Avianca "Lifemiles" - Questions and Discussion

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+1. I think twice of posting any quirks I found on LM for fear of someone telling me that it is not the correct way of using the program or I'm bending the rules too much.

I really dislike people who are doing that.
It's one thing to keep information to yourself, no problem with that, but not sharing information AND attacking generous individuals who share their knowledge with the community is a selfish and anti-social behaviour.
No one knows everything and if information is not being shared, eventually everyone looses.

I think there's a difference between sharing information openly which is then taken by bloggers (and pretty quickly shut down) vs making information available for sharing within the [established] AFF community.

Wasn't there a spreadsheet created for exactly the purpose of sharing 'tricks' without having to broadcast them?
 
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I think there's a difference between sharing information openly which is then taken by bloggers (and pretty quickly shut down) vs making information available for sharing within the [established] AFF community.

Wasn't there a spreadsheet created for exactly the purpose of sharing 'tricks' without having to broadcast them?

There is indeed.
 
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re: Avianca "Life Miles" - Questions and Discussion

Unfortunately it's the same with many things. Mistake fares are an example... people pushed those to the limit with Swiss (Rangoon 3), and then again with UA ex Denmark... and that's now pretty much then end of them. IIRC Lifemiles and cabotage (via Tokyo) + other 'onward' routings has suffered a similar fate.

I wouldn't quite draw an equivalence with mistake fares (or, more specifically, mistake fares which can fall within US jurisdiction). Nor is it an attack (direct or not) on the ethics or whatnot of people who used the programme so much in its infancy. It is merely an observation.

The observation does note that AV LM was pretty generous. LH F wasn't blocked, very affordable (not as much as US DM at the time, but different leeways) and, perhaps not too ignobly, plenty of exploitable tricks, and it could pretty much all be done online.

Some of this was outside of AV's influence (to a degree). LH F pretty much is getting locked down on any of the "low target" FFPs (though ironically still available via UA and AC). SQ decided to play hardball on its premium inventory between Singapore and Australia, which has affected nearly all partner FFPs.

Maybe the surprise is more that the early days were earmarked as the "standard" more than what it actually was, which was simply a boon. It's a shame the equilibrium right now is pretty subpar (though oddly still workable, but enough to make me a bit weary about my LM balance).

I think there's a difference between sharing information openly which is then taken by bloggers (and pretty quickly shut down) vs making information available for sharing within the [established] AFF community.

Wasn't there a spreadsheet created for exactly the purpose of sharing 'tricks' without having to broadcast them?

I think the spreadsheet might have been lost in the ether (not really, but for intents and purposes). After all, someone had to take charge to add members to be able to see it. Also, except for its early days, it wasn't really updated anyway. Finally, people were having the same reservations about sharing it on a spreadsheet when people were being indiscriminately added to the view list anyway, which means it was no better than the websites.

FT didn't even have a spreadsheet, but it did have an extensive "language" which is fairly non-intelligible to anyone not in the know, and the only way to gain knowledge was to either (a) guess, or (b) PM someone generous enough to share, or (c) meet someone in person to know about it, or (d) possibly learn it at a FT related education function.

Many of the "tricks" shared by bloggers, if that was many at all, were not some of the most arcane ones which were exploited (and there were some real chestnuts that were of that arcane type). Yes, there was that blogger who seemingly destroyed a good chestnut by reporting his unfortunate incident to the authorities, but at best it was probably illegal anyway and at worst "so be it".
 
re: Avianca "Life Miles" - Questions and Discussion

I will continue using this program since it suits my yearly travels to Asia during Xmas & New Years(return J on LM is comparable to Y fare). I have to admit, I do miss spending hours entering every possible airport combinations on *A routes and going through every possible airports looking for 'miscoded' ones. I never really used any of the so called tricks since it never fitted my travels but I'm happy that people made use of them while it lasted. I don't believe that the LM is broken, it's just changing will continue to do so. It is a business after all and it needs to make money just like the bloggers with their credit card referrals.
 
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I wouldn't quite draw an equivalence with mistake fares (or, more specifically, mistake fares which can fall within US jurisdiction). Nor is it an attack (direct or not) on the ethics or whatnot of people who used the programme so much in its infancy. It is merely an observation.

The observation does note that AV LM was pretty generous. LH F wasn't blocked, very affordable (not as much as US DM at the time, but different leeways) and, perhaps not too ignobly, plenty of exploitable tricks, and it could pretty much all be done online.

I take your point (to some degree) with LM, but certainly we saw it with USDM... people pushing the boundaries so far we'd end up with various restrictions from time to time (most notably MPM), or make it far more difficult to find agents willing to do a routing such as GUM.

I would argue that it is slightly similar to mistake fares. If people hadn't pursed them so relentlessly, we would potentially still have enough doubt that at least some airlines would continue to honour them.
 
Avianca "Life Miles" - New FF program in *A

I don't believe that the LM is broken, it's just changing will continue to do so. It is a business after all and it needs to make money just like the bloggers with their credit card referrals.

