Coast to Coast [Economy] Cost Cutting

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Flew SYD-PER return over the weekend in Y.

It feels like VA is cost cutting with the meal service. The dinner meal service wasn't on a tray - the hot meal was wrapped in the white napkin and there was no dessert on either journey.

There was a 2nd drink service 1 hour after the meal service with the choice of a sweet or savoury snack (or as Brad the hostie said "We have a bikkie or rice crackers love!")

Is VA Trying to go green or just eliminating dessert and a meal tray to clean. Bring back the chocolate mousse!
 
Flew SYD-PER return over the weekend in Y.

It feels like VA is cost cutting with the meal service. The dinner meal service wasn't on a tray - the hot meal was wrapped in the white napkin and there was no dessert on either journey.

Yes, this was brought in last Wednesday. I thought it left the tray table rather messy and yes, no dessert anymore.
 
Just when you thought VA catering couldn't get much worse...
 
I am not surprised. I am sure the major shareholders have told VA to keep cost down or else ....
 
Hey, something has to pay for all those fancy schmancy market-ripping J seats, which we all love to fly in!

Anyway, but seriously... methinks the direct competition isn't much better? Aren't QF down to box meals themselves with a standard piece of chocolate to finish off in Y, and no second meal service (except red eyes where the second service is usually juice and something)?
 
I am not surprised. I am sure the major shareholders have told VA to keep cost down or else ....

Most likely, but IMHO it's a short-sighted view when cost-cutting impacts negatively on the customer experience. Now that VA are pretty much the same price as QF, I suspect they will continue to lose customers if this continues...
 
Far out. I flew PER-MEL return a few weeks back and thought things were bare bones then. A small tray containing a small hot meal, a dinner roll (the cheap ones you buy in the freezer isle) and a tiny mousse.

Thankfully I saw the guy across the isle buy a few items from the BOB menu. He was asked for cash, because the CC machine was out of service. I ended up ordering some Gin and snacks - but unfortunately I thought I only had my cards, so it was comped.
 
Hey, something has to pay for all those fancy schmancy market-ripping J seats, which we all love to fly in!

Anyway, but seriously... methinks the direct competition isn't much better? Aren't QF down to box meals themselves with a standard piece of chocolate to finish off in Y, and no second meal service (except red eyes where the second service is usually juice and something)?

Dont QF bring an ice cream around later or something.
 
This isn't good to hear. The last VA MEL-PER I did about 6 months ago was bad enough! That was not even a meal, it was a paper bag containing I think a dodgy wrap and a cookie.

QF on the other hand do have box meals, but the quality & quantity is a lot higher than this - and yes you get an icecream.

Generally the 2 aren't priced very far apart these days, VA usually just under the QF price to capture BFOD flyers.
 
I noticed the same thing. I flew MEL-PER on May-6 and got the proper meal on a tray + desert, but on my PER-MEL and MEL-PER flights on monday/friday last week I got the stingy foil tray + napkin + roll. I actually sent them a complaint on facebook to let them know that this might hurt them longer term if FF start defecting to QF (which I'd probably do if they would status match me, but I don't want to give up lounge access for 6 months).
 
VA Y food is worse now than when we had to pay for it. At least when we paid, the fares were cheaper and the range of the food offering was actually reasonable. Now they've restricted the offering for BOB and give some scabby moursel to supposedly make people feel fed! They really lose the plot at times, as people know when they're being ripped off and when peole feel ripped off, they tend to choose someone else (and JQ will be the choice of many).
 
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I've been flying VA pretty solidly the last couple of weeks due to a contract with a company that has *very* close ties to them and therefore no other option but to fly them. Having only flown them sporadically beforehand I must say they have really dropped the ball and I feel that staff morale has followed suit.

The lounge food, which was never great remains the same old choices, nothing new, ever. The planes are often dirty with rubbish still on the floors and seat pockets. The 'refreshments' are an absolute joke, a half cup of water and a fun size carmans muesli bar V a Qantas offering at same time of day of a tomato salsa dip, crackers, soy crisps, chocolate and a full bottle of water. The staff are robotic, throw the refreshments down then disappear for the rest of the flight. J food is average and the service not much better.

I'm really hoping SQ just buy them out and be done with it, inject some cash into them and a new CEO. I really am beginning to loathe flying them now!
 
