Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

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Yea we should really just stop them doing anything, we really should just be locking them in the same hotel as the people they care for and not letting them go out, volunteer, shop, see friends, anything really. Its the safest way

Just to be clear, Im not a fan of restricting HQ workers from volunteering or even having second jobs as long a that second job isnt in aged care. What I wanr is for all them to be trained properly and given best posible PPE when they are working.

In NSW we recognise people have lives outside of their jobs, which is why our HQ workers can have second jobs excluding aged care.

But Vic made a huge song and dance about second jobs, that I was surprised they hadnt curtailed volunteer jobs.

What a joke. On both counts.

But not at all surprising, given past decisions, althugh Victorians can go if they are willing to do the quarantine, its not quite a reinstate,ment of hard borders.
 
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SMH reports: Noble Park Fire Brigade in Melbourne’s south-east has been temporarily shut down after a Country Fire Authority (CFA) volunteer working in hotel quarantine was diagnosed with COVID-19.

Co whilst HQ workers cant have a second "paid"job in Vic they can have volunteer ones.
It was mentioned he attended a CFA social event so maybe it was at the Noble Park Brigade?
 
From ABC:

Northern Territory Government declares 10 Melbourne suburbs as COVID-19 hotspots​

This advice is effective from 3:30pm CST.

Anyone arriving in the NT from those suburbs will be required to go into mandatory supervised quarantine at a cost of $2,500.

The suburbs are Melbourne, West Melbourne, Brighton, Brandon Park, Clayton South, Heatherton, Keysborough, Moorabbin, Noble Park and Springvale.

Anyone who has arrived in the Northern Territory from the Victorian hotspots since January 29 is being directed to get tested for COVID-19 and self-isolate until a negative result is confirmed.
 
Summary of all the state restrictions on Victorian/Melbourne travellers we know about from each state and territory in the country:

Queensland:
  • Will keep its border with Victoria open but urges anyone who has visited Greater Melbourne since January 29 to get tested for coronavirus and isolate until they receive their test result.
  • Anyone who has been at the exposure sites listed on the Victorian Government website should isolate for 14 days and follow the advice from the Victorian Government.

Western Australia:
  • Travellers from Victoria still need to self-quarantine for 14 days and undergo a Day 11 test.

New South Wales:
  • Those who have been in an exposure site in Melbourne since January 30 are to get tested immediately and isolate for 14 days since being there, regardless of the result.
  • NSW Health asks for a second test to be conducted on day 12 after being at the site.
  • Other recent arrivals from Melbourne are asked to monitor the Victorian health sites for additional exposure sites that may be added to the list.
  • Passengers from Melbourne will undergo a health screening at the airport and will also be asked if they have been to any venues flagged by Victorian health authorities and must complete a passenger declaration.

Tasmania:
  • Anyone currently in Tasmania who was at any of the high-risk Victorian exposure sites at the specified times should self-isolate immediately and call the Public Health Hotline on 1800 671 738 for further advice.
  • Travellers who have spent time in a high-risk area or premise in the 14 days before arriving in Tasmania are not permitted to enter Tasmania, unless approved as an Essential Traveller. If entry is approved, there may be a quarantine requirement in government-designated accommodation (fees can apply).
  • Travellers who have spent time in a high-risk area or premise need to provide information to help determine entry and quarantine requirements for travel to Tasmania. The most effective way of doing this is via the G2G PASS system.

South Australia:
  • If you’ve been in the Greater Melbourne Area from January 28, having not been in the hotspot areas, you must get a test on day 1, 5 and 12 and isolate at a suitable location until you get a negative day 1 test result.
  • If you’ve visited any of the listed hotspots at the specific time listed, you must self-isolate at a suitable location for 14 days and get tested on day 1, 5 and 12.
  • Anyone who has been in the Grand Hyatt Hotel in Melbourne since January 28 will be required to go into hotel quarantine.

Northern Territory:
  • Travellers who have been in Melbourne, West Melbourne, Brighton, Brandon Park, Clayton South, Heatherton, Keysborough, Moorabbin, Noble Park and Springvale will be required to go into mandatory supervised quarantine at a cost of $2,500, from today.
  • Anyone who has arrived in the Northern Territory from the Victorian hotspots since January 29 is being directed to get tested for COVID-19 and self-isolate until a negative result is confirmed.

Australian Capital Territory:
  • Anyone in Canberra who has been in a potential high-risk COVID-19 exposure site in Victoria has been asked to get tested and quarantine for 14 days.
  • Non-residents will have to apply for an exemption to travel to the ACT.
 
