Building a stronger Qantas

[Kendall Roy]

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[JohnPhelan]

I'll wait to see the updates on this page which currently states that ASA seats can only be booked on QF/JQ flights with QF/JQ flight numbers.

Frequent Flyer - Using Points - Qantas & Jetstar Any Seat Awards

Yes, but this includes codeshares on partner airlines - i.e. you can book an ASA on a BA flight ex BKK, SIN or LHR because these are codeshare flights - they have a QF flight number.

I just did a dummy ASA booking and I get several BA possibilities, but they list with the QF codeshare flight number.

So you can book an ASA on a BA flight now - don't panic!

 

[JohnPhelan]

Will QFF members get the full benefits of their status on this new Qwontarse based somewhere in Asia?

Already answered earlier in the the thread by Red Roo - yes, full QF status benefits and redemptions.

It would really unclog this thread if people read the earlier posts before asking questions about things already answered earlier.

 

[awilcockson]

I just did a dummy ASA booking and I get several BA possibilities, but they list with the QF codeshare flight number.

So you can book an ASA on a BA flight now - don't panic!

Can you do a points upgrade on them?

And I wonder if the new "all flights are BA flights" flights will carry QF codeshare flight numbers, or always just use the BA number, thereby removing the ability to book as an ASA?

 

[awilcockson]

Already answered earlier in the the thread by Red Roo - yes, full QF status benefits and redemptions.

What hasn't been answered is if this will be free or an extra cost ala JetStar?

 

[wandering_fred]

What hasn't been answered is if this will be free or an extra cost ala JetStar?

Nor the question of whether Qantasia will be a full member of the One World Alliance with all member benefits honoured.

Secondarily whether Jetstar in all its forms will ever be an affiliate member of One World.

Fred

 

[JohnPhelan]

And I wonder if the new "all flights are BA flights" flights will carry QF codeshare flight numbers, or always just use the BA number, thereby removing the ability to book as an ASA?

Under the JSA (Joint Services Agreement) between BA and QF on the Kangaroo route, all flights between Australia and LHR are available under both BA and QF flight numbers. So the BA flights all have a QF codeshare number, and vice versa. The JSA is going to continue, so the codesharing and ASA arrangements will too.

 

[medhead]

What hasn't been answered is if this will be free or an extra cost ala JetStar?

Red Roo did reply to that question today. Not sure if it answered the question but there was a reply.

 

[RSD]

The exact details for the new airline are still being worked out but the plan is for QFF benefits to carry across.

Cheers,
Red Roo

Cheers RedRoo - I may be able to use the new airline.

Hopefully sometime in the future there will be a way for my to take Jetstar flights and have those QFF benefits carry across as well. Being able to earn points and status credits is a start, but currently I'm still forced to use Air Asia for quite a number of trips in Asia due to them having generous baggage allowances and not being able to get my QFF baggage allowances on Jetstar.

 

[Deleted User]

Ahhhhh Bob Katter

Says exactly how I feel...

Outspoken independent MP Bob Katter has called the Qantas board a "bunch of brainless coughs"

Katter calls Qantas board "coughs"

 

[pauly7]

Ahhhhh Bob Katter

Says exactly how I feel...



Katter calls Qantas board "coughs"

So you are happy to share an opinion with the Mad Hatter

 

[chonetsao.co.uk]

Ahhhhh Bob Katter

Says exactly how I feel...

Nice rating!

BBB

I guess it is the same rating most of AFF members would give to QF management.

 

[Deleted User]

So you are happy to share an opinion with the Mad Hatter

Bob is full of it......but he is not as full as the clowns running Q

 

[Simo]

IMHO i don't really care if i can not get a ASA or a free seat of FF points.

I am more concerned that we are going to lose 1000 staff out of the airline where current customer service is already an issue.

I don't want to see a iconic company like Qantas losing staff as it means that less of our kids and our kids kids have the opportunity to get a job in the future.

Losing that many staff will hurt more than just 1000 people it will affect maybe for 4 or 5000 people if not more.

I only see this as weakening QF and also hurting moral to an even lower level than already not building a stronger Qantas

Just my opinion.

 

[simongr]

What hasn't been answered is if this will be free or an extra cost ala JetStar?

