Coronavirus and Smoking.

[Renato1]

Charts can be interesting. Not exactly following the trajectory for a flu

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Coronavirus definitely spreads more rapidly than flu.
But the mortality rate from seasonal flu is generally given as 0.065 to 0.1%.
If Coronavirus only winds up being two or three times as bad - it will be hard to justify having wrecked the world economy for the equivalent of two or three really bad flu seasons.
Regards,
Renato

 

[Renato1]

No. See here: List of scientific misconduct incidents - Wikipedia

There's a list of around 100 studies where reported facts are not reported facts.

The Daily Mail's reported facts are The Daily Mail's reported facts.
If on the slimmest of chances it transpires that there was misconduct in the Chinese study, that is another matter altogether.
Neither Princess Fiona nor I are in a position to know that.
Regards,
Renato

 

[Princess Fiona]

Coronavirus definitely spreads more rapidly than flu.
But the mortality rate from seasonal flu is generally given as 0.065 to 0.1%.
If Coronavirus only winds up being two or three times as bad - it will be hard to justify having wrecked the world economy for the equivalent of two or three really bad flu seasons.
Regards,
Renato

You are forgetting the all cause mortality which would increase due to an overwhelmed healthcare system if it’s allowed to spread unmitigated.

 

[Princess Fiona]

The Daily Mail's reported facts are The Daily Mail's reported facts.
If on the slimmest of chances it transpires that there was misconduct in the Chinese study, that is another matter altogether.
Neither Princess Fiona nor I are in a position to know that.
Regards,
Renato

I’m not suggesting any misconduct in the study. It’s the interpretation of the results by the Daily Mail and readers that is questionable.

 

[Renato1]

Correlation does not equal causation.
This is something that the Daily Mail and their readers fail to grasp.

Correlation does not equal causation. But a correlation is certainly a call for further investigation to see if there are any causative aspects.

Do I detect some notion that the Daily Mail is too low brow for you?

Whereas you favour the more refined papers of record - that could not be bothered to bring to your attention the various studies reported upon by the Daily Mail?
Regards,
Renato

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Italy, Spain, France, New York State all saw the bodies build up and then all acted with strict measures to prevent even more massive mortality rates. They all had the choice to just keep acting like they only had a seasonal flu. Did they? No.

Greece acted early. Compare their body count to their nearby neighbours. Do the Greeks wish that they had acted more like their neighbours in Italy, Spain, Belgium, the UK etc?

 

[Renato1]

Italy, Spain, France, New York State all saw the bodies build up and then all acted with strict measures to prevent even more massive mortality rates. They all had the choice to just keep acting like they only had a seasonal flu. Did they? No.

Greece acted early. Compare their body count to their nearby neighbours. Do the Greeks wish that they had acted more like their neighbours in Italy, Spain, Belgium, the UK etc?

Something weird definitely happened in Italy - more than half the country's deaths occurring in Lombardy. Most of the remainder in four other northern regions. Rest of the country below Florence looks like less than the flu.

Something weird happened in USA - half the deaths occuring in New York state and New Jersey. Three other states with over 1000 deaths. Rest of the country looks like less than the flu.

Greece is actually doing far worse than in southern Italy next door.

Anyhow, it's all speculation for now. If you check my other thread on the California Update, in a few weeks time we'll have data from all over the world with accurate figures on mortality rates, which we don't have now.
Regards,
Renato

 

[lovetravellingoz]

1/ Something weird happened in Italy

Yes it is called Covid 19.



2/ It has caused more deaths in the north than in other parts of Italy.

It started in the north. And yes if one takes measures against it then it kills less people. Batshit crazy stuff eh.

 

[Pushka]

Correlation does not equal causation.
This is something that the Daily Mail and their readers fail to grasp.

Yep. Posted this on 29 March in the now closed Beach Closure thread. (Hence I cant quote it properly.). Strangely it was in response to the same poster. Who would have guessed.

Mar 29, 2020

Correlation versus causation will get ya every time.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

If you act it reduces CV19.

From the news...more weird cough on where if the community acts CV19 effects are less.

California took some of the country’s earliest and most aggressive actions to slow the outbreak, enacting shelter-in-place measures on March 19. The efforts seem to have succeeded in flattening the curve of the disease, and put the state in a position where it could be among the first in the US to consider partially reopening. California’s guidelines may influence other regions considering their own plans to ease restrictions.

 

[admin]

But on the other hand, smokers seem significantly less likely to get the virus in the first place.

You can't be serious!!

Closing this thread - nothing more to say.