From ABC:

The suburbs are Melbourne, West Melbourne, Brighton, Brandon Park, Clayton South, Heatherton, Keysborough, Moorabbin, Noble Park and Springvale.

I've never thought of Brandon Park as any more than the name of a shopping centre (and the road its on). I'll have to find out what its boundaries are!
 
WA got destroyed again the media today for their response, lack of preparation and their lax HQ standards. Some of this article captures what was said.

Was a popcorn munching moment!

Glad to hear they are making PPE mandatory in HQ.... great move team....

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McGowan defends lockdown as Victoria and WA follow different paths, labels WA as 'vulnerable'​


Following the positive test result of a hotel quarantine security guard on Sunday about 2 million people were plunged into a five day lockdown.

However, following revelations Victoria had its own case of transmission in a quarantine hotel Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews announced another ‘third ring’ contact tracing strategy without shutting the city down, backing the states contact tracers and mild restrictions to control the outbreak.

Mr McGowan said WA’s vulnerability to uncontrollable transmission was much greater than Victoria.

“We were more vulnerable than anywhere else, we hadn’t had any COVID for 10 months which was virtually a world record so therefore we had to take stronger action."

Western Australia will also look to beef up its hotel quarantine system under a range of measures including mandatory use of PPE by hotel staff.

The state will consider a Victorian proposal to conduct saliva testing of workers between shifts by next week following fierce criticism from the Australian Medical Association WA over policies that did not require hotel quarantine security guards to wear masks.


 
Summary of all the state restrictions on Victorian/Melbourne travellers we know about from each state and territory in the country:

Queensland:
  • Will keep its border with Victoria open but urges anyone who has visited Greater Melbourne since January 29 to get tested for coronavirus and isolate until they receive their test result.
  • Anyone who has been at the exposure sites listed on the Victorian Government website should isolate for 14 days and follow the advice from the Victorian Government.

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As you indicated they are urging anyone who has visited Greater Melbourne since January 29 to get tested for coronavirus and isolate until they receive their test result.

I am in Qld (since 31 Jan) and so I rang Qld Health clarify the exact rules as I might have needed to get tested myself, and as I have business contacts that I need to advise as well. They clarified that the testing is recommended and is not mandatory, unless you have been to one of the exposure sites.

I will get tested tomorrow anyway, but not today as there are no testing sites near me as I am in a remote location today and it would have meant two hefty trips, and then another drive tomorrow (my departure day to a different Qld location). I will isolate but drive back to suburbia tomorrow and will get tested then.
 
As you indicated they are urging anyone who has visited Greater Melbourne since January 29 to get tested for coronavirus and isolate until they receive their test result.

I am in Qld (since 31 Jan) and so I rang Qld Health clarify the exact rules as I might have needed to get tested myself, and as I have business contacts that I need to advise as well. They clarified that the testing is recommended and is not mandatory, unless you have been to one of the exposure sites.

Lucky for you but its a strange one as Qld are usually much stricter.

First time ever the requirements are stricter in NSW, where you MUST get tested if been to a an exposure site vs SHOULD for Qld.

Monitoring for symptims form greater Melburne is likely ok, but Im surprosed Qld not going harder on those in Qld who may have been at an exposure sight at the same time as the poistive person.
 
Yes and I supplied what the definition of what that actually was defined of as at that time. You will note that he also did not define the type of tests (PCR/RNA/antigen as well the detail on frequency of saliva/ nasal swabs. The more detailed statements did.

THE PM abbreviated a lot of the detail from the AHPPC and National Cabinet decisions.

You seem to have assumed it was something different which I can understand, but it was not what was indicated at the time in terms of what the daily testing actually meant and how it was to be done in the information that detailed it..

