Boeing mulls bigger Dreamliner

[Nigelinoz]

http://www.smh.com.au/business/world-business/boeing-mulls-bigger-dreamliner-20110620-1gak7.html

Boeing is leaning toward a bigger version of the 787 Dreamliner as the US company seeks to out-maneuver Airbus SAS in a widebody jetliner market it reckons will be worth almost $US2 trillion over the next 20 years.
The 787-10 could enter service by 2016, Jim Albaugh, Boeing’s commercial airplanes chief, said yesterday ahead of the Paris Air Show. That would provide competition for Airbus’s A350-900 and steal a march on the larger A350-1000, which won’t be ready until 2017, according to a schedule announced June 18.

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Cheers
N'oz

 

[samh004]

I love how they're giving themselves 5 years to pull this off. As if all the recent delays couldn't happen again.

 

[Nigelinoz]

I love how they're giving themselves 5 years to pull this off. As if all the recent delays couldn't happen again.

I think they have the view that they have worked through the engineering issues with the 787 and therefore they should be able to do it in a 5 year
time frame,but I agree with you that they need to ensure that the delays to the first model in the 787 range don't happen again.
Anyway it's only an idea at the moment and they may not even decide to do it,guess we just have to wait and see.
Cheers
N'oz

 

[The Rok]

Given the distance it is now travelling I would love to see this plane do anywhere in Australia direct non stop to somewhere in the UK, not necessarily LHR.

Boeing 787 Dreamliner smashes distance and sets speed records | CNNGo.com

 

[moa999]

i thought it was always planned with a -10 variant.

 

[elbarto]

It's just a stretch of the existing 787 design. 5 years should be plenty as they shouldn't encounter the same issues again.


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[elbarto]

Given the distance it is now travelling I would love to see this plane do anywhere in Australia direct non stop to somewhere in the UK, not necessarily LHR.

Boeing 787 Dreamliner smashes distance and sets speed records | CNNGo.com

You have to wonder what weight they were carrying. If it had been stripped out and only carrying crew and essential equipment dong it is pretty easy. The numbers are impressive but if they're not doing with a typical commercial payload then airlines wont take any interest in them.


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[The Rok]

You have to wonder what weight they were carrying. If it had been stripped out and only carrying crew and essential equipment dong it is pretty easy. The numbers are impressive but if they're not doing with a typical commercial payload then airlines wont take any interest in them.


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PER-LHR is only 16,000KM. If they did over 19,000KM's then surely with a full load of passengers and fuel it would be viable to do this route. I asked the question before and was told that is was not viable financially but SQ does Singapore to Newark non stop which is a similar distance and it is viable for them.

 

[docjames]

PER-LHR is only 16,000KM. If they did over 19,000KM's then surely with a full load of passengers and fuel it would be viable to do this route. I asked the question before and was told that is was not viable financially but SQ does Singapore to Newark non stop which is a similar distance and it is viable for them.

SIN-NYC can fill an all J A345 (~ just over 100 J seats iirc)

Would you fill 100J seats ex-PER to LHR every day?


Dont forget the actual distance vs the equivalent still air distance (factoring in prevailing winds etc).

No way known this was done with a commercial-type loading.

 

[The Rok]

Well incidentally I am planning that Singapore to Newark flight mid next year as a way of getting to Miami. Been doing some research on it and it looks like a comfortable flight. Not sure I will pick it but its one of my options.

 

[codash1099]

Easy to claim a record when there were no previous figures for an aircraft in this class. I create records every day I live.

 

[Sprucegoose]

Given the distance it is now travelling I would love to see this plane do anywhere in Australia direct non stop to somewhere in the UK, not necessarily LHR.

Boeing 787 Dreamliner smashes distance and sets speed records | CNNGo.com

Yes and please bypass the middle east!

 

[Sprucegoose]

Well incidentally I am planning that Singapore to Newark flight mid next year as a way of getting to Miami. Been doing some research on it and it looks like a comfortable flight. Not sure I will pick it but its one of my options.

Can you connect Newark to MIA? I've heard it's not the best place to get from.

 

[Simo]

Bigger planes and longer distances are always great because hopefully this can keep prices down and make and keep airlines profitable.

But then it takes longer to get on and off the flight and also less and less airports can have the bigger planes landing at them.

 

[The Rok]

Can you connect Newark to MIA? I've heard it's not the best place to get from.

No matter where I land, be it East or West coast I will spend a few days just relaxing and then get a flight down to Miami. So if I am in New York then I will just go from JFK. This is not my preferred option as I am not fond of New York. I would rather head east and go to LAX and spend a few days, but will see what works out best for me.

 

[Awesom Andy]

Bigger planes and longer distances are always great because hopefully this can keep prices down and make and keep airlines profitable.

Quite the opposite, actually. It's harder to fill a bigger plane, and longer distances usually means you are carrying more fuel instead of freight even if there is a marked gain in efficiency with new models. You'll also need to take an extra set of crew for those ultra-long-haul flights.

 

[The Rok]

Quite the opposite, actually. It's harder to fill a bigger plane, and longer distances usually means you are carrying more fuel instead of freight even if there is a marked gain in efficiency with new models. You'll also need to take an extra set of crew for those ultra-long-haul flights.

Which is what as we move into the future speed will be a huge factor. The quicker the plane can get there the potential for lower running sots increases. It also means the possibility of not having to have a 2nd crew. How long can a crew work for on one flight anyway? Isn't there a 16 or 17 hour flight somewhere? PER-LHR would be no more than that surely?

 

[elbarto]

Which is what as we move into the future speed will be a huge factor. The quicker the plane can get there the potential for lower running sots increases. It also means the possibility of not having to have a 2nd crew. How long can a crew work for on one flight anyway? Isn't there a 16 or 17 hour flight somewhere? PER-LHR would be no more than that surely?

The technology for faster flights to be done economically isn't there yet. Most commercial airliners are capable of flying over mach .95, which is pushing the sound barrier. I don't think we'll see fast, ULH flights until, or if, the technology for sub-orbtial flights comes along, which is basically dependent on a new engine that requires minimal to no air to function. Until that time, an airline will need two crews to operate ULH flights safely.

 

[Sprucegoose]

Quite the opposite, actually. It's harder to fill a bigger plane, and longer distances usually means you are carrying more fuel instead of freight even if there is a marked gain in efficiency with new models. You'll also need to take an extra set of crew for those ultra-long-haul flights.

And the question Boeing aked was he many cities outside of china and inda have populations more than 5 million.

There are a lot less than you think!!


Someone please have a go.

London, Tokyo, Sydney, newyork los angles, Essen, Rome, ............st Petersburg?

 

[lovestotravel]

Given the distance it is now travelling I would love to see this plane do anywhere in Australia direct non stop to somewhere in the UK, not necessarily LHR.

Boeing 787 Dreamliner smashes distance and sets speed records | CNNGo.com

Sorry, but this is pointless.

The plane would not have been carrying any real weight

Get back to us when Boeing pull their finger out and actually announce the 787-10

Boeing has really let themselves be the follower instead of the market leader recently. The A320neo launch blew Boeing out of the water, so much so that AA ordered A320's.....