Ciao Italia - a Qantas Wine mega-bonus!

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The large prominent building downslope is the Comune di Siena (municipal government). The Fonte Gaia, opposite, was undergoing refurbishment.

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The Piazza del Campo is, of course, the venue for the famous Palio di Siena (Palio di Siena - Wikipedia), held twice a year on 2 July and 16 August. The horses represent the 17 contrade, or city wards, each of which has a distinctive logo and colours.

Our guide explaining the operation of the Palio.

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This year’s winner as we walked up the slope out of the piazza to other guided sights before some free time.

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On to Santa Maria della Scala Museum that was once an important civic hospital dedicated to caring for abandoned children, the poor, the sick and pilgrims (Santa Maria della Scala, Siena - Wikipedia). It’s opposite the ornate Duomo di Siena on Piazza del Duomo. The uncompleted adjacent cathedral is used as a paid-entry viewpoint.

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Inside the Hospital Museum.

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Then back to Piazza del Campo for free time. We opted to chill on the piazza and, for the boys, recall a similar occasion almost 20 years ago, before we walked back to the bus for the ride to our lunch stop at a winery about 10km from, and with a great view of, San Gimignano.

On the way, they played a video that gave a very good description of the Palio. Well done. I have to admit that the day trip in a large coach exceeded my expectations.

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Then lunch. Too much backlight for indoor shots to show the great view of San Gimignano - but a good lot of chill time after the meal to take it in from the balcony. And there was a nice group of people on the bus to chat to.

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Then the brief bus ride to San Gimignano and wandering up to the entrance to Via San Giovanni, the main street. Famous for wild boar salami shops.

It was Sunday, so market stalls were set up in Piazza della Cisterna, the main square. Plenty of cheese and an interesting display by a seller of a large range of fruit types and cultivars.

Look out for the strolling jester…

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On to Pisa, for the final stop of the day. Nothing much to say about this well-known sight. Plenty of people taking cheesy photos pretending to hold up the tower…

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Back to Florence about 2000h and after a long day and a big lunch we opted for pizzas on the Piazza di Santa Maria Novella, just across the way from our hotel to top off an excellent excursion. The mandatory Chianti Classico Riserva DOCG, of course, to continue the burn of the $4K spending money in the prize…

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Next day was free, so we had a lazy start before peeling off in a couple of directions with a plan to meet at the Central Market for a shared platter lunch before a little more exploring in the afternoon.

First stop after lunch was to rub the nose of the boar at the leather market.

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PJM was keen to visit the Biblioteca naz_onale Centrale di Firenze, Italy’s largest national public library. I can’t recall the reason, but we were denied entry. Maybe because we were rubber-necking tourists and not Italian nationals or accredited researchers.

The library backs onto Basilica di Santa Croce, which was our next destination to go inside. It is the burial place of some of the most notable Italians, such as Michelangelo, Galileo and Macchiavelli (Santa Croce, Florence - Wikipedia).

In 1966, the Arno River flooded, causing catastrophic damage to the lower floors of the library resulting in the loss of many books and manuscripts, and causing severe damage to Santa Croce.

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We then crossed to the S side of the Arno and wandered back via a gelateria and Ponte Vecchio. Rain was forecast that evening, so on the way to lunch we had made a dinner booking at an eclectic small restaurant in an alley mere metres from the hotel for what we expected to be a final chow-down and vino slurping in Italia…

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OK, you know the story. We get to FLR and a shambolic and totally unhelpful ITA experience with the cancelled FLR-FCO flight and shunted onto a bus. One pitstop on the way to review the transport. Get to the Hilton Garden Inn and a soothing wine while informing folks at home we were stuck; at that stage for an unknown duration.

We chilled over dinner at the hotel and then I fired off an email to the TA to say we needed rescuing. A bit of middle-of-our-night our time/first thing business hours in Australia activity ensued and we were re-booked two days later than originally scheduled.

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Next day we chilled at the hotel, went over to the terminal to speak with the lovely EK ticketing angel who took on board as best she could our seating dilemma and said to leave it with her, and that she would be checkin supervisor next afternoon. The EK people were just so good.

That evening we went to Fiumicino for a wander about and dinner. It turned out to be very pleasant and relaxing – as did, in fact, the extra time in Italy generally. We really did need to wind down after eight very full day. In some ways, it was a blessing in disguise.

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And an absolutely delicious seafood dinner at a small trattoria with a couple of bottles of a lovely crisp, dry white from near Lago di Garda in northern Italy to wash it down. Buonnissimo!

Hey, being stuck at FCO for a couple of unexpected nights isn’t so bad after all…!

Thoughts of what was facing us in the air next day temporarily vanished.

