CL P1 International Lounge SYD/MEL

[serfty]

For a start, they should cut out access while flying JQ, similar to how they cut out access while flying Air Pacific.

If there ever is an example where QF and JQ are operating as separate entities (as they claim), this is a scenario to practise it.

Either that, JQ should build their own lounge.

The conception and introduction of Jetstar in 2004 had no Qantas Club access at all for SG/QP before flying JQ (CL/WP had 'anytime').

Obviously, this must have caused a significant loss of revenue for QF/JQ and QP access was re-introduced some time later. I don't seem them reverting.

(There are indeed a couple of JQ branded lounges around.)

 

[kpc]

2/ It seems to be me that your gripe/concern is the lack of exclusivity and that perhaps you might catch something from some lowly WP filth that shouldn't be above their station.

With all due respect, IMHO, as a CL you already get your bum wiped by QF (I don't), you get a spa booking regardless of what class you fly (I do only when flying F), you fly F usually so your exclusivity and extra bum-wiping occurs once you board. Not to mention that you get a personal escort from the car to the lounge just in case you forgot how to survive daily life or in case you forgot where the lounge was.

Given the above - I think you're being precious.

Just wanted to keep this for prosperity. Well said dfcatch.

 

[smit0847]

I would be curious though to hear what else people could desire beyond the current F lounge offering. More spa spots and more lavish food perhaps:?::?:

Private dining rooms with personal butlers like the TG F Lounge at BKK perhaps?

 

[amaroo]

For a start, they should cut out access while flying JQ, similar to how they cut out access while flying Air Pacific.

If there ever is an example where QF and JQ are operating as separate entities (as they claim), this is a scenario to practise it.

Either that, JQ should build their own lounge.

Why?

As someone who has earned WP then WP+ status for 4 straight years on JQ doing the weekly commute MCY-SYD-MCY, I feel that I have exactly the same right to access any lounge that my WP status provides. I fly all brands & all classes in the QF/JQ group and really can't see why anyone would object......FWIW, many CL's have homes up here & fly JQ often, seems The Great Unwashed come in all shapes, sizes & income brackets!

You earn - You enjoy.

 

[dfcatch]

Why?

As someone who has earned WP then WP+ status for 4 straight years on JQ doing the weekly commute MCY-SYD-MCY, I feel that I have exactly the same right to access any lounge that my WP status provides. I fly all brands & all classes in the QF/JQ group and really can't see why anyone would object......FWIW, many CL's have homes up here & fly JQ often, seems The Great Unwashed come in all shapes, sizes & income brackets!

You earn - You enjoy.

Perhaps the suggestion was more about "excluding domestic itineraries"..

I'm sure we can all understand that point .

That said - I truly doubt that there are that many that take advantage of JQ35 on any given day (with the odd AFF exception).

 

[haggiscat]

Hello all!

So there is a thread on AFF about the F Lounge getting quite crowded etc and I have been noticing that recently.

Do you think that a dedicated CL/P1/F international lounge could work? I know that I would like this!

Not only do you wish to restrict F Lounge access to those Platinums with 2400 points and above (see other thread), you also wish to be separated from those earning between 2400-3600 in order to enjoy a more executive lounge experience. I'm not sure with which theory of 'public service' this view accords, but I'm most glad QANTAS doesn't share your view or I'd be parking my 2200-odd self funded SCs this year with Virgin.

 

[haggiscat]

You would be eminently more credible if we didn't know who you worked for/who paid for your official travel. It's a sad world when the Prince of Wales flies J while departmental heads and sundry flunkeys/political types not only luxuriate in F on the public tit but also feel an urgent desire to totally exclude themselves from most of the travelling public.

 

[bossreggie]

I PERSONALLY feel that public servants should probably fly J internationally and Y domestically.

However, I think it's a whole public perception.

Ewing and I had Gerry Harvey, from Harvey Norman on our flight once. I was in J and Gerry and Kate Norman were in Y. (Trans-Tasman)

We ended up staying at the same hotel and Gerry told me that when he had staff travelling with him, he avoided the pointy end of the plane. We had dinner together a couple of times and he told me it was about perception.

Last time we were in the UK at the same time, I had my driver drop them back to LHR. I have a Rolls Royce Ghost in London as I am there often. Gerry loved the car and said he couldn't have one himself. I assure you that Gerry has way more money than me.... It's just he has shareholders to answer to, so he does not want to be seen like that. (He now has a BMW 7 Series provided to him by BMW Australia)

I have never had to answer to others in that sense. However when I was in business... I had to "defer" to many clients as it is also about perception. I am totally self-funded but I was still concerned when I was in business what sort of message I would send my staff and my clients.

zachary.august has an uphill battle to convince the general public AND AFF'ers that public servants deserve to travel the world in F at the taxpayers expense..... Especially when "working families" appear to be doing it tough.

If I were him..... I'd probably not mention it too often, as I fear it will not endear him to many.

Boss

 

[dfcatch]

Amen Boss!

 

[spentan]

I wish we got to fly in J, I work for a public sector organisation (AFP), and we're not allowed to fly in J at all, no matter how long the flight.

Being 6ft9in and ~175kg, I think I would be able to claim an OH&S issue of being in Y, and therefore be able to upgrade using my personal points to Y+/J.

I don't fly too much internationally, (apart from the odd trip to USA to buy clothes/shoes and see family) so being able to use the F Lounge as a 23 year old WP is great I hope they don't "enhance" it.

One day I hope to be flying everywhere in F and make it to WP1 or even CL status, but being in a technical field, hardly see CL happening.

 

[SeatBackForward]

I PERSONALLY feel that public servants should probably fly J internationally and Y domestically.

<snip>

If I were him..... I'd probably not mention it too often, as I fear it will not endear him to many.

