NSW, VIC and SA borders from QLD.

By QLD’s ‘known’ rules:

- NSW has passed 28 days no mystery cases yesterday*
- VIC hopefully hopefully will pass 28 days no cases at all on Saturday
- SA has not had any mystery cases

So by our own rules our borders should:

- All of NSW should open immediately*
- All of SA should open immediately
- VIC should hopefully hopefully open from Sat


*QLD CHO invented a 48h linking rule that she could use against NSW, which could set them back approx 2 more weeks
Greater Sydney has passed the 28 days rule, Wingecarribe LGA has not, but is open to Queensland, so they would need to have some way of explaining that if they rely on the linking "rule"
 
I think anyone referring negatively to the Qld CHO is now being counter-productive. She has backed herself into a corner with her rules and monthly meetings. Someone close to her has to give her a pathway to change strategy and for her to save face. It is simple emotional intelligence that is now required.

I actually don't think anyone is directly referring to the QLD CHO in a manner that is uncalled for apart from those furious QLD residents which seems to be quite localised and at least not in the media anymore...

There have been lots of very reasonable calls for the QLD CHO to share their evidence based approach, methodology and be transparent about their border rules which is perfectly justified.

The main problem is that the key method of communication and sharing is simply a stilted, short and often painfully delivered speech at a media conference; 'grenade lob' style, then a quick run and hide for a week with only short written statements after the fact to avoid questioning.

Compare and contrast this approach that the SA CHO, the VIC CHO take who front up and in detail explain their rationale, take detailed questions, respond both verbally and post event with more information and communicate actively in between granting interviews That is probably what is missing up here. It is really transparent in those states.

But I agree with you, she needs a path (retirement - has been on the cards before? promotion? transfer?) out of the mess that has been created.... And there are rumours up here there is a falling out now with the QLD Premier as well which is not a good sign.

Nothing about SA?

QLD are doing a full border announcement this today / this afternoon to announce opening dates for NSW (Greater Syd), VIC and SA.

Greater Sydney has passed the 28 days rule, Wingecarribe LGA has not, but is open to Queensland, so they would need to have some way of explaining that if they rely on the linking "rule"

Yes you are correct, apologies have updated the post to Greater Sydney.
 
Greater Sydney has passed the 28 days rule, Wingecarribe LGA has not, but is open to Queensland, so they would need to have some way of explaining that if they rely on the linking "rule"

But since the Moss Vale Caes (Wingecarribee) have been linked to Liverpool cluster they are no longer considered mystery cases, so whilst Wingecarribee hasnt had 28 days since a case, it hasnt got any mystery cases.

Of course this has been the joke for the last 2 and bit weeks - Wingercarribee allowed to go to Qld whilst Greater Sydney cannot - wven though 80% of the LGAs in the Greater Sydney Hotspot as definied by Qld havent had any cases at all in months, and some not since March/April. Hotspot should only been South West and Western Sydney LGAs and they dont even qualify anymore.
 
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As already mentioned Victoria's last CV19 hospital patient was discharged yesterday, and as they were also our last active case that also saw active cases drop to zero.

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The last COVID-19 patient in a Victorian hospital has been discharged, bringing Victoria closer to officially eliminating the virus.

The Department of Health and Human Services has confirmed the man left Monash Medical Centre yesterday.

The man's wife, who had also been hospitalised with the virus, was discharged last week.





The man and his wife - hospitalised since November 1 - were the last two remaining active cases in the state until the woman in her 80s was discharged from hospital on Thursday.

The couple both fell ill with the disease in early October, and have pulled through after a serious battle with the virus, Dr Stuart said.
"They both had a stormy course really.. [but] they made it through and did really well," she said.

Monash Health was able to secure an exemption from state authorities to allow the couple's daughter to visit them in hospital during the darker stages of their battle with the virus.

"I think that emotional support makes a difference [to recovery]," Dr Stuart said.

"The wife was discharged last week and the gentleman was discharged last night so they could go home and be together and start living a normal life."

The treating team from Monash Health had also treated the state's first confirmed case of the virus.
Data from the Department of Health and Human Services shows that March 1 was the last time there were no active cases in Victoria.



I know with the major hospital that my daughter works at that she is relieved that after having up to 5 Covid Wards that they have now had for several weeks no Covid Wards as they have now reverted to normal operations (Wards get reconfigured all the time to respond to the needs of the day. Her hospital was fortunate to have been the major hospital with probably the lowest number of staff who tested positive.

In her case her ward is back to primarily being a Respiratory and Infectious Diseases (Yes there are non-Covid diseases such as TB, ones that attack the heart etc) Ward. However Covid still provides challenges to those at the hospital primarily as there are still restrictions on relatives visiting. And as in her ward patients die most weeks, this is a particular problem.

Generally in the hospital CV19 protocols, while still very much present, are now not as strict. ie Generally surgical masks now worn rather than N95's and higher, special PPE clothing not worn. However other diseases, and or medical treatments, still as they always have require a higher level of PPE.

My niece, a nurse at a different hospital, who had one cluster of 90 is also much happier. Especially as she has two very young children herself. At the height of that outbreak she never avoided a shift, but yes the fear did play on her mind.

Friends who work at other hospitals here in Melbourne are all equally happy at present.
 
Queensland Border Announcement:

After the Premier met with Dr Young and others, NSW allowed in from 1st Dec.


Announcement on Vic will be tomorrow and should also be 1 Dec.
 
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Queensland Border Announcement:

After the Premier met with Dr Young and others, NSW allowed in from 1st Dec.


Announcement on Vic will be tomorrow and should also be 1 Dec.
But I thought their meeting was next week and that was it?

Or are we making it up as we go along, again?
 
