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Hi everyone,

I have read this entire thread with much interest as the same thing has just happened to our flights. First of all I'd like to thank the OP and the others who have commented on this thread - there is a real wealth of knowledge here, and genuine people who want to help. I appreciate the OP's patience, and also his email to Qantas to try and prevent this situation from happening again to other people.

Seems like though it is still a problem ....

Some background: I have been saving points for the past 15 years! I saved from international flights that I used to take for work when I worked full time, to credit card points. We finally had enough for 2 RTW OW tickets (140K each). We are travelling for 11 months and this is our trip of a lifetime. My husband has Retinitis Pigmentosa, and is now legally blind - he is losing sight year by year and now has tunnel vision with only 10% of his sight left. We are doing this trip to see the world before his sight completely diminishes. We have packed up home, sold everything including home and business, and are currently in Cuenca Ecuador.

Our itinerary is as follows: SYD-xDFW-(UIO)//CUS-xLIM-xMIA-(CUN)//PHL-xMAD-(BOD)//MAD-xDOH-(KTM)-xHKG-(KHH)-xHGK-SYD

This took such a long time to organise as you can imagine! All flights were ticketed, confirmed and taxes paid in February 2017. At the time of booking, the dates for our last 2 legs of our trip KTM-xHKG-(KHH)-xHKG-SYD had not been released yet as we did not want to come home until April 2018. The route was confirmed, so it was a simple date change once the flight was released. Unfortunately during this date change, and unbeknownst to me until today, our flights with Qatar, MAD-xDOH-KTM were dropped. Reading this thread, I realise now it was due to QF slow ticketing issue. Here is a timeline of events:

February 10 2017 - received travel document email from Qantas stating all flights confirmed
February 12 2017 - received Confirmation and E-Ticket Flight Itinerary email from Qantas. This contained E-Ticket itinerary and receipt PDF document which showed full itinerary payment details of taxes on my Visa card for February 13 2017.
May 15 2017 - I called Qantas to ask them to change the dates. The change was done quite painlessly as it was a simple date change. I asked the CSR whether they could waive the change fees since it was not a segment change, I could not make the changes online, and I could not book those dates at the time of booking because they were not released. She spoke to her supervisor, but denied my request. I asked whether any of my flights were affected by the change and she confirmed that all of my flights were still there.
May 21 2017 - received email from Qantas entitled QANTAS E-TICKET ITINERARY AND RECEIPT. This was the day before my flight and we were still cleaning our house after moving, so to be honest, I skimmed the email. Looking at it now, I see that the Qatar flights are missing and there were no extra taxes charged. This was ticketed 7 days from when I originally requested the change!
May 22 2017 - our first leg of the journey commences from SYD-UIO.
June 14 2017 (today) - we have been travelling for 3 weeks in Ecuador and I had been waiting for the official PDF document from Qantas for the new flight dates. I re-read the email from May 21 to check again in case the PDF was actually attached to that email. That’s when I discovered that the Qatar flights were dropped. I checked my inbox thoroughly but had received no other email from Qantas with any other itinerary updates or any email stating that the Qatar flights were dropped. I checked on qantas.com and my booking also shows the Qatar flights missing.


The reason I post all this to this forum is to ask your advice on what is the quickest way to resolve this. I do not want a drawn out procedure, I just simply want my flights back. My flight MAD-xDOH-KTM was originally departing on December 2 2017. I also want this issue to be made public again since there is obviously still a problem with Qantas CSR not understanding the urgency of ticketing a flight immediately when QR is concerned.


Today I have already spoken to a QF CSR. The CSR said that the flights were dropped “for some reason” by Qatar on May 15. She looked at my records and noted that the cancellation was not requested by me, and the only request was the date change. She spoke to her supervisor who advised that they could write an email to Qatar and ask them to give those flights back, but the answer would most likely be “NO". The CSR then proceeded to look for alternative flights asking if the flight dates were flexible. They are not flexible since we have to leave Europe by December 2 2017 as this is the last day of our 90 day visa, and it is followed by a 45 day visa in Nepal, followed by a 90 day visa in Taiwan. As I expected, there are no flights available on QR on that date and surrounding dates. The only other OW carriers that fly to KTM are Cathay via HKG and Malaysia Airlines via KUL. If I were to book with either of these options it would most certainly take our itinerary over the 35,000 mile limit for OW awards. At this point, I asked the CSR to ask her supervisor to write that email to Qatar anyway. She then told me to call back in 48 hours to see if there was a response.