Boss

I've had a nagging idea on the back of my mind about public servants boasting about flying in F - regularly, and think you've eloquently explained it.

 

[kpc]

I'm a public servant, and cannot fly F. Can't even use my points to upgrade to F. As BR says, is all about perception. Having said that, I'm very grateful that I can travel J on work's account. So no complaints from me...

 

[harvyk]

I PERSONALLY feel that public servants should probably fly J internationally and Y domestically.

However, I think it's a whole public perception.

I don't mind public servants flying J and F, if there is a valid reason for flying in the first place, and any public servant who flies on a somewhat frequent basis is permitted travel at that class level.

What irritates me is when managers by virtue of being a manager flies J or F, but sends their minions down the back. As far as I'm concerned it's all up the front, or all up the back. When ever I travel, anyone I travel with has the same privileges and services as I do.

 

[dfcatch]

In the interests of helping Zachary.august avoid the indignation of having to wait for an F Lounge table I'd like to do my bit to be part of the solution.

It'll be tough but someone has to do it.....

I'm happy to work for Zachary.august and do his international F trips for him!

I understand that I may have to get used to flying F on someone else's tab; that I may suffer the indignation of having to sit in a middle seat in the F cabin, that I may have to wait and then only receive 20 mins in the spa; that some lowly self-funded WP may have taken my precious table at the F lounge.....and worst of all.... I promise not to write to Alan Joyce to complain when the CSM serves the Taittinger 1999 Comtes de Champagne to someone else ahead of me! I promise to take it on the chin!

 

[zachary.august]

In the interests of helping Zachary.august avoid the indignation of having to wait for an F Lounge table I'd like to do my bit to be part of the solution.

It'll be tough but someone has to do it.....

I'm happy to work for Zachary.august and do his international F trips for him!

I understand that I may have to get used to flying F on someone else's tab; that I may suffer the indignation of having to sit in a middle seat in the F cabin, that I may have to wait and then only receive 20 mins in the spa; that some lowly self-funded WP may have taken my precious table at the F lounge.....and worst of all.... I promise not to write to Alan Joyce to complain when the CSM serves the Taittinger 1999 Comtes de Champagne to someone else ahead of me! I promise to take it on the chin!

Look I am sorry if I rubbed off on you badly. I will look to curb that. But what I posted this thread about was simply asking peoples opinions on a separate lounge. I did not intend to start class warfare nor did I expect to be insulted regarding my employment. As I have said before I have earned everything I have. I am sorry if I rub off badly on you.

 

[Ewing]

What irritates me is when managers by virtue of being a manager flies J or F, but sends their minions down the back. As far as I'm concerned it's all up the front, or all up the back. When ever I travel, anyone I travel with has the same privileges and services as I do.

Don't necessarily agree.

At my previous employer I did my time in Y until I rose through the ranks to the point where I could fly J (which is the highest attainable class).

I'd give up that entitlement on domestic travel if travelling with a "minion", but on a 15 hour flight - not a chance.

At my current employer it doesn't matter anyway. There's a Y only policy across the board for all (including the CEO).

 

[bossreggie]

Look I am sorry if I rubbed off on you badly. I will look to curb that. But what I posted this thread about was simply asking peoples opinions on a separate lounge. I did not intend to start class warfare nor did I expect to be insulted regarding my employment. As I have said before I have earned everything I have. I am sorry if I rub off badly on you.

Hey zachary.august.

I think you maybe just need to tone it down a little. The whole thing about "pollies perks" and public servant travel is a touchy subject among the general Australian population at the best of times.

I would not look on this as any form of "personal attack". I just think that to many people it's probably better not to be "rubbed in their face" for want of a better phrase.

The AFF community is very diverse, but generally they are an intelligent group who collectively understand a great deal about flying. Most will NEVER fly F, OR sit in the CL. For those of us who do both, on a regular basis, possibly our expectations are a bit more than others.

I remember my first F flight.... Certainly I was overwhelmed by pretty much everything. I used to get to the lounges early and savour everything on offer. Nowadays, I don't even use the CL every time I fly. I like to sit and be left alone.

I understand your OP..... I think there could be something a little more for those flying F. Everyone is different though and we need to be mindful of how we come across to others. ESPECIALLY if we are in a privileged position. As I said before... A lot of it is about perception.

Those people who have met me, I'm pretty sure would say that I am a very down to earth guy, who uses his manners, is respectful of others and who probably drinks a bit too much.

I am a person who takes NOTHING for granted and who enjoys life.

Boss

 

[dfcatch]

Markis10 - (and Zachary.august),

Apologies if my post was out of order - perhaps the lack of smileys failed to convey my attempt at humor.

No offense meant to anyone - light-heartedness was the intention.

I apologize and withdraw

 

[harvyk]

Don't necessarily agree.

At my previous employer I did my time in Y until I rose through the ranks to the point where I could fly J (which is the highest attainable class).

I'd give up that entitlement on domestic travel if travelling with a "minion", but on a 15 hour flight - not a chance.

At my current employer it doesn't matter anyway. There's a Y only policy across the board for all (including the CEO).

I was more referring to travel policies which typically see the companies road warriors down the back putting in the big miles and the once a year business trip manager up the front for a 2 hour flight.

A classic example of this I have seen, at a previous job they sent some employees on a trip to the US. The company policy was F for anything over 8 hours, but because of the high numbers of people going (and thus the expense) the CEO asked everyone who was going to fly in Y. The perfect response that a colleague my mine gave back to the CEO was, "I'll fly in the seat next to you". The CEO quickly changed her tune when she realised she'd have no choice but to fly Y as well, lest she wanted to risk losing the respect of everyone.

 

[support]

This thread has been closed as it appears to have served its purpose and we are getting dangerously close to people continually attacking each other.