A couple of the blokes involved in “Pizza gate” have lawyered up and aren’t taking questions from SAPOL. Also some talk that the infamous Spanish Pizza man who worked at the Stamford has been caught on CCTV at Peppers. Will be interesting if there is any truth to it
 
Annastacia Palaszczuk confirms Queensland borders will open to all of NSW and VIC from December 1

South Australia will be reviewed next week.


But I thought their meeting was next week and that was it?

Or are we making it up as we go along, again?

Yes we make things up on the run sorry it is even more frustrating for us up here trust me, but at least FOR ONCE it is good news.

VIC: Dec 1 (as long as no mystery cases today/tomorrow)
NSW: Dec 1
SA: Decided at end of week
 
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But what NSW wants to know is if there is 1 case will we see the borders slammed shut again rather than trusting it to be traced and contained? What is the tolerance/criteria that Qld (and WA, Tas, SA and NT) are applying? You cant expect people to book and lose out again, have they now signed up to the federal hotspot definition?
 
VIC: Dec 1 (as long as no mystery cases today/tomorrow)
NSW: Dec 1
SA: Decided at end of week
So for arguments sake a mystery case in Melbourne on friday wont change things? And opening to Sydney has no conditions?

No time today yet to read news feeds, only AFF threads lol
 
But I thought their meeting was next week and that was it?

Or are we making it up as we go along, again?


I think that there was a lot of lobbying going on about the silly requirement that Mystery Cases had to classified within 48 hrs.

The NSW last mystery case was linked after 48 hrs. So keeping a border closed due to a mystery case that was not really a mystery case was non-sensical.


In addition Victoria's last true mystery case was on 16th Oct. The two mystery cases of the 25th and 30th October are cases with very low levels of virus detected, where the persons were previously positive, were not considered to be contagious (though were treated as if they were contagious as an abundance of caution) but where they could not categorically say that it was not a re-infection.

It is a bit of a Catch 22 with the virus detected either being not able to grow a live virus so that genomic sequencing cannot link it to the swabs taken at the time of their first infection , or that the original swabs also could not grow a virus. And so you have two people considered to not be contagious, but who get recorded as mystery cases.

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And opening to Sydney has no conditions?

Im sure it does, just they are never transparent about what the rules are. You can bet if we get so much as a sungle case between now and Dec 1 (or anytime afterwards) we wil be locked out immediately - despite the fact NSW has demonstraterd over and over again the ability to contain outbreaks and not let them get out of control and overwhelm our contract tracers or health system.
 
So for arguments sake a mystery case in Melbourne on friday wont change things? And opening to Sydney has no conditions?

No time today yet to read news feeds, only AFF threads lol

By our (QLD's) published rules, a mystery case in ANY state triggers a full border closure and the border clock reset for another 28 days.

But honestly, one case really should not trigger a whole of state shut down from anyone.... I think you will find considerable pressure to resist that. But who knows.

It won't be too long before this theory is tested I'm sure, because the longer everyone goes without cases, the case that does pop up will be a mystery case, more than likely. Especially in Sydney...

But you will also note that QLD allowed NSW to break the 48 hour linking rule.... so at least that is positive that QLD is becoming even SLIGHTLY more flexible....
 
In case you missed it Glady confirmed this morning no local cases for NSW again today - she didnt comment on overseas arrivals though, that will be out shortly.
 
By our (QLD's) published rules, a mystery case in ANY state triggers a full border closure and the border clock reset for another 28 days.

But honestly, one case really should not trigger a whole of state shut down from anyone.... I think you will find considerable pressure to resist that. But who knows.

I wonder how many will plan to travel up to Queensland from the southern states given things can change at a moments notice

You can bet no one is planning on a holiday to WA (wonder what sort of comments the honourable premier of Westralia will make today)

That one single case of COVID-19 can derail the entire nation is nothing short of a disgrace. Our system of government is meant to encourage the art of compromise, but clearly state politicians have no inclination to balance advice from health with other priorities. Shame.
 
You can bet no one is planning on a holiday to WA (wonder what sort of pressure the honourable premier of Westralia will say today)

That one single case of COVID-19 can derail the entire nation is nothing short of a disgrace. Our system of government is meant to encourage the art of compromise, but clearly state politicians have no inclination to balance advice from health with other priorities. Shame.

WA will have to announce shortly because technically they should be opening to NSW and VIC now based on their rules too.

I haven't seen any leaks about when they will be fronting the media.... (Less people care about WA, its all been about QLD)
 
By our (QLD's) published rules, a mystery case in ANY state triggers a full border closure and the border clock reset for another 28 days.

Well by their own rules they need to wait 48 hours to enable linking before slamming the borders shut.

Especially in Sydney...

Sydney is no more likely to have a qurantine breach (the way the virus is getting into the community) than any other state that is accepting overseas arrivals. Each week SYD takes in more returning australians than all the other states combined, NSW is doing the heavy lifting whilst being open to all.

Vic are very slow to resume taking international arrivals and SA should have reversed their decision as soon as it was apparent that they didnt have a super spreading event on their hands.

Imagine if NSW had stopped taking international arrivals when the crossroads happened - thousands and thousands of Australians more would still be trying to get home.

This persistent theory that Sydney people are more likley to spread Covid than other states and territories is unfounded. Without a second lockdown NSW kept infectins low, Victoria is only jurisidction to date where spread was rampant.

QLD allowed NSW to break the 48 hour linking rule.

Not really, as they havent opened borders early (and still have the inconsistency of being open to Wingecarribee despite it being the last case to be linked). Wht wasnt Wingecarribee locked out after 48 hours? Being regional doenst give you special powers that stop spread.
 
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