As you can see, the runaround has already begun. What’s more, calling Qantas Australia from here in Ecuador is costing me $$$. I noticed that the OP was eventually corresponding by email to a dedicated CSR. Can I have access to that as well?


Any advice appreciated, and thanks for reading through this lengthy post.
 
Not that my story is as dramatic, but I too have just had to argue with QF over a redemption through EK. In August. Booked and points deducted for two one way EK, AKL - BNE flights. Everything ok for a few days, then nada. Short story was the flights had to be rebooked as somehow they were cancelled. We're all,ok now, but it was a little disconcerting.
 
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As you can see, the runaround has already begun. What’s more, calling Qantas Australia from here in Ecuador is costing me $$$. I noticed that the OP was eventually corresponding by email to a dedicated CSR. Can I have access to that as well?


Any advice appreciated, and thanks for reading through this lengthy post.
The only thing I can suggest to expedite the issue is if the OP provides the email contact they used, or at least email that contact pointing to another major issue with QR.
 
mga363 - I can imagine how stressful this will be for you! First of all... easier said than done... but try to not let this ruin your trip of a lifetime! Keep a record of any incidental expenses you accrue calling QF. Once you get back to Australia come back to AFF for advice on how to approach Qantas - you should be compensated for the calls and any other expenses. This is not your fault! But the matter of expenses is something you can sort out later.

Secondly... wait for QF at first instance and wait the 48 hours. If not successful ask for the call to be escalated when you next speak to Qantas, explaining that the dropped segments are due to QF not issuing the ticket in time. Ask for an email address for the supervisor. And ask them to work on alternatives, explaining you tight time frames for your itinerary. Your post above is well written and clear - this could be emailed to the supervisor.

You can point out that your entry to Europe (90 days) may be affected without valid onward travel... this should spur them in to action.

This is probably going to take some time to sort out, but it is for Qantas to do so, not your fault, and unfair for it to ruin your holiday. The only thing you can do at this stage is to try and get the email, and then perhaps wait until you get to either the USA or Europe where hopefully calling QF is easier (and cheaper). Other AFF contributors will also have some ideas... perhaps emailing Alan Joyce?
 
I'm sorry for your issue but take the advice already given here. I think there's a common issue with Qatar not issuing Award tickets initially and then if changes are made then it's really difficult. It's a misconnect between Qantas and Qatar. It's a mess. The money and points disappear pronto though.
 
Little tip as I cant comment on the whole booking an OWE award. (I need to do a TAFE course to understand the minefield in booking these awards.)

I was residing in the backblocks of Zambia where the phone system was not only dodgy, it was expensive. I reached out to QF through Facebook messenger to resolve some issues. Apart from not costing a cent, I have a record of the interaction. Im not sure if that is feasible in your situation, but it might be worth a shot.
 
That's true. A tweet might work also - I've had a response very quickly using it. (From someone who has said they'd never tweet but am going with the flow)
 
Hi mga363,

I can certainly share in your frustration and what's more troubling for you is the fact that you've already started your journey and have to chase up these mistakes on the run in a foreign country while you're trying to enjoy your holiday! I will PM you the email of the CSR I was corresponding with. Hopefully they can at least put you in contact with someone who can help guide you through the process of getting your flights re-ticketed.

If you have no issue with re-routing,I am sure the alternatives that you have suggested will still work. My flights ended up being booked as normal 'award flights' and did not form part of the RTW award itinerary and therefore did not count towards the 35,000 mile limit. QF credited my account with the required FF points and then deducted them to purchase the flights. If they have done this for me, then they can do this for you and at the end of the day, this is a problem that they need to remedy.