They have positioned qantasia as a premium airline NOT as a JQ for Asia, they have repeatedly said that the benefits of being a FF would translate to qantasia - why do people keep perpetuating some myth that qantasia is going to be some form of JQ? The only reason qantasia will exist is to reduce operating costs by getting people off the Australian wage/benefit system.

If qantasia was going to really be jqasia then it would have been launched in the same way that JQpan was launched. There is a clear and definite distinction to how the two new airlines are being positioned - why is this so hard for people?

 

[Justchecking]

They have positioned qantasia as a premium airline NOT as a JQ for Asia, they have repeatedly said that the benefits of being a FF would translate to qantasia - why do people keep perpetuating some myth that qantasia is going to be some form of JQ? The only reason qantasia will exist is to reduce operating costs by getting people off the Australian wage/benefit system.

If qantasia was going to really be jqasia then it would have been launched in the same way that JQpan was launched. There is a clear and definite distinction to how the two new airlines are being positioned - why is this so hard for people?

Two points.....

1. Nobody really trusts QF management. JQ was never, ever going to compete with QF or take it's routes remember. Reality differs significantly to the promises.

2. If all businesses in Australia had the attitude of 'getting people off the Aussie wages and conditions' then we would all be out of a job, yourself included. I love it how Australians extoll the benefits of shipping work offshore because it's cheaper elsewhere and really those pilots and FAs should know better than to ask for Aussie wages and conditions, can't they see why are trying to get cheap fares here! Yet I wonder how many would be so supportive of it, if it was their job going the way of the dodo.

 

[gpr49697]

as a shareholder think this is great. as a long time WP again, still wondering what's in it for me.
note the new F lounge at HKG will have to be damn good for me to not use CX wing.

 

[drron]

Lets go back a few years.Unions waged vigorous campaigns to keep australian wages and conditions for workers in the car and clothing and footwear industries.And they were successful.And the jobs have gone.
Car manufacturing-Revenues have gone down 10% a year for the last 5 years.The number of cars manufactured in 2010 was the lowest since 1957.
Clothing and footwear manufacturing-revenues have gone down 6.3% a year for the last 5 years.As for shoes in 2010 there were 1883 people employed making shoes in australia in 2010.
Face facts-QF is in a global market.The market doesn't care what you or I want.QF must go with the flow.
I have no problem with an airline flying out of NZ that uses NZ staff and has NZ conditions.
I wonder what the reaction would be if TT in Australia used Singaporean workers on Singaporean conditions.And we have the timerity to say if QF has a business in singapore it must be on Australian conditions and staff?

If Bob Katter,Senator Xenophon and the unions have their way QF international may be OK in the short term but would soon disappear.Their hearts are in the right position but their heads?

And this nonsense of comparing QF to CX-CX is at the gateway of a nation with 1.3 billion people,1.1 million millionaires and >50 million in the middle class.QF is at the gateway of a remote country with 25 million population,193000 millionaires.Apples and oranges.

 

[medhead]

Ahhhhh Bob Katter

Says exactly how I feel...



Katter calls Qantas board "coughs"

That was classic, trust big bad bob. Nearly fell off my chair.

 

[gpr49697]

Lets go back a few years.Unions waged vigorous campaigns to keep australian wages and conditions for workers in the car and clothing and footwear industries.And they were successful.And the jobs have gone.
Car manufacturing-Revenues have gone down 10% a year for the last 5 years.The number of cars manufactured in 2010 was the lowest since 1957.
Clothing and footwear manufacturing-revenues have gone down 6.3% a year for the last 5 years.As for shoes in 2010 there were 1883 people employed making shoes in australia in 2010.
Face facts-QF is in a global market.The market doesn't care what you or I want.QF must go with the flow.
I have no problem with an airline flying out of NZ that uses NZ staff and has NZ conditions.
I wonder what the reaction would be if TT in Australia used Singaporean workers on Singaporean conditions.And we have the timerity to say if QF has a business in singapore it must be on Australian conditions and staff?

If Bob Katter,Senator Xenophon and the unions have their way QF international may be OK in the short term but would soon disappear.Their hearts are in the right position but their heads?

And this nonsense of comparing QF to CX-CX is at the gateway of a nation with 1.3 billion people,1.1 million millionaires and >50 million in the middle class.QF is at the gateway of a remote country with 25 million population,193000 millionaires.Apples and oranges.

good points. i often wonder also how fair it is for QF Int'l to have to compete with some of the 'state sponsored' airlines it has to now.