B789 - worst ever Qantas economy long haul Seats

[BD1959]

I would stay clear of any LCC's then

I do!

Just gotta hope that no one gets any more ideas from French Bee (16 inch wide seats in 10-abreast A350s!), or Air Asia's A330s. Those are real crowded...

But if you're flying Air Asia, Scoot, French Bee - or any airline of that ilk - you are (or should be!!) expecting to be packed like sardines ... you shouldn't expect the same from an airline that reckons it puts millions of dollars into ULR comfort and well being ... unless that "research" is corporate spin for "media junket" and nothing else ...

Regards,

BD

 

[WilsonM]

But if you're flying Air Asia, Scoot, French Bee - or any airline of that ilk - you are (or should be!!) expecting to be packed like sardines ... you shouldn't expect the same from an airline that reckons it puts millions of dollars into ULR comfort and well being ... unless that "research" is corporate spin for "media junket" and nothing else ...

Regards,

BD

I mean Scoot's 787-9 Y configuration is very similar to most full service carriers, maybe an inch or two less legroom. But its still 3-3-3. Same with JQ, while the other way NH has a whole 1 inch more than QF on its 787s in the same config, and its consistently touted as one of the better Y hard products out there.
Of course, claiming any of the LCCs above are what QF is trying to compete against would be pushing it. Whether Qantas is actually at that standard, well, lets not go there...

 

[yachty]

I mean Scoot's 787-9 Y configuration is very similar to most full service carriers, maybe an inch or two less legroom. But its still 3-3-3. Same with JQ, while the other way NH has a whole 1 inch more than QF on its 787s in the same config, and its consistently touted as one of the better Y hard products out there.
Of course, claiming any of the LCCs above are what QF is trying to compete against would be pushing it. Whether Qantas is actually at that standard, well, lets not go there...

I assume it's what you mean, but just to clarify for others the seat width is the same between NH and QF. Seat pitch is the only place you'll find much difference between airlines on the 787, ANA is 34" there but Qantas is 32" (and Scoot 31" and Jetstar 30").

 

[Scozzy]

I once flew LHR-PER in an aisle at the back

I did the PER- LHR last year and have to agree. Never again. I am 5'5"so not very tall and even I found the legroom to be unbearable. And every time I moved the screen would turn on again super bright. 17 hours of hell.
On the return it was the A380 via Singapore and it was like day & night. Literally. So much more legroom, shoulder room, spacious feeling.

 

[stm1sydney]

I mean Scoot's 787-9 Y configuration is very similar to most full service carriers, maybe an inch or two less legroom. But its still 3-3-3. Same with JQ, while the other way NH has a whole 1 inch more than QF on its 787s in the same config, and its consistently touted as one of the better Y hard products out there.
Of course, claiming any of the LCCs above are what QF is trying to compete against would be pushing it. Whether Qantas is actually at that standard, well, lets not go there...

You probably mean Japan Airlines not NH, for the roomy Y seats in B787 (8-across). But yeah, Scoot on a 787 is about on the same level with QF product- and service-wise, but about one-third the price even after paying for meals and lounge access.

 

[downgraded]

even I found the legroom to be unbearable.

Yet a tape measure would show the a380 seat is wider than the 787 but has less legroom.

 

[Dr Ralph]

Just adding two cents on my most recent and possibly worst ever Qantas economy long haul from Sydney to Dallas on a 757-9. That 9 seat across is a killer - there was so little space that I could barely eat the lacklustre meal because I couldn't move my arms without elbowing my neighbour. The service was interesting as well. I will ensure to check the plane configuration before I book another long haul because this was seriously pokey and unpleasant.

The Dreamliner to Dallas is a disgrace. The A380 is desperately needed on this route.

 

[WilsonM]

You probably mean Japan Airlines not NH, for the roomy Y seats in B787 (8-across). But yeah, Scoot on a 787 is about on the same level with QF product- and service-wise, but about one-third the price even after paying for meals and lounge access.

Sorry, as @yachty pointed out, I didn't clarify that I was talking about the seat pitch, not width. My point was that the seats on NH are the same width as QF, but have 1 more inch legroom and are therefore considered by some to be industry leading. It's all a matter of perspective.