The thing that bugs me is that there are some simple fixes to some of these problems. The one that irks me the most is the lack of notification following a cancellation. I had a flight time change last month of 5 minutes and received a notification stating just that, yet a completely cancelled flight and no notification? The mind boggles.

Good luck with everything, I'll be following and offering advice and assistance where I can. You've come to the right place to get this sorted, I couldn't have done it without the help of the AFF community.


Hi everyone,

I have read this entire thread with much interest as the same thing has just happened to our flights. First of all I'd like to thank the OP and the others who have commented on this thread - there is a real wealth of knowledge here, and genuine people who want to help. I appreciate the OP's patience, and also his email to Qantas to try and prevent this situation from happening again to other people.

Seems like though it is still a problem ....
 
Hi all,

First of all I'm so grateful for all the responses I've had so far. It makes us feel like we have a lot of support! More importantly it helps to know that the onus to fix this lies completely with Qantas. Some awesome advice here as well. I will give them that 48 hours, but after that I will escalate direct to management and grab an email. I got the email from pweekes (thank you!) so I'll use that if I can't get a supervisor email address.

Facebook and twitter ... also some good advice. As to emailing Alan Joyce ... really?! There are certainly some serious issues here that need fixing. Communication for cancelled flights is a big one! You know, companies spend thousands of dollars on analysts to improve their business models thus increasing profit margins - but on this forum you can get that advice for free! It's a shame it has fallen on deaf ears.

Thanks again for all the support. I will keep this updated so you'll know how it all goes.

mga363 - I can imagine how stressful this will be for you! First of all... easier said than done... but try to not let this ruin your trip of a lifetime! Keep a record of any incidental expenses you accrue calling QF. Once you get back to Australia come back to AFF for advice on how to approach Qantas - you should be compensated for the calls and any other expenses. This is not your fault! But the matter of expenses is something you can sort out later.

Secondly... wait for QF at first instance and wait the 48 hours. If not successful ask for the call to be escalated when you next speak to Qantas, explaining that the dropped segments are due to QF not issuing the ticket in time. Ask for an email address for the supervisor. And ask them to work on alternatives, explaining you tight time frames for your itinerary. Your post above is well written and clear - this could be emailed to the supervisor.

You can point out that your entry to Europe (90 days) may be affected without valid onward travel... this should spur them in to action.

This is probably going to take some time to sort out, but it is for Qantas to do so, not your fault, and unfair for it to ruin your holiday. The only thing you can do at this stage is to try and get the email, and then perhaps wait until you get to either the USA or Europe where hopefully calling QF is easier (and cheaper). Other AFF contributors will also have some ideas... perhaps emailing Alan Joyce?
 
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emailing to CEO... bit like emailing a givernment minister... they don't personally deal with your complaint, but they make sure someone does! And with the right authority to get action.

Not all cases are worthy of emailing the CEO, but I think given your circumstances you are justified to 'go to the top'.
 
Good luck mga363

QF can be frustrating with QR flights, I've made a number of changes to my bookings and have had to follow up numerous times to make sure my tickets went through ok.

FWIW I have done a bit of a search for award flights and have the following ammunition to take back to QF if they aren't able to provide a quick resolution.

It appears they have quiet a few options but it will also come down to how it suits your dates.

- There is Y availability from DOH>KTM on QR650 on the 11/30, 2/12 & 3/12. This flight departs at 12.35 pm so QF would need to get you to DOH with a suitable connection time.
- There is plenty of J availability from DOH>KTM on QR646, QR650, QR652 from the 11/30-2/12.
- There is J availability on MAD>DOH>KTM departing MAD on the 30/11 & 1/12 - The 2 flights are QR150 connecting to QR652

Try not to stress too much, QF have quite a few options to get this resolved pretty easily. If any of the above options suit you best keep a record of the details and don't be afraid to ask especially given their stuff up and your VISA timelines, no idea if you'll be lucky enough to get the J flights but you never know.

