Charged EUR 37 for 1kg over at check-in (total 24kg)

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No airline can be relied on to continually be flouting its own rules, for what its worth it was not long ago 4 of us had to repack our baggage at HKG because we were 2Kg over the limit in total for 4 pax, CX would not budge.

Goodness! Was CX the sole carrirer?

I wonder how many times in the history of building up your status with QF you were 1kg over and it was waived.

But it was BA that charged the 1kg excess. They expected QF might charge them.

I was absolutely shocked when both agents (one at GRX & the other at BCN) accepted the bags on the belt, applied the heavy weight sticker and let the bags go down the belt. No charges, no lectures just a smile and "enjoy your flight" comment:)
The same thing has happened with just about every other airline I've flown......but, it's still nice when it does happen.

Was it just the one flight? Or did you have an interlining connection? I've found that when carriers choose to be 'generous', it's when they are the sole carrier.
 
Sometimes you get away with it, sometimes you don't. That's life.
Unfortunately, it's the times we don't get away with it, that lingers most on our minds, when it should be 'Oh well, things even themselves out in the long run.'

When we don't get away with it, we whinge about it, and complain about inconsistency. The problem with demanding consistency, is that you are really demanding slavish enforcement of every rule! :shock:
 
Was it just the one flight? Or did you have an interlining connection? I've found that when carriers choose to be 'generous', it's when they are the sole carrier.

Two separate flights booked on two different PNR's.....we had a 4 night stop over in BCN between each leg.

GRX-BCN

BCN-ORY

For the past 3.5 years I have flown weekly with J* (unbelievable....but better than driving to BNE twice a week) out of MCY & only have carry on as I'm away on average no longer than 4 nights. On occasions where I'm away longer due to international trips ex-SYD I have always been charged excess luggage......they have never let one go. I'm ok with that as I accept the conditions.

FWIW, I always purchase the expensive J* ticket as I want the SC's.

As a non-status flyer with VY with many, many kg's over I was truly shocked & impressed with the attitude of the VY agents:cool:
 
When we don't get away with it, we whinge about it, and complain about inconsistency. The problem with demanding consistency, is that you are really demanding slavish enforcement of every rule! :shock:
Demanding consistency is exactly that. A demand. One that might or might or might not be met. I learned a while ago, that the only person's actions on this planet that you can control, are your own. Without wishing to sound like a pompous cough, if the person's luggage was 23kg or under then there would have been no problem. That was the only course of action this particular person could have taken and been assured that the result worked out in their favour.
 
Goodness! Was CX the sole carrirer?

Yes, it was CX back to BNE, the most annoying thing was the cabin was 10% full on boarding, so that weight difference in the hold would have made a lot of difference :oops:, rules are rules.
 
What do you actually want QF to do? Waive fees for being over the limit? What is the acceptable amount to be over the limit? 1kg? 3kg? If 3Kg then why not set the limit to 26KG but then could you be 1KG over that?

My recollection of the introduction of the tighter application of the weight limit on Qantas in Y was accompanied by an increase from 20KG limit to 23KG limit a couple of years ago - the timing of the two were certainly in the same general timeframe.
 
Once again - discretion is given, not expected. Once discretion is expected, it changes into a rule, then discretion morphs itself into a new level (and we get new arguments).

There's not much more to be said on this thread unless I go black and blue. If I were to add another data point, MH were strict with my mother for being about 2 kg overweight when she checked in at KBR (KBR is of size to KUL as HBA is to SYD, just to give you an idea). So, she ended up repacking and once she was dead on the mark, they let her go.

I was also pinged by ZL at OAG for being similarly overweight by about 1 and a bit kg. I'd already repacked once, but they would not budge until I had "reduced the weight by a little bit more". I eventually did the "hidden weight" trick with my colleagues so I could check in my bag with only a few hundred grams overweight. (And it was almost for nought in the end when ZL forced us to volunteer luggage to be offloaded before we could board, since the flight was full and overloaded).

Also, as I mentioned, when you throw in the fact that you may be dealing with outsourcing companies at check-in (e.g. another airline's staff operating check-in on behalf of another (whether in the same alliance or not), or a generic ground handling company operating it), the audit marks easily left behind enforce staff to stick to baggage allowances to a tee (or engage in some "creative accounting"). I've seen this both abroad as well as in my home airport, BNE.

And, as most said here, your friend could've easily helped themselves. If the system wasn't going to be flexible then there was an easy way to avoid the excess charges. And giving the whole lousy spiel of, "Well I 'got away with this' last year, why not now" is frankly pathetic. In any case, your friend acquiesced and paid the charge, and assuming that your friend wasn't giving attitude as you so described, then even with their conclusion they told you then they must've been graceful enough to consent to payment instead of finding another solution or throwing a massive tantrum.

Perhaps your friend (and you) should consider flying EK next time. Their allowance in Y allows up to 30 kg of checked bags instead of 23 kg. My suggestion to you, however, is not to try checking in 31 kg without expecting resistance or a suitable plan B.
 