I've been flying VA pretty solidly the last couple of weeks due to a contract with a company that has *very* close ties to them and therefore no other option but to fly them. Having only flown them sporadically beforehand I must say they have really dropped the ball and I feel that staff morale has followed suit.

The lounge food, which was never great remains the same old choices, nothing new, ever. The planes are often dirty with rubbish still on the floors and seat pockets. The 'refreshments' are an absolute joke, a half cup of water and a fun size carmans muesli bar V a Qantas offering at same time of day of a tomato salsa dip, crackers, soy crisps, chocolate and a full bottle of water. The staff are robotic, throw the refreshments down then disappear for the rest of the flight. J food is average and the service not much better.

I'm really hoping SQ just buy them out and be done with it, inject some cash into them and a new CEO. I really am beginning to loathe flying them now!

But the problem is that SQ/EY/NZ has been constantly injecting cash into VA. They can only do so much before they say, I am not going to put up more cash, either cut costs or greatly increase revenue. With current economic climate, it would have to be former.
 
The planes are often dirty with rubbish still on the floors and seat pockets.
Speaking of which, I flown VA J 3 times in the last fortnight and each time there was rubbish on the floor. I'm not sure of the implication, but it is not a good look.

I'm not sure what they can do. Borgetti tried to raise the bar but it got jammed on the way up, but the fares have continued unhindered in an upward direction. I think the only thing they can do is to spend more, create the product they originally intended and wear the losses until they do actually become accepted as a genuine alternative. People will buy if they see value and they won't if they see a rip off. VA have lost sight of that. In my opinion, they've gone the hard yards, now all they have to do is offer decent food in the air and in the lounge, offer spirits in the lounge and introduce life time status and they'd be ahead of QF. Surely that can't be too much of a burden.
 
Speaking of which, I flown VA J 3 times in the last fortnight and each time there was rubbish on the floor. I'm not sure of the implication, but it is not a good look.

I'm not sure what they can do. Borgetti tried to raise the bar but it got jammed on the way up, but the fares have continued unhindered in an upward direction. I think the only thing they can do is to spend more, create the product they originally intended and wear the losses until they do actually become accepted as a genuine alternative. People will buy if they see value and they won't if they see a rip off. VA have lost sight of that. In my opinion, they've gone the hard yards, now all they have to do is offer decent food in the air and in the lounge, offer spirits in the lounge and introduce life time status and they'd be ahead of QF. Surely that can't be too much of a burden.

I agree with all you say, and would add - get some decent fuel hedging analysts in! If they were profiting as much as the other airlines are right now, then their problems wouldn't be so severe.
 
Having only flown them sporadically beforehand I must say they have really dropped the ball and I feel that staff morale has followed suit.

This issue has not had isolated appearances of late. It is rather amazing to hear about this, and at the same time rather concerning.

The planes are often dirty with rubbish still on the floors and seat pockets.

Speaking of which, I flown VA J 3 times in the last fortnight and each time there was rubbish on the floor. I'm not sure of the implication, but it is not a good look.

I find this rather amazing. My experience of VA last time was that the plane was relatively clean. I didn't find rubbish on the floor or in my seat pocket. If I were VA I'd be cracking the whip on their cleaning company, unless of course VA are failing to set the schedule for cleaning correctly themselves.

The 'refreshments' are an absolute joke, a half cup of water and a fun size carmans muesli bar V a Qantas offering at same time of day of a tomato salsa dip, crackers, soy crisps, chocolate and a full bottle of water. The staff are robotic, throw the refreshments down then disappear for the rest of the flight.

When VA started offering complimentary refreshments, they set the bar rather low and haven't really raised it. They were always small servings and only tea, coffee or water was free. Mind, one might argue that the Qantas difference is nearly immaterial, reflective of the usual slightly higher fares (or not so slight). That is, the difference between a half-sized muesli bar and crisps+dip and a thumb-sized chocolate is nearly nil, particularly if your absolute judgement scale regards both offerings as a joke anyway.

J food is average and the service not much better.

When was the last time you flew VA J, particularly coast to coast? There seem to be many good reviews on this, including the food and commonly on the service.

I'm not sure what they can do. Borgetti tried to raise the bar but it got jammed on the way up, but the fares have continued unhindered in an upward direction. I think the only thing they can do is to spend more, create the product they originally intended and wear the losses until they do actually become accepted as a genuine alternative. People will buy if they see value and they won't if they see a rip off. VA have lost sight of that. In my opinion, they've gone the hard yards, now all they have to do is offer decent food in the air and in the lounge, offer spirits in the lounge and introduce life time status and they'd be ahead of QF. Surely that can't be too much of a burden.