Vic has now enhanced that definition.
‘Enhanced’ yeah like Qantas

I’ll give you an SA Health Minister on the SA Premier website - with relevant bolding


On February 8, SA Health will gain access to the brand-new Tom's Court, which will accommodate the state's dedicated COVID-19 facility.
After set-up and orientation, the facility will be ready to receive patients who test positive from the following week.
Minister for Health and Wellbeing Stephen Wade said as part of the plan to protect South Australians from the spread of COVID-19, the opening of Tom’s Court marks a significant enhancement of our State’s quarantine process.
“More than 11,000 people have quarantined in one of our medi-hotels to date and we are committed to our quarantine system being as safe and stringent as possible,” Minister Wade said.
“Since late last year, COVID-19 patients have been accommodated in a dedicated facility within the Pullman Hotel.
Soon, patients who test positive to COVID-19 will be taken to this standalone facility, with Tom’s Court exclusively staffed by SA Health and SAPOL for nursing and security purposes.
“As we have said before, there is never zero risk of COVID-19 entering South Australia and it is crucial we put as many shields as possible between the virus and the community.
“Under a raft of initiatives to further strengthen the hotel quarantine process, dedicated SA Health and SAPOL staff working at the brand-new, 72-bed facility will not be deployed to another medi-hotel or high-risk environments, including hospitals, and aged care and correctional facilities.
“Given the highly transmissible strain we are seeing from overseas, any COVID-19 positive patients already at the Pullmans at the time of Tom’s Court opening, will not be moved.
“They will remain in the two dedicated floors at the Pullman until they are cleared so there may be a short period where two facilities are used.”
The agreement with Tom’s Court was this week signed for six months initially, with SA Health being given access on Monday 8 February to allow time for staff to familiarise them with the site and undertake relevant training before guests are admitted.
“To make our hotel quarantine process as safe as possible, all medi-hotel staff receive PCR testing every seven days, with a staged roll-out of daily saliva testing nearing completion” Minister Wade said.
“All medi-hotel staff will receive daily saliva testing by Monday 8 February.
“In addition, we are expanding the surveillance program to include daily saliva testing to all airport workers who are currently required to receive PCR tests every seven days. This will be complete by 22 February.”

Deputy Chief Public Health Officer, Dr Emily Kirkpatrick, said Tom’s Court was chosen following a comprehensive selection process, involving the state’s preeminent public health officials and South Australia Police (SAPOL).
“The facility includes four rooms with apartment style facilities suitable to accommodate families and two purpose-built disability suites, with many of the rooms having balconies and opening windows providing fresh air to the rooms,” Dr Kirkpatrick said.
“Most importantly, its central location will allow for a rapid transfer to the Royal Adelaide Hospital should it be required.
“Some modifications to the heating ventilation and air conditioning system have been made to enable the hotel to meet SA Health’s stringent requirements as a medi-hotel, with additional CCTV cameras also being installed.
“We have also increased health support and mental health wellbeing checks for guests.
“All staff working in Tom’s Court will also still have access to a separate Hotel for Heroes facility so they have the option to rest away from their home and family if required.”
The hotel is located on Tom’s Court Road, off Halifax Street, in the Adelaide central business district.
 
I've never thought of Brandon Park as any more than the name of a shopping centre (and the road its on). I'll have to find out what its boundaries are!
Having lived just a few hundred metres from Brandon Park (in MULGRAVE), I'd say the boundaries are its car park.
 
I've never thought of Brandon Park as any more than the name of a shopping centre (and the road its on). I'll have to find out what its boundaries are!

Having lived just a few hundred metres from Brandon Park (in MULGRAVE), I'd say the boundaries are its car park.

I’ll bite.....I think Brandon Park SC is in the suburb boundaries of Wheelers Hill. I don’t believe Brandon Park is anything more than a shopping centre.
 
‘Enhanced’ yeah like Qantas

I’ll give you an SA Health Minister on the SA Premier website - with relevant bolding


On February 8, SA Health will gain access to the brand-new Tom's Court, which will accommodate the state's dedicated COVID-19 facility.
After set-up and orientation, the facility will be ready to receive patients who test positive from the following week.
Minister for Health and Wellbeing Stephen Wade said as part of the plan to protect South Australians from the spread of COVID-19, the opening of Tom’s Court marks a significant enhancement of our State’s quarantine process.
“More than 11,000 people have quarantined in one of our medi-hotels to date and we are committed to our quarantine system being as safe and stringent as possible,” Minister Wade said.
“Since late last year, COVID-19 patients have been accommodated in a dedicated facility within the Pullman Hotel.
Soon, patients who test positive to COVID-19 will be taken to this standalone facility, with Tom’s Court exclusively staffed by SA Health and SAPOL for nursing and security purposes.
“As we have said before, there is never zero risk of COVID-19 entering South Australia and it is crucial we put as many shields as possible between the virus and the community.
“Under a raft of initiatives to further strengthen the hotel quarantine process, dedicated SA Health and SAPOL staff working at the brand-new, 72-bed facility will not be deployed to another medi-hotel or high-risk environments, including hospitals, and aged care and correctional facilities.
“Given the highly transmissible strain we are seeing from overseas, any COVID-19 positive patients already at the Pullmans at the time of Tom’s Court opening, will not be moved.
“They will remain in the two dedicated floors at the Pullman until they are cleared so there may be a short period where two facilities are used.”
The agreement with Tom’s Court was this week signed for six months initially, with SA Health being given access on Monday 8 February to allow time for staff to familiarise them with the site and undertake relevant training before guests are admitted.
“To make our hotel quarantine process as safe as possible, all medi-hotel staff receive PCR testing every seven days, with a staged roll-out of daily saliva testing nearing completion” Minister Wade said.
“All medi-hotel staff will receive daily saliva testing by Monday 8 February.
“In addition, we are expanding the surveillance program to include daily saliva testing to all airport workers who are currently required to receive PCR tests every seven days. This will be complete by 22 February.”