This will just be one of the little quirky stories you'll be able to tell all your friends about when Qantas stuffed up your flights. Your trip sounds really amazing and I'm jealous as I'm sure many others are :)

Good-luck.
 
I'm no help with the QR issue but as I have mentioned in other threads, download the Keep Calling app add as little as US$2 and calls to Australia from anywhere in the world using wifi are only US 1.6 cents/min.
Of course there are lots of other companies offering a similar service but I have found KC excellent (& no expiry on credit, no mthly account fee plus as little as $2 to recharge).

Good luck with everything!
 
For those that are interested, I called up Qantas today and they said they received a reply from Qatar. Qatar’s response is that they will only accept requests for seat reinstatement 3 months prior to departure, so I was to call back on September 2 to ask for my seats again! The CSR said that making the request is not a guarantee that they will release them either. I pointed out, that at that time, the likelihood of an alternative flight being available is even slimmer. What’s more, our visa to Europe may be in jeopardy seeing I have no flight booked out of Europe. September 4 is the day I arrive in Europe! They provided no alternatives and said they would not cover a J class flight seeing I only booked economy RTW tickets. (Thank you for this info yld200.)


So I asked for a supervisor who again said the same as the CSR. After explaining my visa issue, she said that it would be best if I purchase the tickets myself! That’s when I said that I paid for the ticket with points, and paid all the taxes for my original booking (that had the Qatar segment), therefore Qantas has a contractual agreement to honour what I paid for. She said that it was not like that because they have no control over their OW carriers … I’m not a lawyer by any means, but it does sound like a fair trading issue possibly here - because I have not received what I paid for?? I again pointed out the lack of urgency in ticketing and she said that with a ticket of “my magnitude” it would take time ( it was 7 days! ) and therefore it was not their fault.


Long story short, she did take ownership of my case, and was kind. She said she would look at alternatives in trying to get us to KTM but there are some problems with the Doha airspace, and Qatar are the only ones that fly that route but there are no seats etc. Anyway, at this point in time, I am waiting for an email from her with some options. The situation does not look good at all.


BTW I was able to call the direct overseas number +61396585302 instead of the 1300 number. This decreases the costs significantly when using voip.
 
I again pointed out the lack of urgency in ticketing and she said that with a ticket of “my magnitude” it would take time ( it was 7 days! ) and therefore it was not their fault..
The ticketing of award flights when there are changes can be really, really slow. I booked J flights cbr-Mel-lax for my daughter and her husband for their honeymoon and for the return leg hit the problem of not being able to book Mel-cbr because the dates were too early. As soon as the dates were valid I phoned up and got the extra leg added on. It took from July to February and 4 phone calls to get it reticketed! This was all on Qantas flights.

It can be very frustrating - the Qantas people are almost always very nice and sympathetic but often nothing happens.

Something to think about, as it gets really close to September and if it isn't resolved, maybe buying the problem leg is not such bad advice? I know that sounds wimpy and Qantas absolutely should take responsibility and sort it out to your satisfaction, but
rather than causing stress for you and spoiling your incredible trip, it might be a last resort option?
 
For those that are interested, I called up Qantas today and they said they received a reply from Qatar. Qatar’s response is that they will only accept requests for seat reinstatement 3 months prior to departure, so I was to call back on September 2 to ask for my seats again! The CSR said that making the request is not a guarantee that they will release them either. I pointed out, that at that time, the likelihood of an alternative flight being available is even slimmer. What’s more, our visa to Europe may be in jeopardy seeing I have no flight booked out of Europe. September 4 is the day I arrive in Europe! They provided no alternatives and said they would not cover a J class flight seeing I only booked economy RTW tickets. (Thank you for this info yld200.)


So I asked for a supervisor who again said the same as the CSR. After explaining my visa issue, she said that it would be best if I purchase the tickets myself! That’s when I said that I paid for the ticket with points, and paid all the taxes for my original booking (that had the Qatar segment), therefore Qantas has a contractual agreement to honour what I paid for. She said that it was not like that because they have no control over their OW carriers … I’m not a lawyer by any means, but it does sound like a fair trading issue possibly here - because I have not received what I paid for?? I again pointed out the lack of urgency in ticketing and she said that with a ticket of “my magnitude” it would take time ( it was 7 days! ) and therefore it was not their fault.


