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All I can say is that I admire that you have identified this interest at such a young age.

As per the advice here, be aware that work travel is essentially mandatory travel - so it wears thin. I spent a year once doing a FIFO (fly in fly out) from Australia to Colombia. Due to cough connections that meant 48 hours travel each way, once every 5 weeks. I spent half my life that year suffering jetlag. It was horrendous, even though it made me Emerald with One World.

My advice is that you work hard to get a job that makes you passionate about it, and that has a decent financial reward. Then you get the best of both worlds: enjoying your work and having the money to travel.
 
Yet we seem to have a higher than normal number of members in IT who did travel frequently, strange :shock:

IT certainly offers many opportunities for travel, but for every person in IT who gets to see the server rooms of the world on the companies dime, there are 3 others whom are chained to their desks with little hope of ever leaving it.

I started in the IT industry in 2001, it wasn't until 2006 that I had my first business trip, this was despite the fact that in 2005 / early 2006 I was the sole member of our team in CBR (with the rest of the team in MEL / SYD). If I needed to talk to a team member, it was the phone or email.

In fact, I never actually met my boss the entire time I was working for that company (it was all phone calls and emails)
 
I started in the IT industry in 2001, it wasn't until 2006 that I had my first business trip, this was despite the fact that in 2005 / early 2006 I was the sole member of our team in CBR (with the rest of the team in MEL / SYD). If I needed to talk to a team member, it was the phone or email.

In fact, I never actually met my boss the entire time I was working for that company (it was all phone calls and emails)

Its not the industry that determines the travel, its the job. If your a coder/developer you will be unlikely to be going anywhere, execs and sales staff different story. Have been in IT since 89, at one stage I had two bosses in a matrix environment, one in Singapore which meant monthly trips, and being a national role it would have been odd to not do 3-6 flights a week.
 
Its not the industry that determines the travel, its the job.

Agree 100%.

If your a coder/developer you will be unlikely to be going anywhere <snip>

Disagree, but there it's as much the persons personality as the job which will decide if travel will happen or not. I've employed guys whom I would never even think of letting talk to the customers, let alone actually travel anywhere, I've employed guys whom I've said - "There is the customer, you know what to do" and let them go to the customer without fear that we'll lose the customer.

Whilst as a coder I don't have the same sort of travel requirements as I used to in sales (well small business, but that makes you defacto sales), there is still scope to travel for projects. Sometimes to go to expos or training courses, sometimes because it adds the personal touch for the customer and sometimes because whilst we can achieve a lot of good stuff online, sometimes the quickest way to get the job done is go to where the data is.
 
Thanks to everyone for their responses! I have taken it all on board

I understand that I need to enjoy what I am doing, the trouble I think that I will have is taking a few steps back to go forwards again in what I believe that will make me the most out of what I enjoy.

Thanks again and I will definitely stay a member of the AFF community for a while to come.

Cheers

Matt
 
Thanks to everyone for their responses! I have taken it all on board

I understand that I need to enjoy what I am doing, the trouble I think that I will have is taking a few steps back to go forwards again in what I believe that will make me the most out of what I enjoy.

Thanks again and I will definitely stay a member of the AFF community for a while to come.

Cheers

Matt

Just out of interest, how exactly would you be taking some steps backwards to go forwards?

Also be very careful about taking backwards steps, sideways steps, sure, but backwards steps runs the risk of you been evaluated against your new lesser position in any attempts to go forwards.
 
Just out of interest, how exactly would you be taking some steps backwards to go forwards?

Also be very careful about taking backwards steps, sideways steps, sure, but backwards steps runs the risk of you been evaluated against your new lesser position in any attempts to go forwards.

Just the general way I have been thinking, I am a Project manager currently in the marine business and the possibility of having to go to uni to take up some sort of cadetship to change career paths...

I just struggle to see a huge career in the path that I have chosen. In regards to higher salaries...
Also, the lack of stability in the recreational marine industry makes me a tad warey...

Sorry to vent my personal problems on here guys haha!!
 
