Cheapest way into the SYD T1 F lounge as a guest?

[medhead]

I disagree, a similar comparison would be walking into that restaurant, ordering yourself a couple of mains, eating part of it, using the toilet, then falsely complaining about a hair in your food and demanding a full refund...thats more like it!!

TG

Since he isn't planning to eat the mains, its more like booking a restaruant, getting there before the table is ready, offered free drinks while waiting at the bar and then walking out once the table is avaiable.

 

[UP4014]

The actions of the few could effect the many, if they start putting restrictions on we'll know who to blame.

If we all started turning up for free beer in the afternoons without flying I'd guess they'd cut it out.

If you need to use the lounge, buy a ticket or do it and just don't tell us. I'm sure someone in QF will read and see this and think not another pr*ck who expects something for nothing or 'here comes another guy who can't afford is own kebab'.

 

[Travel Guru]

not that I disagree with you or think that this is a good idea. But these charges are just over the top.

If I was to have a brain fade and try to do this, I would simply explain that I changed my mind I don't want to go now. That's a reason and anyone who tried to make you fly against your will would be charged with false imprisonment or something.

With this reason above there is no suggestion of deception, fraud or false pretences.

There is also the fact that customs and immigration are not responsible for enforcing these laws. They are not going to charge you with an offence if it is beyond their power.

It's not so much a question of legality MEDHEAD, its a question of integrity.

If you do have a brain fade and were genuinely going to fly but backed out, no problems, but if you do it intentionally just access a lounge and to pump you're ego for 5 minutes then you deserve it when Karma comes and bites you on the cough.....what goes around comes around.

TG

 

[straitman]

If we all started turning up for free beer in the afternoons without flying I'd guess they'd cut it out.

As a WP this is within the published rules though.

It's not so much a question of legality MEDHEAD, its a question of integrity.TG

A signoff I often use on my emails is:

"If you have integrity, nothing else matters.
If you don't have integrity, nothing else matters."
--Alan Simpson

 

[acampbel]

There is some sort of parable about stoning - I think it involved Jehovah and a guy called Brian, but I may have completely got the wrong end of the story.

Anyway ..... I digress.

Could all the contributors to this thread who have ever done a status run (including unnecessary routings) please preface their vitriol for this sad man with the comment :-

"I global warm for personal profit, but you are an idiot because ....."


Just so the hypocrisy is out in the open, eh?


Cheers,


Andrew

 

[Travel Guru]

There is some sort of parable about stoning - I think it involved Jehovah and a guy called Brian, but I may have completely got the wrong end of the story.

Anyway ..... I digress.

Could all the contributors to this thread who have ever done a status run (including unnecessary routings) please preface their vitriol for this sad man with the comment :-

"I global warm for personal profit, but you are an idiot because ....."


Just so the hypocrisy is out in the open, eh?


Cheers,


Andrew

I for one have never done a status run (I fly enough as it is, i don't need to fly for no reason), but I don't see the connection.

Whether someone is flying to X for a reason, or for a status run, either way the ticket is paid, the services of the company have been reimbursed for their time etc etc, they're not trying to obtain something by deception.

TG

 

[JohnK]

Is it worth going to all this trouble to sample the eggs benedict in the First Class lounge?

 

[Mal]

Whether someone is flying to X for a reason, or for a status run, either way the ticket is paid, the services of the company have been reimbursed for their time etc etc, they're not trying to obtain something by deception.

Indeed. A Status run is merely utilising a ticket where you perceive value for the number of miles/SC you will earn. If the airline lets you book a ticket at a good price within the confines of the rules of the ticket, then there are no grey areas.
As for my comments on that global warming hogwash suggested by acampbel, I'll leave that for the next environmental thread posted here where that discussion may be relevant.

 

[straitman]

Could all the contributors to this thread who have ever done a status run (including unnecessary routings) please preface their vitriol for this sad man with the comment :-

"I global warm for personal profit, but you are an idiot because ....."


Just so the hypocrisy is out in the open, eh?


Cheers,


Andrew

acampbel,

You are entitled to your opinion but I question your relevance on this occasion.

ps I have never done a status run

Whether someone is flying to X for a reason, or for a status run, either way the ticket is paid, the services of the company have been reimbursed for their time etc etc, they're not trying to obtain something by deception.

I agree absolutely :!:

 

[Bundy Bear]

I don't see what is cool about trying to obtain services by deception

Dave

That was probably the wrong choice of smiley; I don't think anyone should obtain something by deception. Although to put the question further does that mean no one should buy tickets that are incorrectly priced knowing that the airline will loose money on them.

I am sure I am not the only one who did a trip just for the sake of visiting the First Class Lounge.