See this is interesting. We have heard that Borghetti implemented the game change plan (maybe it's still being implemented) and it has been a roaring success. It has lifted the old DJ into a new competitive level and it was generally accepted across AFF at least for some years now that VA was a true alternative to QF, especially on the domestic front as well as in the loyalty programme space. They were seen to offer novel service that seemed to be better than QF (had a better gloss, better quality, etc.) and yet at cheaper prices. They had decent food in the air (still do?) and many people seemed content with what they offered in the lounge (especially if compared to a QP rather than a J Lounge).

It wasn't as if VA wasn't trampling all over QF, and the latter has attempted to "catch up" and "straighten up", but then again, as we have heard many times, JB prefers a cautious, stolid and flexible approach, and he isn't out to conquer the world. Where did it seem to go wrong? Or rather, is it going wrong, or is this just a speed bump? (Don't forget how bitterly many of us eulogised "prematurely" about the bleeding death of the red roo not too long ago)
 
This issue has not had isolated appearances of late. It is rather amazing to hear about this, and at the same time rather concerning.


When was the last time you flew VA J, particularly coast to coast? There seem to be many good reviews on this, including the food and commonly on the service.

Yes it doesn't seem to be isolated events anymore with all the reports, when I read them it mirrored some of my experiences recently.

Coast to coast every 2 weeks at the moment in J. Have been downgraded twice to 737's from booked A330 flights (I know, it can happen to any airline but I have a sneaking suspicion VA are doing it more often when they aren't selling seats - suspicion only!). I feel the service has really become quite wooden, and the cabin staff do disappear quite quickly but a press of the call button brings them back pretty quickly. I would say their food is ok, but QF definitely superior. Certainly the A330 C2C there is far less to complain about but that is only a small part of my flying. My general comments are more from the usual 737/EMB/ATR flying.
 
It wasn't as if VA wasn't trampling all over QF, and the latter has attempted to "catch up" and "straighten up", but then again, as we have heard many times, JB prefers a cautious, stolid and flexible approach, and he isn't out to conquer the world. Where did it seem to go wrong? Or rather, is it going wrong, or is this just a speed bump? (Don't forget how bitterly many of us eulogised "prematurely" about the bleeding death of the red roo not too long ago)

How long since you've travelled VA? VA has certainly gone backward with redemption availability, food, cleanliness, crew service, crew friendliness and fair fares. They've not progressed on anything. They are no longer cheaper than QF. They've upped to fares to be identical and miles ahead of JQ yet JQ offers a similar Y experience (leaving aside row 3). In fact JQ offers a far better selection of food.....you just have to buy it, or not, the choice is yours. VA still wins for me with fly ahead, family pooling, the odd J sale and redemption taxes but fall behind in a strong int alliance.
 
How long since you've travelled VA?

Touché. :) Last September. I didn't notice anything really amiss, though, except that the coast to coast menu looked a lot, lot thinner than I remembered it.

VA has certainly gone backward with redemption availability...

You realise they have just won an award for this? :) I maintain that is somewhat the case, although the experts here say there is almost no difference, or at least the competition is worse.

crew service, crew friendliness

Again, this I have heard, albeit it hasn't hit the tabloids, and it is concerning. But hey, at least they are younger and better looking than QF, right?

...fair fares.

Capitalism means little in the face of fairness. The winner is the one who can charge the most and still get away with it. Even in tough times, it seems VA can do it, or at the very least keep at arms length to the competition and still bring in enough dough to look like an upstanding operation, albeit perhaps mired in the red. Then again, the stakeholders in VA may not see kindly to lowering those fares even to stimulate sales, in the face of losing revenue in a time when it seems vitally needed.

VA, I believe, still has a significant "new kid" glow about them, which brings them in significant business which, on a purely "scientific" basis, you'd think they would not garner. That is, given the alternative is Qantas, people would rather try the alternative in VA with a different approach which looks less "stale" than fly with the old "battle axe" QF. Their points of difference in the FF programme also give them quite a boost there.

VA still wins for me with fly ahead, family pooling, the odd J sale and redemption taxes but fall behind in a strong int alliance.

...and finally the reality hits. They may be cutting back, or so we are lead to believe, but you're still here. :) Whether that is enough for them to survive is another thing.
 
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