Deputy Chief Public Health Officer, Dr Emily Kirkpatrick, said Tom’s Court was chosen following a comprehensive selection process, involving the state’s preeminent public health officials and South Australia Police (SAPOL).
“The facility includes four rooms with apartment style facilities suitable to accommodate families and two purpose-built disability suites, with many of the rooms having balconies and opening windows providing fresh air to the rooms,” Dr Kirkpatrick said.
“Most importantly, its central location will allow for a rapid transfer to the Royal Adelaide Hospital should it be required.
“Some modifications to the heating ventilation and air conditioning system have been made to enable the hotel to meet SA Health’s stringent requirements as a medi-hotel, with additional CCTV cameras also being installed.
“We have also increased health support and mental health wellbeing checks for guests.
“All staff working in Tom’s Court will also still have access to a separate Hotel for Heroes facility so they have the option to rest away from their home and family if required.”
The hotel is located on Tom’s Court Road, off Halifax Street, in the Adelaide central business district.

I am not sure what your point is.

It does not mention when they are tested plus it is a medi_hotel and not just hq.

Medi-hotel need to be better than hq facilities.

Interesting to read though they are only moving to daily testing on 8 Feb. I know Vic moved on 6 Jan on thereabouts. However it is not a competition. It is good that everyone is improving.
 
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The wording would have previously still had me assume 'daily testing' was only on the days you were at work!
And as I previously said if what you say is true, then its pretty pathetic.

A few weeks ago an emergency National Cabinet is called to strengthen border measures which we now know includes quarantine workers, pre-testing for international arrivals, etc.

AHPPC gives us their best advice of daily testing (presumably with caveats of per shift, no isolation required while waiting for result, and whatever other BS qualification/exception). So with all that time over Christmas, it now appears AHPPC could not get it right. Who saying this? The Victorian Department of Health/Premier. And what role did the Victorian DH have in strengthening border measures that were considered by the emergency National Cabinet meeting? Oh they designed it. Oh and who barracked for it in the public domain? The Victorian Premier (acting or otherwise).

You know what is better than daily testing per shift, daily testing.
You know what is better than daily testing, twice daily testing; 6 hourly testing; hourly testing....
Oh and they missed a step - test a day before each shift (with/without isolation while awaiting a result), so you don't indirectly infect the people held in quarantine via the vents or other quarantine workers.

What's changed since National Cabinet last considered this? Absolutely nothing. So can't blame changing circumstances for the need for an 'improved' process.

Imagine being an IT designer/building architect/whatever and your creation sounds/looks good but a few days later you say 'Oh its just bloody useless, it didn't do the job required.' Most would be fired for the incompetence.
 
So what’s on the agenda for National Cabinet?

- I sniff my Wellcamp quarantine camp idea might get some legs ;) Watch this space

- All premiers are going to screech that the quarantine caps cannot return to normal...

- National guideline agreed to to stop random borders slamming shut every couple of weeks?(LOLS)
 
So what’s on the agenda for National Cabinet?

- I sniff my Wellcamp quarantine camp idea might get some legs ;) Watch this space

- All premiers are going to screech that the quarantine caps cannot return to normal...

- National guideline agreed to to stop random borders slamming shut every couple of weeks?(LOLS)
Or maybe a floating camp or two 😉
 
Do cruise ships have better ventilation than hotels? But I guess the rooms would be more cramped. Lol
I understand that because of Covid many ships have now changed their ventilation systems. I heard NCL discussing this just the other day. Hmmm. Food for thought.
 
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