The JL 787 seats are just a different league, when talking about economy seats at least ;P

 

[JohnK]

Any discussion of economy seats - good or bad - needs to prefaced by peoples height and width/frame.

Somebody who is 5'4 and petite framed saying the love an economy seat is meaningless if you are 6' and broad shouldered.

True but then not every 5'8" person is the same either and every flight is different.

I don't usually look at the figures the airlines quote for width or pitch. Some seats are thick. Some seats thin.

For me it goes something like this

747-A380-A330-787-A350

I knew I did not have to worry about economy on the first 2 aircraft and tried to avoid the A330.

Now I worry about the economy on the last 2 aircraft and try to choose the A330.

I've tried the QF 787 a few times and it's much better than JQ 787 or Scoot 787.

I've tried the QF A330 many times and it's much better than the SQ A330.

I've now tried the SQ A350 a few times and I'm terrified but don't hold much hope for the QF version. I feel like slipping off the seat. I hate the fixed recline.

I used to look forward to doing 5-6 trips a year to Thailand. Now we only do 2, possibly 3, trips a year and the only saving grace is that 3 of us sit together. I'm not looking forward to the flying experience as the expectation is very low and getting lower.

 

[Kendall Roy]

The Dreamliner to Dallas is a disgrace. The A380 is desperately needed on this route.

Hard sell when they had to block off so many seats on the QF8 A380 return due to load. As a Y pax, it was bliss!

Now, I'd prefer to go via LAX in Y on QF11, which says something!

 

[ronlon]

I have heard flight attendants complaining of the narrowness of a 9 abreast B787 when it comes to dealing with meal/drinks in the narrow aisle.

 

[kangarooflyer88]

Hard sell when they had to block off so many seats on the QF8 A380 return due to load. As a Y pax, it was bliss!

That's probably a good reason why QF moved to a 789 from the A380 as they could have it fully loaded to/from DFW no doubt saving money in the process.

Now, I'd prefer to go via LAX in Y on QF11, which says something!

I'd prefer to go via LAX in any event. Way more lounges at LAX than DFW and everything is super quick from immigration to security (provided of course you've got Global Entry).

-RooFlyer88

 

[SYD]

I'd prefer to go via LAX in any event. Way more lounges at LAX than DFW and everything is super quick from immigration to security (provided of course you've got Global Entry).

Which very few Oz passport holders do. So not great advice for AFF - maybe over on FT.

Anyway, apart from QF you're still likely to get 9 or 10 abreast B787s non-stop over the Pacific.

 

[Daver6]

I'd prefer to go via LAX in any event. Way more lounges at LAX than DFW and everything is super quick from immigration to security (provided of course you've got Global Entry).

-RooFlyer88

Quick Google suggests DFW has 18 and LAX 21. I frequently find on my layovers that I'm desperately after that 19th lounge having exhausted my time in the prior 18. LAX it is for me in future! Helpful hint

</tongue in cheek>

 

[RichardMEL]

OT, but as a non GE and scumbag oz passport holder I find DFW (and IAH too) much quicker and easier ports to enter the US than crowded crazy LAX (or SFO). Anecdotal for sure, and afternoon arrivals into the Texas cities from AU/NZ help in my experience, but LAX in the early morning is a zoo, even if you get off your inbound near the front, you usually have a slew of other arrivals clogging things up (The APC's helped a great deal but my last few times in they haven't been available). I would note perhaps 1/5 arrivals into LAX over the years on QF have sailed through with an empty-ish CBR lobby, but that's been pretty rare for me at least.

 

[Kendall Roy]

Which very few Oz passport holders do. So not great advice for AFF - maybe over on FT.

Anyway, apart from QF you're still likely to get 9 or 10 abreast B787s non-stop over the Pacific.

10 abreast 787?

I'd walk off!

 

[downgraded]

The Dreamliner to Dallas is a disgrace

In what way? It has the same J seat as the A380 and I'm sure you're no further back than that .

 

[SYD]

10 abreast 787?

I'd walk off!

Yes, I would also. 10 abreast was meant to be whatever 777s are still plying the skies across the Pacific.

 

[Kendall Roy]

If I was in J, I'd walk off in sympathy for Y pax

 

[Daver6]

In what way? It has the same J seat as the A380 and I'm sure you're no further back than that .

No it's not. It's narrower but more legroom.