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Well sated, we Ubered back to the FCO hotel for a lazy start the next day before our 1520h flight FCO-DXB.

EK checkin opens 4h before departure, so we were at the F desk bright and early to check in and then to the excellent EK FCO lounge for a soothing Veuve sedative and a bite to eat before grim reality was to set in.

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And the rest is history…

For the ride down to DXB, we were all together in the middle four seats in the front ‘premium’ section of the A380, but there were feral kids with totally inconsiderate and non-caring parents in front of us, so that was a nightmare.

Then, as related upthread, for the ride down to PER, the blocked aisle seats at 87 and 88 H had vanished for a completely full bird. The best I can say is that we lived to tell the tale…

I had some interesting post-trip interactions with the TA.

From her communications, there seemed to be an expectation that we would claim the additional expenses for the extra two nights at FCO from our travel insurance.

But I pointed out to the TA that we had, not unreasonably in my view, only taken out medical travel insurance. I submitted receipts for accommodation and sustenance. The TA coughed up a round-figure amount that pretty much covered our unexpected costs, ‘as a gesture of goodwill’. Hmmm…

Once that was resolved, I wrote a quite full feedback email to the TA and cc’d it to the Qantas Wine agent at Qantas Loyalty who was the person who phoned me to notify the win. I was at pains to point out that I was not complaining and certainly not ungrateful, but I did want to give honest feedback in an endeavour to be helpful.

I questioned why they would buy discount Y fares, given such a generous budget and that it could turn into a false economy if something went wrong, as it did in our case. As far as I could tell, our return tickets were forfeited because we were deemed no-shows, so they had to buy four new full Y tickets on aircraft that were loaded to the max.

We could see from some EK communications the original cost of each PER-FCO-PER ticket: just under $2200. So, $8.8K total for airfares; let’s say a little over $9K total including the ITA FLR-FCO el-cheapos. Not a big dent in a $47K budget.

Add $4K spending money and probably about $5K accommodation and we are likely still under $20K. Add in the tours and transfers, and my guess is that the original expenditure would not have significantly exceeded about half of the claimed prize value.

It was the penny-pinching on the airfares that surprised me the most. It seemed so totally unnecessary and risked a particularly large extra cost if things went pear-shaped. I simply could not understand the need for it, given the generous budget.

We did not expect 5-star hotels; the 4-star offerings were perfectly reasonable and well-located, and the tours and activities were excellent, so top marks there.

What did I learn out of all this to pass on as advice for when YOU win next year’s trip?:

Watch the TA like a hawk. Double-check everything.

Despite including all our FF numbers at the time of providing passport details, they were not entered at time of booking (surely a rookie error). I had to go into the system and re-seat us from the EK default scum-level. We all operate under our original names. Despite pointing out which pairs were couples, the names went into the system alphabetically; consequently the apparent order of couples was muddled. OK, not a biggie, but like the FF number omission, illustrative of a lack of attention to detail or rookie action. Spelling mistakes in names occurred in several instances; fortunately not in critical tickets.

The el-cheapo ITA tix, as originally issued, showed no baggage allowance. Again, indicative of lack of attention to detail and poor application of logic, given that flight was part of our overall itinerary on the one PNR in our documentation (despite ITA’s later claims to the contrary). I spotted the omission and had to have the TA correct it. Again, illustrative of an unnecessary penny-pinching mentality overriding practicalities and common sense? C’mon…

A bit of a trap with hotels, at least in Rome and Florence, is the city tax. This is levied per person/per night and apparently can only be paid separately at checkout, at least on the type of vouchers provided to us. These surcharges totalled $400 – in other words 10% of the ‘pleasure’ spending money. I suggested that they consider some way of provisioning for that cost separately from the spending money.

I strongly advised against using internal flights in Italy. Train travel would be a better option in my view.


I think the TA was not sorry to see the end of us, while there has not been a peep out of Qantas Loyalty…

And so ends a great trip!
 
Thanks for the usual wonderful TR 😊.

and my guess is that the original expenditure would not have significantly exceeded about half of the claimed prize value.
In spite of all of the palava towards the end, that seems pretty rank. Have you thought about sending Qantas wine a letter saying here’s my bank details please deposit the 20 K balance of my prize?
 
Thanks for the usual wonderful TR 😊.


In spite of all of the palava towards the end, that seems pretty rank. Have you thought about sending Qantas wine a letter saying here’s my bank details please deposit the 20 K balance of my prize?

No - and I don't have all the costs, so I am guessing to a degree. And I'm sure there's a clause that says it's not redeemable in cash (apart from the spending money, of course.)

As the TA said, "It's up to $47K and is dependent on seasonal and unexpected (no kidding!) factors.", which I fully understand, but the wording, if you see the snip of the prize on offer says '$47K', implying to me that they should freely spend up to that.