Going to uni won't be a step backwards unless you do a bachelor of arts majoring in politics or something silly like that ;) Like others have said it's not all glamorous. My best mate is a chemical engineer/business manager for a major mining company. He's been flying all over the world business/first class for 10 years and it now a chore for him. He hates getting on planes to fly overseas. After enough flying it just becomes another plane and another airport. It's only on holidays when frequent flying comes into play and you have status to get some decent perks.

cheers,
 
I just struggle to see a huge career in the path that I have chosen. In regards to higher salaries...
Also, the lack of stability in the recreational marine industry makes me a tad warey...

Sorry to vent my personal problems on here guys haha!!
Well, how good is it to see a young guy who's wise enough to be looking forward far enough to position himself well for a fulfilling and enjoyable career.

Matt, I've got absolutely no idea what I can tell you, except the vast majority of my life has been in the maritime industry. Pre GFC, I was flying 80 sectors a year (give or take), post GFC, my marine business was basically killed off (not entirely, damn good tax deduction at the moment) and I fly now about 40 sectors a year but not for marine work. Pre GFC flying was mainly domestic with perhaps 1 or 2 trips OS a year, post GFC flying is about 50/50. The big difference is now my income is sourced from alternate streams and I earn about 4x what I did pre GFC. The lesson I luckily learnt early enough was to hold a few basket of eggs not just one and don't overcommit. The marine industry was in fact instrumental in me transitioning well as it was showing signs of an imminent and sharp decline as early as 2004, when alternates were still streaming ahead. I looked at possible alternatives and implemented steps to expose myself less to one potentially problematic industry.

Recreational boats are reliant on people with high levels of disposable income, or at least enough skill to convince a bank manager of that. The marine industry is down right now and not likely to return during my working life. Look at it dispassionately (as it is a great industry) but the GFC sucked away much of the disposable income which badly affected recreational boat sales, the Aussie dollar went through the roof which badly affected international tourism (including marine based tourist ventures) and also made AU marine manufacturing less viable against foreign imports. Some big name foreign imports were also feeling the GFC crunch (Four Winns alone went from a 35 boat/day turnover to 5/day....and compare that with AUs biggest production facility Riviera, which at it's peak produced just over 1 boat/day), so there was a genuine worldwide industry discounting war, which here in Oz was compounded by the burgeoning "grey" import problem of over committed US residents dumping some very cheap boats onto the market. Throw in the fact that the fishing industry has been decimated in AU by a few things including the political desire to lock up much of the AU territorial waters with "green" zones and it meant a virtual killing off of an industry which employed more people than the AU car manufacturing sector, yet unlike the car sector, the marine industry got virtually no gov't assistance.

It's not all doom and gloom though and a much smaller marine industry will continue and there will always be jobs there for those who want them. It is a very enjoyable career, but what you are doing is wise. Always look carefully and evaluate the possibilities. Don't believe all the claims of "gold being in them thar hills" and don't pick a job just because it sounds exciting with heaps of flying. When I was flying the 80 sectors or so a year, I was not really enjoying it but hey, I could always think of things I'd enjoy doing far less!

Education is a key. Without the bits of paper, your experience will count for little. With the bits of paper and good experience, you'll be someone employers will pay good money for. Look for opportunities....they do come along regularly, but position yourself first with good education.
 
Going to uni won't be a step backwards unless you do a bachelor of arts majoring in politics or something silly like that ;)

Never understand why people do degrees that have no career prospects.
 
Going to uni won't be a step backwards unless you do a bachelor of arts majoring in politics or something silly like that ;)

Never understand why people do degrees that have no career prospects.

I have a friend with a degree in political science and he has a very rewarding job with an exceptionally nice paycheque. Mind you, he does have to swing from left to right every time his bosses are changed by popular vote! ;)
 
Hey Matt,

I'm 23 ( So quite close to your age bracket) and recently started travelling for work this year. It's by no means as much as others on this forum but I've flown 25 sectors in the last 2 months, and about 50 so far this year. I work in Public Relations which depending on which area of the industry you work in, can be Lots or No travel, i am the national director for an organisation therefore work with teams all over the country.
That being said I really believe people who travel a lot for work have to love travel and aircraft, as after the first 2 weeks of heavy travel the gloss of the lounge, excitement of priority boarding and extra status start to really wear off... Backtracking to the start of the year I was upset if I didn't fly in a fortnight.. Now I've had my first fortnight without a flight and I am so relieved... I absolutely love what I do, and love getting to travel ( although I'm under no illusion I will be able to keep this travel up forever) just chase the job you want, not the requirement to fly.. Good luck :)
 
I work in mining production, FIFO, studying part time Degree in Project Management... Alas, my employer dictates my flights...
 
