Companion Sales - Discrimination?

[VPS]

Nice for Qantas to have the companion sale Red Roo but I will have my regular rant about how this doesn't help single people who travel alone and discriminated against - Rant Over - thank you

 

[Hvr]

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Nice for Qantas to have the companion sale Red Roo but I will have my regular rant about how this doesn't help single people who travel alone and discriminated against - Rant Over - thank you

Given we need a partner/SO/friend to access these fares, shouldn't you supply one?

 

[Deleted member]

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Nice for Qantas to have the companion sale Red Roo but I will have my regular rant about how this doesn't help single people who travel alone and discriminated against - Rant Over - thank you

Or even married pax who travel alone

 

[Sprucegoose]

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Nice for Qantas to have the companion sale Red Roo but I will have my regular rant about how this doesn't help single people who travel alone and discriminated against - Rant Over - thank you

No discrimination.Single is a choice. There are volume discounts everywhere. Individually your housing, car, hotel rooms will always cost more per head as well. Overall a couple will pay more in total than you will (if you choose to fly solo).

 

[VPS]

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No discrimination.Single is a choice. There are volume discounts everywhere. Individually your housing, car, hotel rooms will always cost more per head as well. Overall a couple will pay more in total than you will (if you choose to fly solo).

I'm not going to get into a debate but I think your comment of Single is a choice is certainly not true for many people - yes things are more expensive travelling as a single but it would be nice for Qantas to say well if you're single you can have 50% off the fare the same as a couple

 

[JohnK]

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I'm not going to get into a debate but I think your comment of Single is a choice is certainly not true for many people - yes things are more expensive travelling as a single but it would be nice for Qantas to say well if you're single you can have 50% off the fare the same as a couple

We have been through this before and AFF is never wrong.

Why exclude certain people from sales or why target a specific group? Why can't these low fares be for everyone? The discrimination is quite clear but it isn't limited to just Qantas. All airlines are doing it.

 

[OzEire]

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Re companion fare: singles aren't discriminated. Far as I understand it the companion can be anyone, not just a 'spouse'. Could be a child, work colleague, client, friend....

 

[medhead]

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Re companion fare: singles aren't discriminated. Far as I understand it the companion can be anyone, not just a 'spouse'. Could be a child, work colleague, client, friend....

Don't bring facts into this...

 

[esseeeayeenn]

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Re companion fare: singles aren't discriminated. Far as I understand it the companion can be anyone, not just a 'spouse'. Could be a child, work colleague, client, friend....

What that establishes is that single travellers are not totally excluded from the deal.
Which is a different question.

 

[medhead]

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So are married/defacto couples who can't travel during the sale period discriminated against? Or is it just bad luck that they can't use the sale? You know, excrement happens.

What that establishes is that single travellers are not totally excluded from the deal.
Which is a different question.

 

[esseeeayeenn]

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That's yet another tangent.
The answer is no, because obviously everyone is susceptible to those sorts of circumstances, regardless of their relationship status.

I wasn't the one complaining about single travellers, I was just making a point about the logic of a reply.
However, since we are on the topic, I can understand their point.
Travelling alone is already much more expensive because accomodation is generally provided at the same cost whether it is for 1 or 2 people.

But there are lots of sales I can't take advantage of, so I'm not shedding any tears over this one.
To be honest the fares aren't low enough to inspire me anyway.

 

[OzEire]

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Red Roo started this by mentioning the companion fares in the OP, but it still feels OT.

A meal is sold on a plate basis, if two or 10 people share the plate, same price. Do you feel aggrieved when restaurants offer 2-4-1 deals? A hotel room is sold on a room basis. (Legal or otherwise) if you can cram 5 people in there it's a single price (if you don't tell the hotel.) A rental car similar time based, a train ticket is per head, ... A theatre seat...etc.

An airline seat (ignoring infant in lap) is sold on a seat basis - two people occupy double the real estate and get two meals (both get lounge access if purchasing J, etc). I get where singles are coming from.

So I am offering my service as a companion to any single AFFer flying J or F, I just need some notice, PM me

 

[farstar]

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Red Roo started this by mentioning the companion fares in the OP, but it still feels OT.

A meal is sold on a plate basis, if two or 10 people share the plate, same price. Do you feel aggrieved when restaurants offer 2-4-1 deals? A hotel room is sold on a room basis. (Legal or otherwise) if you can cram 5 people in there it's a single price (if you don't tell the hotel.) A rental car similar time based, a train ticket is per head, ... A theatre seat...etc.