I agree. Every time LM throws an obstacle, users somehow manage to find a way around it. With all it's faults this is the programme I currently use the most for award bookings (miss USDM so much... :( ) and there is plenty value left in it for those willing to accept and work with the recent changes.
 
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MMS from no1 daughter this morning off on very first LM redemption on TG.
Super excited about the Dom :D
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re: Avianca "Life Miles" - Questions and Discussion

MMS from no1 daughter this morning off on very first LM redemption on TG.
Super excited about the Dom :D
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That looks like the refurbished 747. Does TG use mostly refurbished 747 to SYD now or still the old pods?
 
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That looks like the refurbished 747. Does TG use mostly refurbished 747 to SYD now or still the old pods?

To me it looks like the old F.
Not that it really matters for day flights, the soft product should be the same.
 
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That looks like the refurbished 747. ?

Um no, definitely looks like old F. She was a little 'unlucky', 476 is typically operated by new F I think...today was the first old F in the last 8 days according to flightradar.
 
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It's old F. Considering that the only "F" she has ever flown before is AA/DL Domestic she thinks she's very lucky indeed :D
Super excited about the caviar course :mrgreen:
Fingers crossed the BKK-LHR leg is the new F mini-suites.
 
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It's old F. Considering that the only "F" she has ever flown before is AA/DL Domestic she thinks she's very lucky indeed :D
Super excited about the caviar course :mrgreen:
Fingers crossed the BKK-LHR leg is the new F mini-suites.

My bad, I thought the corner at the front was the corner of the monitor. Closer examination does reveal it's old F.

BKK to LHR is serviced by A380 now, no? So it should be suite anyway. But regardless which, I'm sure she is very well pampered at the spa now.
 
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It's old F. Considering that the only "F" she has ever flown before is AA/DL Domestic she thinks she's very lucky indeed :D
Super excited about the caviar course :mrgreen:
Fingers crossed the BKK-LHR leg is the new F mini-suites.

I was sadly underwhelmed by the TG Caviar. I was left wondering what all the brouhaha was about.

Fortunely, my SQ suites flight a few weeks back sorted me out and I am hoping to sample a few more tins worth just to ensure my tastebuds were correct :)

I did have a decent sleep on TG F. Think I had the semi old product with 9 seats. No so enamoured with he new F seats that required a turn down service. Definitely enjoyed my 3 hour nap on SQ, but was missing being able to lounge in a sun bed style setting.

Definitely all first world gripes. Now I just have to get myself mentally prepared to fly Virgin Y to Bali return next month. One has to occasionally do something to keep one's self grounded. Doesn't one :confused:
 
Avianca "Life Miles" - New FF program in *A

I was sadly underwhelmed by the TG Caviar. I was left wondering what all the brouhaha was about.

Fortunely, my SQ suites flight a few weeks back sorted me out and I am hoping to sample a few more tins worth just to ensure my tastebuds were correct :)

Interesting comment. I'm not a big expert but I loved the caviar served on TG, they even gave me an extra tin once :)
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Haven't flown SQ F yet but I can imagine the quality must be very high.
 
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Definitely all first world gripes. Now I just have to get myself mentally prepared to fly Virgin Y to Bali return next month. One has to occasionally do something to keep one's self grounded. Doesn't one :confused:

You will struggle! VA uses 737 for Bali right? That's worse!

I just came back from SIN yesterday on EK 777 in Y after a family trip (my wife insisted that my kids should never get spoiled too early in their life. They need to experience how real people travel, even though they still had lounge access). It was a torture on those tiny narrow seats which EK tries to squeeze 10 abreast in a 777.

I got air sick! I couldnt believe it. I'm a frequent flyer and I got air sick! The ride wasn't rough at all and I don't know how I could get sick. I guess it was the flashing of all the monitors that made me dizzy (EK has a relatively large monitors for their Y seats), and I did eat too much in the lounge.

Not only I got air sick, I got a sore back and is still hurting now.

Seriously, I thought I could easily handle a 7 hr day time flight in a full service airline Y (never LCC), but not anymore..... It was a real torture!
 
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Interesting comment. I'm not a big expert but I loved the caviar served on TG, they even gave me an extra tin once :)

Haven't flown SQ F yet but I can imagine the quality must be very high.

Maybe my tastebuds. A Thai friend flew F last year to visit Sydney and he was raving about the Caviar and looking forward to another helping or two on the return flight.

I'm hoping it wasn't the 4 glasses of champers and a couple of scotches in the lounge that caused my taste buds to give such an inaccurate reading :)

All the other food with TG was excellent. Service was decent, but with such a reasonably late departure once the meal service was over most of the F PAX had been provided enough alcohol to have them sleeping like babes once the lights went off.

I've decided my sample size of 2 F flights is too small to come to any final conclusions. Am in the process of submitting a proposal for further F travel to ensure my findings are complete :p
 
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Haven't flown SQ F yet but I can imagine the quality must be very high.

But SQ serve their caviar on a big table spoon. I had to scoop it with my fork so I could eat it with my belloni.
 
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