Big B@%$ard in my allocated seat! What would you do?

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Re: First status run kicking off soon. Qantas lady thought I was playing a joke on he

I wouldn't have told him that he was in the wrong seat - I would have told him he was on the wrong airline.

And then I probably would have run away....

Run away ........ Off the aircraft, just down the back or into the loo???
 
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If someone else is sitting in my seat. First I make sure I have the right seat. Then I will ask them are they sitting in the right seat. I have even had the situation where both I and the person in my seat had a valid boarding pass for it. For all you know for some reason the cabin crew might have told the person to sit in that seat for some reason. It is the cabin crew's job to either move the person in that seat or to move you to a new seat. If you just sit in a free seat that is just shifting the problem. There might have been someone else assigned to the seat you choose to sit in.

It seems to happen relatively often that people sit in the wrong seat. Sometimes people are just confused or inexperienced flying they don't know where they should be sitting. Others just see a seat they like and sit in it.

The person's appearance although intimidating to you, this should not be a problem. Cabin crew are trained to handle difficult customers and have to deal with them quite often.

I have seen a few times, during boarding, that cabin crew have noticed someone sitting in a business class seat that should be vacant and gone up to them and asked "can I please see your boarding pass?". Ideally the crew should have noticed that you were sitting in a seat that should be vacant and investigated to see what was going on then got the full story. But boarding is a very busy time and I think they can be forgiven for missing it.
 
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Markis is correct, the person in question is a self upgrader.

I would have made mention of this much earlier, instead of just sitting down.

As for the Customer Service in the lounge, I am curious as to what you think they could do then and there? In this day and age, it is probably best that you complete the feedback electronically, as at least there is record of it.

Bit awkward about flying back the next day with the same crew:lol:
 
Re: First status run kicking off soon. Qantas lady thought I was playing a joke on he

Whilst I doubt this is what happened in this case, for a little while there I was ending up in 14F repeatably, to the point that I would simply walk along the aisle and turn left at the exit rows. One afternoon I was on total autopilot (it'd been a long day, and only so many brewskis one can consume in the QP and still drive home on), and sat down at 14F as I normally do and got settled in. After a few minutes I got the "I think you are sitting in my seat" from a pax in the aisle. Sure enough when I checked my boarding pass I was actually in 14A.

Complete accident, it was simply because I had sat there so many times in recent past (inc the flight that morning) that it didn't click that I was sitting in the wrong seat.
 
As for the Customer Service in the lounge, I am curious as to what you think they could do then and there? In this day and age, it is probably best that you complete the feedback electronically, as at least there is record of it.

Bit awkward about flying back the next day with the same crew:lol:

I would expect them to pass on the report to the customer service department. All those feedback forms that you fill out online end up forwarding to an email address. This address as well as relevant phone numbers would all be on the internal staff directory. As a premium customer I would expect premium customer service, the desk at the lounge is a "Service Desk" for premium customers.

To be completely honest with you the only way i seem to get a customer service response from Qantas is when i tweet them.

I recently had an issue when I was traveling with a group of people and we had 21 bags checked in, all members in the group were SG or higher. Upon arrival at the location 16 of the 21 bags did not make it, furthermore I had received a phone call from a colleague in a different port who was calling to advise he saw one of my bags (distinguished by a certain type of tag) sitting on his carousel. After spending 45 minutes on the phone to baggage in Sydney as well as dealing with the people on ground at the airport there was no resolutions at all. I then used my phone to tweet Qantas, the tweet then got re-tweeted but a group with a large twitter following and Qantas account got inundated by re-tweets. I recieved a phone call 5 minutes later from customer service advising they were aware of the issue and working fast to resolve it, we spoke about an immediate resolution should the bags not arrive and they actually advised they would pay an ammount of money if the lost bags resulted in me having to buy/hire items (the bags that were lost were mainly pieces equipment for a concert). To cut a long story short the bags arrived 2.5 hours later and all worked out ok.

1 week later I received a phone call from a very high level executive at Qantas om the executive relations department. She said that she had been made aware of the situation and it was completely unacceptable about how it was dealt with on the day etc. She advised that should I ever have any future problems I should deal direct with her office and she also gave me her personal mobile number, she advised I would receive a letter in the mail in the coming days with an offer of compensation for the incident.