Long story short, she did take ownership of my case, and was kind. She said she would look at alternatives in trying to get us to KTM but there are some problems with the Doha airspace, and Qatar are the only ones that fly that route but there are no seats etc. Anyway, at this point in time, I am waiting for an email from her with some options. The situation does not look good at all.


BTW I was able to call the direct overseas number +61396585302 instead of the 1300 number. This decreases the costs significantly when using voip.

Yeah - you've been given the run-around here. You are exactly right in that you have paid for the ticket, and paid to make the change. It appears Qantas was slow to ticket the change and as a result Qatar auto-cancelled the flights (without a ticket number against the flights Qatar would have seen them as unpaid and the system can cancel them).

It is not right, or fair that you are left in this position, and both agents spun you a line that they cannot (or won't) help you. (Not them personally of course... but the Qantas 'policy' they are purporting to implement.)

I would email the CEO your original post and the post above. Both well written, and perhaps that might spur some action (a) for your ticket and (b) a memo to call centre staff and ticketing staff that requests for Qatar airways reissues must be done immediately (not sent to a queue).
 
Thanks again for all the advice. I still have not heard back from my dedicated Qantas contact. I also emailed Alan Joyce last night on what I believe is his email address. I searched online and there were 2 alternatives so I emailed both of them. We will see if anything comes of it. Meanwhile if I don't hear anything by the end of the week, I'll give Qantas another call.
 
This thread has been mentioned in Loyalty Lobby (Reader Question: American Airlines Screws Up Qatar Airlines Award – Who Is Responsible To Fix?)

And I've some previous experience with QR redemptions too, on Asia Miles not QF FF (Flyertalk AM/MPO treatment of dropped segments and QR sharp redemption practices)

QR is the common guilty party to all these cases

(sorry I can't post links, please google the above thread headlines/posts)
 
This thread has been mentioned in Loyalty Lobby (Reader Question: American Airlines Screws Up Qatar Airlines Award – Who Is Responsible To Fix?)

And I've some previous experience with QR redemptions too, on Asia Miles not QF FF (Flyertalk AM/MPO treatment of dropped segments and QR sharp redemption practices)

QR is the common guilty party to all these cases

(sorry I can't post links, please google the above thread headlines/posts)

The common denominator might be Qatar - but that's because Qatar will cancel the bookings if not ticketed. Airlines issuing these tickets should be aware of that and instead of sending the ticket off to a queue, they should proactively manage it.
 
My booking had CX, BA, LA and even JJ in addition to QR. None of the others had a problem when reissuing.

I know long ticketing deadlines can be gamed, and these problems happen to grAAbers ticketing CX also. But 12 hours is more like a trap for unwary redeemers.

Also this seems to be only happen when you're reissuing, not such a big problem when you're redeeming for the first time. It's like QR's unilaterally tearing up our FFP's rules as a condition of travelling on them.
 
My booking had CX, BA, LA and even JJ in addition to QR. None of the others had a problem when reissuing.

I know long ticketing deadlines can be gamed, and these problems happen to grAAbers ticketing CX also. But 12 hours is more like a trap for unwary redeemers.

Also this seems to be only happen when you're reissuing, not such a big problem when you're redeeming for the first time. It's like QR's unilaterally tearing up our FFP's rules as a condition of travelling on them.

That's likely because CA, BA, LA (etc) have more generous policies on their hold times. I think QR is something like 12 or 24 hours, but that's easily accommodated by the issuing airline getting off their butt and reissuing the ticket without delay. In cases where it is a known problem, the issuing airline should take responsibility rather than sending the ticket to a queue for their convenience.

Many years ago there was a similar situation with SQ award seats issued by US Airways. Ticketing had to be quick or SQ cancelled the seats. Those in the know prompted the US airways agent to ticket immediately.
 
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