Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

[jakeseven7]

And when is WA's press conference today do we think....?

 

[andye]

Speaking as someone who regularly reviews death certificates, they are frequently less exact than would expect. Conversely precision doesn't always tell the whole story

For instance, in the case of someone bedbound with advanced stomach cancer, who develops a chest infection in their last days, one could write:
1a Metastatic gastric cancer
Or
1a Brochopneumonia
1b Metastatic gastric cancer
Or
1a Bronchopneumonia
2 Metastatic gastric cancer

I'd argue that the second is most precise but the first tells the big picture just as well. The third would be a better explanation for someone who is quite mobile and functional (despite the cancer) when they developed the chest infection.

In the case of Covid, although the majority of deaths have a comorbidity, it nearly always has shortened their life so reasonable to include on the death cert (except where it has no bearing on the death e.g car crash).

 

[Pushka]

Zero new cases in SA today. This week should tell if there is any impact from the Covidiot whose reason was "he didn't understand". He was told to have a test at the first opportunity which he did and which was negative, then another one at Day 12, which he did. But he was already symptomatic by then and the days prior is when he did his jaunt. On just one day. He is being praised for being tested on Day 12 but his failure to quarantine is being passed off as not understanding the rules.

 

[RooFlyer]

Re death certificates, 'seasonal flu' has long been a significant 'killer'. I guess the same arguments re 'cause of death' could be made, or does the fact that COVID is a notifiable disease change something?

Just to be clear, I'm not trying to make any particular point. Just curious.

 

[jase05]

Zero new cases in SA today. This week should tell if there is any impact from the Covidiot whose reason was "he didn't understand". He was told to have a test at the first opportunity which he did and which was negative, then another one at Day 12, which he did. But he was already symptomatic by then and the days prior is when he did his jaunt. On just one day. He is being praised for being tested on Day 12 but his failure to quarantine is being passed off as not understanding the rules.

SA Health have done a complete about face and just said he wasn’t required to quarantine.
Some serious egg on their faces and no wonder Spurrier was a no show she is probably writing up her resignation letter

 

[Lynda2475]

Do we know if the SA case was wearing a mask when he was out and about whilst positive?

Maybe it needs to be mandatory for anyone identified as a casual contact to wear a mask for 14 days from beign notified, if those people arent willing to stay home for the greater good,

 

[jakeseven7]

SA Health have done a complete about face and just said he wasn’t required to quarantine.
Some serious egg on their faces and no wonder Spurrier was a no show she is probably writing up her resignation letter

It is getting very very messy this outbreak... that is for sure.

This is what happens when states aren't ready. I'm sure we would see the same in WA/QLD/TAS etc....

 

[Pushka]

SA Health have done a complete about face and just said he wasn’t required to quarantine.
Some serious egg on their faces and no wonder Spurrier was a no show she is probably writing up her resignation letter

All they are doing is confusing the heck out of everyone now. They did state he had to have a test on day 1 and 12. So it was ok for him to be out and about in between?

 

[I love to travel]

And when is WA's press conference today do we think....?

And Qks meant to be making statement re SA border too.

 

[jakeseven7]

And Qks meant to be making statement re SA border too.

They just did.

Leaving it shut for another week, reviewing in a weeks time.

Fingers crossed for SA...

 

[Pushka]

They just did.

Leaving it shut for another week, reviewing in a weeks time.

Fingers crossed for SA...

Thats wise. A week will make or break.

 

[N860CR]

They just did.

Leaving it shut for another week, reviewing in a weeks time.

Fingers crossed for SA...

Shut for another week? But, but week... month... end of month.... end of week.... something isn’t right!

 

[Pushka]

Shut for another week? But, but week... month... end of month.... end of week.... something isn’t right!

Maybe the difference being it was open to SA for months, not all that long ago?

 

[N860CR]

Maybe the difference being it was open to SA for months, not all that long ago?

Ah thanks, I missed that. So if the state was open not all that long ago they can meet weekly, but otherwise they meet monthly. Got it.