It was the use of discounted whY fares that really got me. They had a budget that must have easily accommodated flex whY fares, so why potentially paint yourself into an ugly corner with a false economy when it is entirely unnecessary?

As I said to the TA, most of the time it will work, but if it goes bad, it goes really bad. It strikes me that they must have ultimately paid basically something like1.5x for the return flights, which was completely avoidable.

All up, a pretty interesting insight into the working of these prizes that I thought worth sharing.

Inherently, it was pretty obvious from the start that our choice of shoulder-season time was not going to result in spending anywhere near $47K. Even peak season seems a stretch.

If it had not been for the return debacle (and the perhaps snippy 'act of goodwill' comment), I am unlikely to have made any mention of the cost in the TR.
 
Thanks for the TR - apart from the Y seats and the typical QF stuff up it looked good.

I knew someone who won a raffle from Qantas many years ago and sued them because the value wasn't what they advertised. They rolled over fairly quickly
 
Thanks for the TR - apart from the Y seats and the typical QF stuff up it looked good.

I knew someone who won a raffle from Qantas many years ago and sued them because the value wasn't what they advertised. They rolled over fairly quickly

Interesting - a lawyer who could do their own suing?

I'm intrigued as to how they could establish 'true' maximum cost to form the basis of suing, unless it was just for a flight(s) with QF, without added elements.

I think that it would be hard to pin down, after the event, a maximum cost on mine - ie. booking at peak of high season and at short notice. But, that said, I still find it hard to see that it would have approached $47K even under such a scenario. Maybe the TA gets a more generous commission on these prize trips? It was a TA that specialises in organising prize travel.

It was a great trip, and free, so I'm not complaining or being ungrateful.

The main disappointment was having to check on, and often correct, what the TA had done, plus being perplexed as to why they booked discount whY when it ran the risk of trouble, but seemed entirely unnecessary.

It could have been a nightmare for a naïve traveller who simply accepted everything as it was presented.
 
I'm intrigued as to how they could establish 'true' maximum cost to form the basis of suing, unless it was just for a flight(s) with QF, without added elements.
Perhaps like you, they thought the prize value received was a bit thin and not being as satisfied as yourself took Qantas on. Sued, and Qantas would then have to depose and give evidence of all their expenditure. Seems they couldn’t cobble sufficient receipts together.

I know you’re not that terribly concerned about the issue, but was there any question of an “up to“ type qualifier wrt the advertised prize value?
 
Perhaps like you, they thought the prize value received was a bit thin and not being as satisfied as yourself took Qantas on. Sued, and Qantas would then have to depose and give evidence of all their expenditure. Seems they couldn’t cobble sufficient receipts together.

I know you’re not that terribly concerned about the issue, but was there any question of an “up to“ type qualifier wrt the advertised prize value?

No - see post #1.

During the correspondence with the TA at the end, 'up to' was mentioned in the TA's response. I did point out that 'up to' was not in the wording, including the snip that's in post #1 in my reply.

The response to that, and pointing out that we had only taken out medical travel insurance, was the offer of the 'goodwill' payment covering pretty much, in round figures, our extra expenses at FCO.

Obviously $47K was the limit, so intrinsically it was 'up to'.

I suppose the question could be better re-framed the other way: How far 'down from' $47K still constitutes a reasonable proportion of the value that was represented in the competition description, to avoid an assertion being made that it was a mis-representation?

A question for a lawyer, I guess.

While I'd be curious if anyone can provide a professionally-based response to that question, I don't intend to get myself in a knot about it.
 
Interesting - a lawyer who could do their own suing?

I'm intrigued as to how they could establish 'true' maximum cost to form the basis of suing, unless it was just for a flight(s) with QF, without added elements.

I think that it would be hard to pin down, after the event, a maximum cost on mine - ie. booking at peak of high season and at short notice. But, that said, I still find it hard to see that it would have approached $47K even under such a scenario. Maybe the TA gets a more generous commission on these prize trips? It was a TA that specialises in organising prize travel.

It was a great trip, and free, so I'm not complaining or being ungrateful.

The main disappointment was having to check on, and often correct, what the TA had done, plus being perplexed as to why they booked discount whY when it ran the risk of trouble, but seemed entirely unnecessary.

It could have been a nightmare for a naïve traveller who simply accepted everything as it was presented.
It wasn’t a trip it was cars
 
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On a related note to this thread, I guess most peeps have seen the latest competition at QF Wine:

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Notice how careful they are to now say 'up to' for the value...;)

A deeper dive into the Ts&Cs shows it's for two pax and whY airfares. o_O

BUT - the main problem with the current competition is the need to buy Moet & Chandon swill...😝
 

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