Booming Chinese airlines offer bargain business flights to Europe

[markis10]

Yes, that looks pretty good. Which route?

Still wouldn't convince me to go to Europe via China on a Chinese airline.

CAN-CDG with CZ in J

 

[RooFlyer]

Why? Can’t be worse than QF.

Cost Business fare of 14K compared to 6K would have got me thinking. Especially if cash is tight. And need for luxury is importent.

Both thinking Qantas is the alternative. Would NEVER pay QF's ludicrous pricing for the quality of their product. See post #14. SQ day flight Award, then QSuites. A$6.5K MEL-CDG.

 

[elanshin]

Not really fair to compare Award prices to fully paid, but point taken. My main routing these days is SQ award to SIN & return, then QR revenue to Europe and return to SIN. About A$6K total cash outlay on 1st tier airlines.

It's not, but it is at the same time "cash paid" fare. Just treating as a super sale. Let's just say i have earnt very little Aeroplan points, but i have used quite a bit.

 

[marki]

Locally, according to data published by Air Services Australia, the average daily service flown by China Southern and China Eastern increased by 38 per cent and 29 per cent, respectively. According to the national aviation agency, those carriers flew more daily services than Qatar Airways, Malaysia Airlines, and United Airlines in December.

 

[Gold Member]

Sorry im deliberately not spelling it out in exact detail. These are the kinds of things I don't necessarily want to end up on blogs. There should be enough information there to piece together with some basic maths involved.

Appreciate your desire to keep some things less visible, @elanshin. The less the broader market knows the better, especially the numerous American “Bloggers” seeking that extra click for the extra 0.001c to highlight their greed.

But what you’re referring to is hardly a secret among those who follow different FF programs. There are some blogs that spell this out in sufficient detail to make it relevant to Aussies.

 

[marki]

Appreciate your desire to keep some things less visible, @elanshin. The less the broader market knows the better, especially the numerous American “Bloggers” seeking that extra click for the extra 0.001c to highlight their greed.

But what you’re referring to is hardly a secret among those who follow different FF programs. There are some blogs that spell this out in sufficient detail to make it relevant to Aussies.

Maybe the visibility of AFF is higher in the market?

 

[marki]

The rival loyalty program that could spell trouble for Qantas — Herald Sun.

Does anybody care to read this on the Apple News forum ( Herald Sun Article)

The Australian addiction to earning and retaining Platinum and beyond is a wonder to other airlines worldwide. It's why it is hard for me to give it up; they know it. But several more hits, like a P1 being treated worse than a Bronze or no status flyer, and bye-bye. It might just be around the corner.

People will pay significantly more to fly on Qantas – particularly if from the corporate or taxpayer's wallet – just for the exclusivity of being in the club (and no, not the tin horn Qantas Club). Its offering is compelling.

When flying internationally, Platinum, Platinum One and Chairman's Lounge travellers get priority boarding and use of the Qantas First Class lounge, with food from a special Neil Perry menu, champagne to the brim and even complimentary LaGaia spa treatments at Sydney and Melbourne lounges.

 

[SYD]

Both thinking Qantas is the alternative. Would NEVER pay QF's ludicrous pricing for the quality of their product. See post #14. SQ day flight Award, then QSuites. A$6.5K MEL-CDG.

I’m just back from Europe for ~A$4k + pts. QF J CRs to/from Asia (plus I earned SCs as PC) and then QR J open jaw (in this case MUC/BCN, a few months ago it was MAD/AMS for about the same).

Each trip earned about 1/3 towards retaining WP.

No, I definitely wouldn’t pay QF Oz to Europe at the moment (but neither would I pay for QR, EY, EK, BA, CX, SQ etc). They’ll all gouging the Oz market at the moment.

That post Covid demand for J everywhere is still strong. As an aside, flying BA whY LGW-AGP, they had 55 CE PAX on an A321! The curtain moved all the way down to row 16. Crazy.

 

[marki]

I’m just back from Europe for ~A$4k + pts. QF J CRs to/from Asia (plus I earned SCs as PC) and then QR J open jaw (in this case MUC/BCN, a few months ago it was MAD/AMS for about the same).

Each trip earned about 1/3 towards retaining WP.

No, I definitely wouldn’t pay QF Oz to Europe at the moment (but neither would I pay for QR, EY, EK, BA, CX, SQ etc). They’ll all gouging the Oz market at the moment.

That post Covid demand for J everywhere is still strong. As an aside, flying BA whY LGW-AGP, they had 55 CE PAX on an A321! The curtain moved all the way down to row 16. Crazy.

Wow, thanks for the frank discussion. Yes, I have seen BA Business flights that shift the curtain down when flying LHR-BER and Back to accommodate the overly full business bookings that day or any other day.