Points; no: SCs no; don't have that many anyway.

Another question; What happens if you have 2 people you are travelling with but you can only 1 guest one into First Class Lounge. Who do you choose. :?:

 

[serfty]

Who do you choose?

Toss a coin?

 

[medhead]

It's not so much a question of legality MEDHEAD, its a question of integrity.

TG

Actually, the question of what charges with was raised and answered. I just don't think that the charges were correct.

That judgement is not related to my opinion of the intergrity of the what the person proposes. As I said I agree with others that it not a good thing to do. But that moral judgement should stand on it's own. Not be support by incorrect legalities or some supposed fear of being questioned by officials

 

[medhead]

. Who do you choose. :?:

Easy, neither. You sit outside with them both.

 

[straitman]

What happens if you have 2 people you are travelling with but you can only 1 guest one into First Class Lounge. Who do you choose. :?:

Depends of course if one is your wife. If that's the case there is no contest.

 

[acampbel]

Indeed. A Status run is merely utilising a ticket where you perceive value for the number of miles/SC you will earn. If the airline lets you book a ticket at a good price within the confines of the rules of the ticket, then there are no grey areas.
As for my comments on that global warming hogwash suggested by acampbel, I'll leave that for the next environmental thread posted here where that discussion may be relevant.

I'm not stating that status runs are illegal ..... just morally on very shaky ground.

I like your glib phrase "global warming hogwash" .... has the same ring to it as "union bosses" and brings comfort to the same sort of people. You should be in politics - I think there are quite a few vacancies at the moment.

Cheers,

Andrew

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[vt]

I'm not stating that status runs are illegal ..... just morally on very shaky ground.

Not directed at me, but what is morally shaky about Status Runs?

If I am 1 or 2 flights away from attaining or requalify for WP, then I pay my $100 per leg and do a Mel-Syd return.

If it just happens that the flight is QF less than 400 then I go visit the Flounge.

If I have a *ONE* ticket, I'll book segments to places I havent been before even though it may be for a day or 2. even if I dont need to.

If I need to holiday in Beijing, I may book via HKG to get extra status and points rather than direct.

I cannot see how a status run is morally shaky.

 

[opusman]

I cannot see how a status run is morally shaky.

I think the implication is that, in terms of carbon emissions, global warming and the general state of the planet, unnecessary flights are a "bad thing" :mrgreen:

 

[vt]

I think the implication is that, in terms of carbon emissions, global warming and the general state of the planet, unnecessary flights are a "bad thing" :mrgreen:

mmm...in that line of thinking, unless your living under the skies in the outback eating greens and grubs, your actually living a morally shaky existance :shock:

Dont forget that it costs the environment the electricity, materials ... etc to make the forum posts.

So is posting to an internet dicussion forum morally shaky also? :shock:

 

[acampbel]

Not directed at me, but what is morally shaky about Status Runs?

If I am 1 or 2 flights away from attaining or requalify for WP, then I pay my $100 per leg and do a Mel-Syd return.

If it just happens that the flight is QF less than 400 then I go visit the Flounge.

If I have a *ONE* ticket, I'll book segments to places I havent been before even though it may be for a day or 2. even if I dont need to.

If I need to holiday in Beijing, I may book via HKG to get extra status and points rather than direct.

I cannot see how a status run is morally shaky.

OK. Let's hypothetically say that 1% of pax miles are down to status runs - by which I mean purely being done to accumulate points and frequent-flyer program status. That 1% would then equate to about 2.5 million tons of aviation fuel per annum, which means 7.5 million tons of CO2 being produced - mostly in the upper atmosphere which is far more harmful than ground emissions.

Now if someone announced to the world that they could take 7.5 million tons of CO2 out of the atmosphere every year, they would be lauded throughout the world as an environmental hero.

Except on this forum, of course.


Cheers,

Andrew

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[vt]

OK. Let's hypothetically say that 1% of pax miles are down to status runs - by which I mean purely being done to accumulate points and frequent-flyer program status. That 1% would then equate to about 2.5 million tons of aviation fuel per annum, which means 7.5 million tons of CO2 being produced - mostly in the upper atmosphere which is far more harmful than ground emissions.

Now if someone announced to the world that they could take 7.5 million tons of CO2 out of the atmosphere every year, they would be lauded throughout the world as an environmental hero.

Except on this forum, of course.


Cheers,

Andrew

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And the relevance to this topic would be?

Would it help you accept my morally shaky ways that I have rain water tanks at home to water my garden? Would you also like to champion the issue where water inside the house is not monitored, but us vegie gardeners face excessive scurtiny even though we are doing out bit for the environment? Again, the relevance to this topic would be zero.

Or is this the resident forum troll cough environmentalist?