3 days later a letter from Qantas landed on my desk with a large bold heading saying "We're Sorry!". It referred to the situation and advised that enclosed was a certificate for a international return space available upgrade from Y to J for myself and a guest to be used at anytime within a 12 month period. It went into detail saying that if I did not receive it on selected flights it would continue to remain valid until the upgrades were successful. There was a ref # and advice to call her office directly when I wanted to use it within 7 days of the specified flights.

Im happy to say that I was successful with using these upgrades, more so I had a single JFK - LAX sector that was overbooked any they could only put me in PE for that leg. The end result of this was Qantas offering me another one way intl business class upgrade.

Note: I have had several minor issues since this incident but I have not contacted her or that department as I don't want to waste there time with small problems.
 
Re: First status run kicking off soon. Qantas lady thought I was playing a joke on he

Run away ........ Off the aircraft, just down the back or into the loo???

Wasn't there a Seinfield episode similar to this, with George hiding in the lavatory during the flight?
 
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So there was someone in your allocated seat (2A) but 2B was available? No big inconvenience to sit in 2B (which would have defused the situation immediately) I would have thought - especially on such a short haul flight. Or can I speculate and suggest that it seems you, like most people, would probably feel equally intimidated by any bikie no matter where you ran into one? It's natural for most people to feel vulnerable in those situations because of their reputation for violence. No good feeling indignant that a FA didn't ride in on a white horse to evict him - after all, you still had a J seat and didn't have to sit in Y.

Could I pose this scenario......? What if you were in 2A and the bikie had legitimately booked into 2B? I'm guessing you would not have felt any better because his mere presence was what made you feel so uncomfortable rather than losing your seat.
 
Re: First status run kicking off soon. Qantas lady thought I was playing a joke on he

The problem with sitting in the "2B's" of the world is that you don't know if you are then going to be confronted by a PAX holding a 2B BP. Aside from that, maybe the OP wanted that window seat for a reason.
 
Re: First status run kicking off soon. Qantas lady thought I was playing a joke on he

So there was someone in your allocated seat (2A) but 2B was available? No big inconvenience to sit in 2B (which would have defused the situation immediately) I would have thought - especially on such a short haul flight. Or can I speculate and suggest that it seems you, like most people, would probably feel equally intimidated by any bikie no matter where you ran into one? It's natural for most people to feel vulnerable in those situations because of their reputation for violence. No good feeling indignant that a FA didn't ride in on a white horse to evict him - after all, you still had a J seat and didn't have to sit in Y.

Could I pose this scenario......? What if you were in 2A and the bikie had legitimately booked into 2B? I'm guessing you would not have felt any better because his mere presence was what made you feel so uncomfortable rather than losing your seat.

I could see as soon as i sat down he was holding a ticket to 42E. To be honest with you, if he was legitimately sitting next to me I wouldnt have had an issue at all, i likely would have struck up conversation with him. What made me uneasy was the situation I was put in where I knew he shouldn't have been sitting there and it was my seat and I didnt want to have to deal with this person should they become upset that i had "dobbed them in" so to speak.
 
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The problem with sitting in the "2B's" of the world is that you don't know if you are then going to be confronted by a PAX holding a 2B BP. Aside from that, maybe the OP wanted that window seat for a reason.

I sat in 2B for around 25mins until I was able to get up once the plane had leveled out. My immediate thought was to sit in 2B as i knew when i checked in it was empty and therefore the FA's should have realized there was a passenger in 2B and confronted me, this would have resolved the issue straight away without the person thinking I had anything to do with his removal.
 
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The problem with sitting in the "2B's" of the world is that you don't know if you are then going to be confronted by a PAX holding a 2B BP. Aside from that, maybe the OP wanted that window seat for a reason.

Indeed, it might lead to a knock-on effect of a string of people all sitting not where they're meant to be unless some unlucky sod has nowhere else to go.

I haven't seen any cases of deliberate self-upgraders personally and and the wrong seating I've seen has been accidental. I think I'm starting to get to know the cabins but i always check my pass a few times as I've been proven wrong... and I read somewhere here that a passenger accidentally kicked a person out of their rightful seat I think. (Haven't quite managed that myself yet)
 
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I could see as soon as i sat down he was holding a ticket to 42E. To be honest with you, if he was legitimately sitting next to me I wouldnt have had an issue at all, i likely would have struck up conversation with him. What made me uneasy was the situation I was put in where I knew he shouldn't have been sitting there and it was my seat and I didnt want to have to deal with this person should they become upset that i had "dobbed them in" so to speak.