Demanding consistency is exactly that. A demand. One that might or might or might not be met. I learned a while ago, that the only person's actions on this planet that you can control, are your own. Without wishing to sound like a pompous cough, if the person's luggage was 23kg or under then there would have been no problem. That was the only course of action this particular person could have taken and been assured that the result worked out in their favour.

I don't mind when they try to enforce the rule.....that is their right.......

It annoys me when they try to enforce an incorrect rule.

Was picked up with 2 bags.....one 25 kg (explained that I was over-weight......yes I have put on a few pounds:p) and one 16 kg.......I explained that whilst I was quite happy to re-distribute, I was well within my rights as a club world traveller to have 2 by 32 kg bags checked in.

She just mumbled and let them through......
 
I guess when you have dealt with a company for 20 years and they have always acted a certain way and then suddenly become "zero tolerance" it's hard to answer what do I want them to do.

Over that 20 years you would have seen a whole raft of changes both with QF and other airlines that have all generally shown an increasing tendency to more enforcement of rules so this should be no surprise.

kooky said:
Did you enjoy losing your WP 'anytime' lounge access?

I was quite vocal about the removal of ATA being a non-issue for me and in fact saw the removal as a positive if it allowed other benefits to be improved or retained.

kooky said:
But to pick an answer I would expect a premium company like that to show some small degree of tolerance to a pleb that has invested their hard earned to book with them from Europe.

They bought a ticket and were provided the service they paid for - that pleb should be in the same position as every other pleb on the flight.

kooky said:
I guess since you're a WP you presumably get treated with a raft of discretion and tolerance everytime you deal with the company. I wonder how many times in the history of building up your status with QF you were 1kg over and it was waived.

Never.
 
For me, this whole situation is like an op-up.
If it happens, be glad, but don't expect it next time.
Same as overweight luggage. If you get away with it, be glad, but don't expect it to happen next time.
 
Always found QF to be reasonable when a kg or 5 over weight. When I flew on AA connecting to QF and was way over load (about 18kgs over) the AA check told me she had to charge me the fee for AA but would not bill me for the charge on the QF leg. She was most apologetic about AA but the charge was only USD45 and I had been on a shopping trip.

What is it with European charging these days, do those countries/airlines all have Mac Bank consulting to them on how to make money. :evil:
 
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What is it with European charging these days, do those countries/airlines all have Mac Bank consulting to them on how to make money. :evil:

As far as I can tell, they've always been strict. Or at least so has been the experience of some of my friends in Europe flying the major carriers (both full and LCC). Of course, many of them don't usually have the overpacking problem through the guise of experience and (lack of) necessity.

Asia used to be quite relaxed, but relative to the old days, they are strict now, especially the LCCs.

I think you can get sued in America for not showing discretion. That or at least lynched up via social media. But, that's America.... :rolleyes:

For what it's worth I've had my share of experiences having discretion both offered and not, from all various airlines (including QF for that matter). Oddly enough, when discretion is given it's usually silent (i.e. no big rigmarole like, "Ah, you're overweight by 5 kg, but we'll let you go this time"). I've only paid an overweight charge once (but in this case I was quite overweight due to moving cities; fortunately the charge was not excessive), and this was before I was more travel savvy. So I really don't see how someone who is merely 1 kg overweight can't help themselves, especially if they take EUR 37 as being non-trivial. Yes, the system could be "nicer", but after that, why not help yourself, or is it a little too much to expect some initiative?
 
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I like Qantas by the way and hate to bash them. I just feel like I let colleagues down by recommending them. I hope management will read posts like this and be aware of what effect their decisions can have on recommendations of new business.

For the last time, your friend was not charged by QANTAS - they were charged by BA.

They were charged by BA because the BA checkin staff were unable (or unwilling) to waive a fee that they most likely didn't have discretion to waive.

This has nothing to do with QF per se - it's the same the world over with airlines the world over.
 
What is it with European charging these days, do those countries/airlines all have Mac Bank consulting to them on how to make money. :evil:

The economies are broken and there is lots of competition at the headline fare rate and they need to make back what they lose in low fares. Sadly we have got the airlines and industry we wanted - cheap fares for the majority of the population to vacation on so they can spend what they have saved on cheap tatts and Bintang.
 
And, as most said here, your friend could've easily helped themselves. If the system wasn't going to be flexible then there was an easy way to avoid the excess charges. And giving the whole lousy spiel of, "Well I 'got away with this' last year, why not now" is frankly pathetic. In any case, your friend acquiesced and paid the charge, and assuming that your friend wasn't giving attitude as you so described, then even with their conclusion they told you then they must've been graceful enough to consent to payment instead of finding another solution or throwing a massive tantrum.

Perhaps your friend (and you) should consider flying EK next time. Their allowance in Y allows up to 30 kg of checked bags instead of 23 kg. My suggestion to you, however, is not to try checking in 31 kg without expecting resistance or a suitable plan B.

