Beware the business bogan

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Interesting piece, certainly rings true when it comes to events and no shows in each city!

To the bloke in Row 27 on QF 417 last Tuesday: poor form, son, poor form - only the ignorant, the boorish, the self-obsessed or the totally bogan tilt back an economy seat on a domestic flight when there is someone behind them.

And a decent chap or chappette thinks twice about it in business class as well.

The invitations go out, RSVPs are received or, very often the invitation is chased up and an acceptance to attend is received.
And in Sydney you can generally rely on a no-show rate of around 25 per cent. Melbourne used to be better, but talk to conference organisers and you'll find the Victorians have become as crass and careless as their Sin City siblings.

 
It's behaviour that is more rarely experienced in Brisbane, Perth and Adelaide. Brisbanites in particular can be relied to keep their word - possibly part of Queenslanders being innately superior to self-important southerners.

Purrrlease :)


 
Guilty as charged !
I recline my Economy seats, thats why they have a recline button
 
"boorish" would seem to describe the author of the piece fairly well.

My favourite comment was
"the seat pitch hasn't changed, the businessmen have gotten fatter!"
 
It's not the gentle reclining of the seat, either part or all the way, that's the problem IMHO - it's slamming it fully back without warning that is.
 
Guilty as charged !
I recline my Economy seats, thats why they have a recline button


Fully concur. I'm upright as soon as I see the meal cart. Outside of dining on any flight over 3 hours I'm reclining.
 
its time to hand in your man card Pascoe

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Harden up Pascoe!
There is no 'unwritten rule' about reclining, the only rule is not to recline during take off/decent-landings and meal times.

I love this comment....
I have a foolproof way of ensuring that this is remedied post haste. As the person in front of you starts to recline their seat, shift your backside forward and firmly plant your feet on the ground to lock the position of your knees as high as they will go. As the person in front of you reclines, your knees will go firmly into their lower back. I have never had someone in from of me who can sustain the uncomfortable pressure in their lower back for more than a couple of minutes and they bring their seat back to the verticle position. Give it a try - even a short person can achieve this effect.CommenterAct RationallyL
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Try that one with me buddy, we'll see what happens.....
 
Personally I am a non recliner on the short stuff.

However if someone wants to recline, as long as they do it in a courteous manner, i.e check before they recline that they are not crushing your laptop and have it in the upright position for take off and landing, then that's perfectly acceptable.

They might not feel well, they may need a sleep, they may have a bad back, or they may just want to kick back and relax, either way if they want to good luck to them.

there is no unwritten stonecutters code with a secret handshake for those of us who travel all the time, but what we have done is worked out ways to get by, and to even avoid situations such as this. :)

So Mr Pascoe, drink a glass of concrete, harden the heck up and learn the tricks (or spend some of your "journalist" money and fly J.)
 
Wish I got paid for having a cough about something, some days I would be a millionaire :lol:
 
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Harden up Pascoe!
There is no 'unwritten rule' about reclining, the only rule is not to recline during take off/decent-landings and meal times.

I love this comment....

Try that one with me buddy, we'll see what happens.....

Of course if it was me I wouldn't have to shift my backside forward and you do not have permission to perform an amputation onboard.
Fortunately I am unlikely to be sitting behind you in Y.
 
If you are 1.9m and don't like the product then don't purchase it. Vote with your money and move up the front.
 
Whilst I agree that stating you will be somewhere and then do a no-show is beyond rudeness and a good way to ensure you never get invites from me again, the rest is a little incoherent whinge fest. What was he complaining about? People who fail to turn up to drinks \ lunches when invited? People who recline their seats? Or just anyone in this world that Mr Pascoe just doesn't quite agree with right now when the moon is in this phase?
 
If you are 1.9m and don't like the product then don't purchase it. Vote with your money and move up the front.
You could add that if you have an absolute need to recline on a short sector then vote with your money and move up the front.This is as equally true as your example.
 
Whilst I agree that stating you will be somewhere and then do a no-show is beyond rudeness and a good way to ensure you never get invites from me again, the rest is a little incoherent whinge fest. What was he complaining about? People who fail to turn up to drinks \ lunches when invited? People who recline their seats? Or just anyone in this world that Mr Pascoe just doesn't quite agree with right now when the moon is in this phase?

Perhaps he is trying to rationalize possibly declining numbers that show for his talks? His point about the costs of saying you will show then dont is lost in the hyperbole, and it's a good point, those conference room packages are never cheap, one roadshow I did to all capital cities had a budget of $150k which included being served cucumber sandwiches at one venue (the same venue I am going to this afternoon, hope they have changed the menu!)
 
We had a Posh bogan on our last flight which happened to be in business. (Only time I get to travel in business is when I have enough points). An afternoon flight Sydney - Adelaide, so 90 mins tops. Of course the seat flew back onto my mother's lap immediately the sign went off and stayed that way throughout the flight. Slept through the snack service then woke up and wanted his meal. Then complained about the quality and surely there was something else he could have. I do feel sorry for attendants who have to pander to such jerks. Then the two announcements - preparing to land, turn off devices, put up seats etc. Totally ignored both of them and then the attendants were all buckled up. His seat was still fully reclined into my mother. I leant forward, at most five minutes to landing and it was bumpy over the Adelaide hills, and asked him to put his seat up. He turned around and said "Please would be nice". To which I replied "So would be obeying the Captains orders". Then, on landing, in his window seat, he jumped up and pushed across the person sitting in the aisle and had his locker opened before the seat belt sign had gone off (although we were just about to engage the ramp). Next thing, he had pushed his way to be the first off (past rows one and two).

It worries me that the younger generation have such a view of their world that they can toss aside anyone else. And if they have some money, well, they seem to think they have the right.
 
Whilst I agree that stating you will be somewhere and then do a no-show is beyond rudeness and a good way to ensure you never get invites from me again, the rest is a little incoherent whinge fest. What was he complaining about? People who fail to turn up to drinks \ lunches when invited? People who recline their seats? Or just anyone in this world that Mr Pascoe just doesn't quite agree with right now when the moon is in this phase?

Agreed! What a bizarre article. What does reclining have to do with being a bogan? And what does non attendance at conferences have to do with either reclining or being a bogan? I'm confused :confused:

It's like Mr Pascoe was scratching for ideas for his column, and found a couple of old scraps of paper in his wallet with a few unrelated words written on them.
 
Let me understand this - the article has 2 core points.

1. Just because a seat has the ability to tilt, it doesn't mean it has to
and
2. Accepting and confirming that you will attend a catered event and then not showing up is rude

Does any fool want to argue with me about these two points, because I'm just in the mood(y).
 
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