Carbon passports to target air travel?

[latawiec]

Are "Carbon passports" to target air travel?

 

[latawiec]

Today Sky News informed that there are 70k participants flying to Dubai for COP28.

And again the are the "carbon passports" on their minds for other travelers...

 

[Himeno]

This thread is the first time I've ever heard of a "carbon passport".

 

[anyonebutqantas]

Carbon passports are another left-wing authoritarian idea to make the ordinary people's lives miserable. But all he celebrities and politicians and billionaires will still fly around in private jets whilst lecturing everybody else...

 

[dairyfloss]

It's ok - I'll just offset the CO2 by [clean] burning a few FF miles, after I book

 

[RooFlyer]

Today Sky News informed that there are 70k participants flying to Dubai for COP28.

How on earth will the airlines be able to provide that many Business and First class seats into Dubai?

 

[anyonebutqantas]

How on earth will the airlines be able to provide that many Business and First class seats into Dubai?

Albo will spend more of our money flying on the RAAF VIP jet, the others will also fly private jets.

 

[latawiec]

This thread is the first time I've ever heard of a "carbon passport".

It's time to limit how often we can travel abroad – 'carbon passports' may be the answer​

Experts say it's time to rethink our travel habits

www.google.com

Travel firm warns holidays could be restricted by carbon passports

Report claims drastic measures such as 'personal carbon allowances' may be introduced as global temperatures rise.

news.stv.tv

Holidaymakers warned 'carbon passports' could make some destinations off-limits

A holiday company has warned that "drastic measures" may be introduced to fight against climate change.

www.google.com

 

[latawiec]

How on earth will the airlines be able to provide that many Business and First class seats into Dubai?

Well, their travel might be spread over week or more ...

 

[latawiec]

70k participants.

 

[encryptededdy]

Decarbonising air travel is certainly going to be difficult, with there being no feasible alternative for any sort of long-haul travel. Airlines are hyping up SAF but I don't really expect it to make a meaningful difference any time soon (considering availability of feedstock and production capacity, not to mention cost).

My opinion is that managing demand for long-haul travel (for instance the idea of Carbon Passports) will never be a feasible solution, and instead the primary focus really needs to be on eliminating the need for short-haul journeys by air, and replacing them with alternate forms of transportation. Whilst that means it's unlikely Aviation will ever hit zero emissions, it's the best we can do.

As for the idea of Carbon Passports linked above, the reason we haven't heard about them before is because it seems to be an idea thought up by a travel agency and picked up by "news" sites to generate clicks, either from interest or outrage. Gotta maximise that engagement farming, I suppose.

 

[stm1sydney]

Yes, to be fair, the "climate change" cult has never been about the environment but about power/control, so carbon passports are definitely on the cards.

 

[Forg]

Yes, to be fair, the "climate change" cult has never been about the environment but about power/control, so carbon passports are definitely on the cards.

I suspect attitudes like this aren’t helping to get any solutions implemented before we complete the process of making the place uninhabitable for ourselves.

 

[jase05]

How on earth will the airlines be able to provide that many Business and First class seats into Dubai?

Over 500 Private Jets apparently.
The President of the COP just happens to be the leader of a National Petroleum industry and has been quoted as saying “the phase-out of coal, oil and gas would take world ‘back into caves”

 

[jrfsp]

My main issue with this idea is that any “carbon passport” should included all CO2 lifestyle impacts (not just air travel)

 

[stm1sydney]

I suspect attitudes like this aren’t helping to get any solutions implemented before we complete the process of making the place uninhabitable for ourselves.

I'm pretty sure that my attitude (and your's also) one way or the other will not matter one jot to China, which continues to build massive coal-fired power stations. More than one being commissioned every single week and more than 300 in the pipeline. They are taking the West for mugs.

 

[tdimdad]

As for the idea of Carbon Passports linked above, the reason we haven't heard about them before is because it seems to be an idea thought up by a travel agency and picked up by "news" sites to generate clicks, either from interest or outrage. Gotta maximise that engagement farming, I suppose.

I have heard of the idea before but not paid attention. As a concept, it seems to take the idea of carbon credits to the personal level (but without a trading mechanism). Having a travel company rehash a 15-year old idea from the UK Parliament has focused it to travel only. And Interpid say themselves that it's presented to provoke discussion about sustainable travel - which I think is a very worthy conversation to have, especially among frequent travellers.

@jrfsp is right in that for any real effect, we ought to make our total footprint visible in a reliable way and control that. At the moment, I have no way to even estimate my personal annual footprint but have taken action at home and made lifestyle choices to minimise it in selected areas. The first is the good old 'refuse - reduce - reuse - ...' approach to materials (e.g. using my backpack to carry groceries instead of plastic bags, avoiding supermarket fruit bags, etc), I've optimised my domestic waste so that only about 5-10% of waste go to refuse / landfill ("red bin") and rest to various forms of recycling or composting, minimise food waste, avoid beef and related products to lower my methane emissions (this probably has the largest single impact in my daily life), etc.

In travel, if there are newer & lower emission planes available for my routing & times, I opt for them instead of the old gas guzzlers. 98% of local and medium-distance travel is by foot or train where possible (yes, I've chosen my location accordingly and it works well for me).

For us, the conversation in this forum could focus on of how can be minimise the footprint when travelling. What the the choices we could make today, what are the advances we can expect or ask for in the future? What would "leave no trace" look like from this viewpoint?

PS. Can we, please, leave the political slandering out of this? It rarely adds to the quality of the discussion or helps in forming sound opinions.

 

[drron]

So the decision makers couldn't give a damn. just let the plebs pay.

 

[Forg]

I wonder if those train carbon emissions look like that because of nukes?
'Cos 'straya got no trains, and 'straya also got no nukes ... French HST travel probably looks really good from a CO2 output POV due to them having quite a few nuclear power plants. Whereas here we just burns coal ... ahem, sorry, "clean coal".

 

[marki]

Are "Carbon passports" to target air travel?

Please No more control - only those that preach should practise by example but I see they do not.