I know, it's a pathetic attitude to say that they got away with 3kg last year, I will chastise appropriately.

My friend was cool and paid the infringement. Nobody throwing a tantrum anywhere. I like QF, I have recommended QF over the course of 10+ years perhaps causing 8 or so people to book them internationally. And now I feel let down because of what I perceive (and it's only me) to be a lack of reasonableness. 8 international trips is absolute chicken feed and we are but mere plebs. I just wonder if there's more kookys out there. Maybe not. Irrelevant. Thank you to this forum for at least letting a pleb voice their concern as to how they perceive, after 10 years, an airline is changing for the worse.

BAM1748 sums up my concern:

Always found QF to be reasonable when a kg or 5 over weight.

QF were "reasonable" in the past. Now they are not. Again I understand and even agree that in 2012 even 3kg over should immediately result in public humiliation. But to no longer be reasonable about 1kg has tourned 'reasonable' into 'soulless'. So over the next 10 years I guess that's 8 less people I guess I will recommend elsewhere? As I mentioned, irrelevant chicken-feed.
 
QF were "reasonable" in the past. Now they are not. Again I understand and even agree that in 2012 even 3kg over should immediately result in public humiliation.

Who has suggested that? I don't think anyone has suggested anything like the hyperbole you keep raising. Why are you also blaming QF for a decision made by BA?
 
Who has suggested that? I don't think anyone has suggested anything like the hyperbole you keep raising. Why are you also blaming QF for a decision made by BA?

Well if you see the original quotes given by the checkin staff it was QF that was making the rules. That's what Joe Public gets told, I know you may know some of the politics behind the scenes that cause things like this to occur but the damage is done, right? If QF wants stick a QF codeshare on the ticket then at least take some responsibility in things. I'm sure having QF is completely irrelevant and I deserve the rulebook to be thrown at me but it's simply a European person booking a ticket through Qantas.de in the end for their Australian holiday. I already had to put up with the complaints about the A$20 charged to pick your seat when previously they could just request it from the call centre. Aw man, who cares, it's done now. If there ever is a next time they can just pay E2000 sale price to fly QF Y+ to Aus unlike the Aussie suckers who pay that to fly Y to Europe. Where QF really cleans up is selling Aussies overpriced tickets, not charging Europeans excess baggage ;-)
 
I already had to put up with the complaints about the A$20 charged to pick your seat when previously they could just request it from the call centre.

Actually only status pax could do that with impunity - no status pax were capped on the proportion of the cabin that was peallocated - after that you had to wait until check in. Now they can guarantee that they can choose seats (whether they will keep those seats is a matter for debate).

Aw man, who cares, it's done now. If there ever is a next time they can just pay E2000 sale price to fly QF Y+ to Aus unlike the Aussie suckers who pay that to fly Y to Europe. Where QF really cleans up is selling Aussies overpriced tickets, not charging Europeans excess baggage ;-)

You are certainly correct there and it is very disappointing.
 
Well if you see the original quotes given by the checkin staff it was QF that was making the rules. That's what Joe Public gets told, I know you may know some of the politics behind the scenes that cause things like this to occur but the damage is done, right? If QF wants stick a QF codeshare on the ticket then at least take some responsibility in things.

What responsibility can QF take in this regard? Tell BA to tell their counter agents to tell them the real reason and not make up some fob wash to make them look good and QF bad for the sake of getting rid of a customer?

Aw man, who cares, it's done now.

How do you expect to be fair when you're throwing in the final shot and trying to bury the hatchet? That's being cheap.

Where QF really cleans up is selling Aussies overpriced tickets, not charging Europeans excess baggage ;-)

Well, can't argue with you there, though it's almost any airline doing the same thing. I'd be blaming capitalism, lack of regulation and lack of market for that.
 
What responsibility can QF take in this regard? Tell BA to tell their counter agents to tell them the real reason and not make up some fob wash to make them look good and QF bad for the sake of getting rid of a customer?

How do you expect to be fair when you're throwing in the final shot and trying to bury the hatchet? That's being cheap.

Well, can't argue with you there, though it's almost any airline doing the same thing. I'd be blaming capitalism, lack of regulation and lack of market for that.

Oops, sorry, with respect to throwing in the hatchet, I can confirm I have done the following:

- Told friend they should have taken train to FRA and not interlined
- Told friend their lousy spiel of mentioning were let on 3kg over last year was pathetic
- Told friend they should consider flying EK next time
- Told friend rules are there for a reason
- Told friend if they don't like it they should buy a jet or drive
- Told friend it's not hard to wear an extra 1kg of clothes when checking in
- Told friend to bring their own scales next time
- Told friend to alledge calibration of check-in scales incorrect
- Told friend discretion does not come as standard
- Told friend it was BA and QF has nothing to do with it

What next? Write to someone?
 
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