An airline seat (ignoring infant in lap) is sold on a seat basis - two people occupy double the real estate and get two meals (both get lounge access if purchasing J, etc). I get where singles are coming from.

So I am offering my service as a companion to any single AFFer flying J or F, I just need some notice, PM me

I find any 2 for 1 offensive as a single person I am excluded. It is discrimination like on martial status but no one cares.

 

[trixydoza]

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I find any 2 for 1 offensive as a single person I am excluded. It is discrimination like on martial status but no one cares.

The other day there was a sale fare to Hong Kong, but I didn't want to go there. Freakin' ridiculous.

 

[medhead]

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I find any 2 for 1 offensive as a single person I am excluded. It is discrimination like on martial status but no one cares.

Unless it says 2 single people can't use the 2 for 1 price in the terms and conditions, it is extremely difficult to agree that single people are excluded.

 

[esseeeayeenn]

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Unless it says 2 single people can't use the 2 for 1 price in the terms and conditions, it is extremely difficult to agree that single people are excluded.

It isn't necessary to exclude people completely to be discriminatory.
For example, dress standards in country pubs which make it more difficult for indigneous people to gain entry.
Or regularly holding staff meetings at 5:00 PM - that doesn't explicitly exclude women, but makes it more difficult for them to attend if they have to pick children up after school.
And yes not all women have children and some fathers pick their children up after school as well. That's the point. Discrimination doesn't have to be about absolutes.

Obviously single people are more likely to want to travel alone. I wouldn't have seen as much of the world as I have if I'd waited for someone to come with me.
There never seem to be special offers for single travellers - even though we offer some convenience for airlines.
It's easy for them to shuffle us around for operational reasons.

However, as I said, I'm not bothered by my inability to take advantage of this offer as it doesn't seem terribly attractive anyway.

 

[medhead]

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It isn't necessary to exclude people completely to be discriminatory.
For example, dress standards in country pubs which make it more difficult for indigneous people to gain entry.

I would argue those dress standards are set on the basis of race.

Or regularly holding staff meetings at 5:00 PM - that doesn't explicitly exclude women, but makes it more difficult for them to attend if they have to pick children up after school.
And yes not all women have children and some fathers pick their children up after school as well. That's the point. Discrimination doesn't have to be about absolutes.

It would be the people staying at the meeting that would be discriminated against in that case.

Obviously single people are more likely to want to travel alone. I wouldn't have seen as much of the world as I have if I'd waited for someone to come with me.
There never seem to be special offers for single travellers - even though we offer some convenience for airlines.
It's easy for them to shuffle us around for operational reasons.

However, as I said, I'm not bothered by my inability to take advantage of this offer as it doesn't seem terribly attractive anyway.

One definition of discrimination is below. There are many elements to that definition, one of which is a class of person. I'm yet to see how a 2 for 1 seat sale negatively impacts all single people, as a group. It only impacts some individuals depending on their circumstances. To further support that, I'm married and can't use the sale because of my circumstances. That's an individual issue not discrimination against a group.

1. Discrimination is treatment or consideration of, or making a distinction in favor of or against, a person or thing based on the group, class, or category to which that person or thing is perceived to belong to rather than on individual merit.

Basically I'm fed up with the constant screams of discrimination everytime there is a 2 for 1 sale, as if it is a personal vendetta against all single people. Nothing can be further from reality.

 

[JohnK]

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Re companion fare: singles aren't discriminated. Far as I understand it the companion can be anyone, not just a 'spouse'. Could be a child, work colleague, client, friend....

Single, solo, travellers are excluded.

All other sales are open to everyone so Qantas and other airlines feel they need a special companion sale? Normal sales aren't enough?

 

[mannej]

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Single, solo, travellers are excluded.

All other sales are open to everyone so Qantas and other airlines feel they need a special companion sale? Normal sales aren't enough?

In all fairness JohnK, single is an unnecessary addition to the argument, as it is those traveling solo affected. Marital status is irrelevant here.

 

[JohnK]

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In all fairness JohnK, single is an unnecessary addition to the argument, as it is those traveling solo affected. Marital status is irrelevant here.

In all fairness mannej I feel the point is valid. I am no longer single but excluded from the sale because I travel solo. I am a single traveller. I travel more often than most yet Qantas sees fit to exclude me from these sales. It is discriminatory. It alienates. It is poor marketing.

That's just my opinion.