Although it may not have been the case your circumstance, there are cases where a passenger would legitimately be sitting in a seat that does not match their boarding pass. The CSM has some leeway to move passengers around. For example on Air NZ once I was assigned the same seat as another passenger. We both had boarding passes for the same seat. The FA went away to work out what happened, I was moved forward to a business class seat even though I still had my old boarding pass.

Another case on a Qantas domestic the woman next to me had her seat belt somehow stuck under the seat. FA could not get it unstuck, the only free seat was in business class so she was moved there and I believe she still had her old boarding pass.

Granted they are rare situations but it does happen.
 
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I would expect them to pass on the report to the customer service department. All those feedback forms that you fill out online end up forwarding to an email address. This address as well as relevant phone numbers would all be on the internal staff directory. As a premium customer I would expect premium customer service, the desk at the lounge is a "Service Desk" for premium customers.
And I bet you would be complaining should they do this, and misinterpret / not put your complaint in the way you would like.
 
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Although it may not have been the case your circumstance, there are cases where a passenger would legitimately be sitting in a seat that does not match their boarding pass. The CSM has some leeway to move passengers around. For example on Air NZ once I was assigned the same seat as another passenger. We both had boarding passes for the same seat. The FA went away to work out what happened, I was moved forward to a business class seat even though I still had my old boarding pass.

Another case on a Qantas domestic the woman next to me had her seat belt somehow stuck under the seat. FA could not get it unstuck, the only free seat was in business class so she was moved there and I believe she still had her old boarding pass.

Granted they are rare situations but it does happen.

I've been moved after boarding into a spare seat, but only after everyone involved had discussed the matter and everyone was happy with the outcome.
 
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I've been moved after boarding into a spare seat, but only after everyone involved had discussed the matter and everyone was happy with the outcome.

If someone is sitting in your seat, I think you do the polite "I think that's my seat" but if the response is like the OP got then it's straight to the FA's to sort out.
 
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Sorry to hear about your recent experience.

Sometimes mistakes can happen even with regular frequent flyers. On Friday I was convinced I was in 2D (the bulkhead on a DHC-400) and I even asked the business lounge reception if the available seat was the bulkhead row and felt extremely embarassed to tell the person in 2D that I thought they were sitting in my seat. I was the last to board and 2A was vacant which was indeed the seat on my boarding pass.

I did not even listen to the FA when she greeted me with row 2 on your right. :oops:
 
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I haven't bothered reading all the pages, but, you should have just stood by your assignment seat (creating a traffic jam?), FA's come to solve problem, show your boarding pass. Problem solved. No need to get embarrassed or intimidated. As they say, don't judge a book by its cover.
 
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I generally agree with the adage 'don't judge a book by it's cover'.

But when the cover shows a massive bikie with a bad attitude and blood on his tattooed knuckles, I'm happy to conclude that the book probably isn't a feelgood story with a happy ending. Blood on knuckles = big giveaway.

Otherwise, I think OWP2's advice makes sense. It's what I probably would've done.
 
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Re: First status run kicking off soon. Qantas lady thought I was playing a joke on he

Even I would have called the CSM.No way should anyone get away with this.He was hardly going to cause a public fracas on a plane and as he was in 42E I would know I would be long gone by the time he deplaned.
 
Re: First status run kicking off soon. Qantas lady thought I was playing a joke on he

I generally agree with the adage 'don't judge a book by it's cover'.

But when the cover shows a massive bikie with a bad attitude and blood on his tattooed knuckles, I'm happy to conclude that the book probably isn't a feelgood story with a happy ending. Blood on knuckles = big giveaway.

Otherwise, I think OWP2's advice makes sense. It's what I probably would've done.

freepyjames, as l have done a bit of FIFO work in WA (a few years ago now) I wouldn't hesitate in asking someone sitting my seat to move. I've seen my fair share of shoddy/doggy people. Nothing to be scared of, blood on knuckles or not...
 
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