 

[Lynda2475]

But, but week... month... end of month.... end of week.... something isn’t right!

Just proves that no science or consistency in Qld's decision making. Anna doesnt like Gladys, so can only make decisions once a month for NSW but different rules for everyone else (especially if you are a celebrity or footy player).

 

[Pushka]

Ah thanks, I missed that. So if the state was open not all that long ago they can meet weekly, but otherwise they meet monthly. Got it.

Maybe? Just a thought bubble. Or maybe Anastasia likes Steven Marshall better?

 

[Lynda2475]

So if the state was open not all that long ago they can meet weekly, but otherwise they meet monthly. Got it.

Well no remember Anna opened to NSW for like 10 days before slamming the borders shut again and then leaving them closed for months. Even though no NSW resident brought Covid-19 into Qld during the small window the borders were open. All the community cases in Qld since the second wave started in Vic in July were brought in by returning Queenslanders.

Cant see how Anna can reopen to SA in under 28 days after making NSW and Vic wait that long without admitting the NSW closure was mostly political.

 

[jakeseven7]

So this logic makes no sense........ but WA now saying its NSW's fault that WA isn't open to VIC yet - because VIC has an open border with NSW and NSW has not met WA's requirement of 28 days no cases....that makes no sense at all!

TAS has had an open border with NSW for weeks now, as well as WA
ACT has had an open border with NSW for weeks now, as well as WA...... the list goes on...
and.... QLD opens to NSW tomorrow and has an open border with WA - what are they going to do? Shut to us as well??

Ridiculous.

I still think with all this dithering around WA will shortly announce an opening to VIC because this time, the WA CHO has already come out and said the border should be removed immedietly, so the WA government cannot hide behind "medical advice" anymore...

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'We'll remain cautious, careful': McGowan hints at WA - Victoria border announcement this week​

Premier Mark McGowan has delayed a decision to open WA to quarantine-free travel from Melbourne because of the risk posed by the open border between Victoria and New South Wales.

People separated by interstate borders are eagerly awaiting an announcement in time of Christmas after Melbourne – by definition – eliminated the virus with more than 28 days without community transmission of COVID-19.

Mr McGowan said he will make an announcement within days on the controlled border between WA and Victoria.

“We just want to make sure we’re completely sure that it’s the right time to change the border arrangement before we do so.”

West Australians and Victorians hoping to travel between the states had been expecting an announcement about the borders on Friday but were left disappointed, with Mr McGowan deferring it to the “coming week”.

“Advice has always been after the 28-day period you can make a decision. New South Wales is not at 28 days yet and they have an open border with Victoria.

'We'll remain cautious, careful': McGowan hints at WA border announcement this week

Premier Mark McGowan stays reluctant to open WA to quarantine-free travel from Melbourne because of the risk posed by the open border between Victoria and New South Wales.

www.watoday.com.au

 

[Lynda2475]

Well NSW should hit 28 days on Friday of this week. However, since we have open borders with SA who have another 26-27 days to get to 28, Im sure that will be the next excuse WA use.

Plus given WA closed border to SA in a matter of hours of a new case, one cant really have anu confidence to book travel there anyway unless you can afford the time to quarantine with possibly no notice (as happened to those on the fligth fprm ADL).

 

[andye]

Re death certificates, 'seasonal flu' has long been a significant 'killer'. I guess the same arguments re 'cause of death' could be made, or does the fact that COVID is a notifiable disease change something?

Just to be clear, I'm not trying to make any particular point. Just curious.

My personal experience is that prior to widespread testing to prove influenza, it was unlikely to appear on a death certificate (most would say pneumonia)
Now that there is rapid testing, it does commonly appear.
In the past the excess in deaths due to influenza would be inferred from an overall rise in rise in respiratory mortality during flu season rather than from death certificates.
Interestingly, I sense a trend to slightly more aggressive treatment of the frail elderly if one knows they have influenza. They often look really unwell, but if they get through the week, often bounce back to close to their previous level.