My advice. Whatever job you do, do it well and you'll be in demand from everyone who wants your skills and get to go where they need you.
 
Never understand why people do degrees that have no career prospects.

Actually, whilst even an arts degree has limited entry level positions available to it, a surprising number of higher up managerial positions just the presence of a degree (doesn't matter what area) can be enough to tip the balance into your favour.

Of course there are also a large number of people whom are doing arts degrees simply because they said "Well I've finished year 12, uni seems to be the next logical step" and they end up doing a degree for the sake of doing something.


If I was going to start offering career advice, my advice would be simple.

1. Work out where you want to be in 5 years (hell do what I did, and even have the desk you want picked out) and work out where you want to be in 10, and work out the best path which will get you there. Don’t fall into the trap of “well you need to have xyz qualification to do this”. Look at what the real qualifications / jobs / skills are the stepping stones to get from A to B to C to 5 years. (Edit: Ask employers, not uni's / TAFE's. Often what employer's want, and what Uni's / TAFE's are teaching can be worlds apart, I for one would probably not hire a student straight out of Uni after doing a CS degree, since they would have learned languages which are of no use to me, I would however consider a person whom has just spent 6 months reading C# books and writing C# programs in their spare time but was missing a degree)

2. Depending on the field you are going into Uni degrees / TAFE diploma’s are worth about 6 months of actual on the job work. Use them as stepping stones for getting into the entry level position, not as the guiding star for your entire career (despite what the uni will tell you). That leads nicely onto

3. Be careful about taking a step back. I did contracting for many years, and one of the guiding stars was that your last contract dictated your worth in the next. In saying this, yes you will pick up bad contracts from time to time (I’ve been unfortunate to have had 2).

4. Don’t be afraid of taking a sideways step from time to time. I’m in my current position now because in 2006 I was not afraid of taking a sideways step, and as a conservative estimate, I’m probably around 40 to 50% better off as a result compared to had I simply continued down the path I was.

5. Learn how to network. The last time I put in a job application was in 2005. I’ve held several jobs since then, each one the manager specifically asked for me. Technically I never even put in a job application for my first job either. The interview was simply a formality so that HR could see a form ticking the right check boxes. All that was done via the power of networking. You don’t need to join networking groups. You don’t need to jump on the latest fad to do it. All you really need to do is build up a collection of contacts, have coffee / lunch with them once in a while, and really listen to what they have to say. As funny as it seems, the very best contacts to have are those in supporting industries of the industry you are interested in. Since those guys often speak to loads of people in the industry you are interested in, and whilst a person already in the same industry may know when a position opens up in their company, a person in a supporting industry will know of positions opening up in any company they directly do business with.

Just whilst talking about latest fads with networking, yes I have linked in, no I rarely check it. No I don’t consider my “contacts” on linked in as real contacts. The reason is pretty simple, last year I attempted to set up coffee / lunch meetings with most of the contacts on my contacts list. I was able to do so with whom I would call the “usual suspects”, aka the people whom I would have had coffee / lunch with, with or without linked in helping me.

Also, despite what some other contractors / workers will tell you, recruiters are valuable. Yes you'll no doubt hear the word leeches be thrown about with them, and it's true some of them very much so are, but often they are also the gate keepers. They are the ones who'll decide to send your resume to a company. Do more than blindly send resumes via seek. Have coffee / lunch with them, get to know them on a personal level. That way when the see a job which you'd be perfect for, they will go and send your resume in, rather than luck of the draw against the other 100,000 resumes they have on their database.

6. Be the guy whom puts your hand up for the more difficult project, be the guy whom is willing to learn about xyz just because it’ll help the company. I personally trace a lot of my current success to my willingness to take on a project, which was both difficult and required me to learn a lot. Which the bosses needed done ASAP, and my willingness to do so been noticed by the right people. If you just turn up at work and coast through, you’ll always be the guy whom just coasts through without ambition.

7. Finally, have fun. Wake up each and every Monday morning looking forwards to the week ahead. (Yes I realize the irony of writing this on a Monday morning). There is nothing worse than getting up each morning dreading what you are doing, and just counting down the minutes until 5pm.
 
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