COVID-19 in Japan and Japanese waters

[lovetravellingoz]

Olympics: Year before Games, Tokyo better prepared than any city before - IOC

A year before hosting the 2020 Olympics, Tokyo is better prepared than any other city in the past to host the Games, Olympic chief Thomas Bach said on Wednesday.

www.reuters.com

Hard to imagine them using water sprays now.

Why?

That will be at the height of summer and Covid-19 even if out in the general Japaneses populace will most likely be dormant.

The issue will be next winter more likely.

 

[Pushka]

Why?

That will be at the height of summer and Covid-19 even if out in the general Japaneses populace will most likely be dormant.

The issue will be next winter more likely.

That’s guesswork at the moment otherwise Singapore wouldnt be an issue.

 

[Jacques Vert]

Debarking of other pax continues.

Don't you mean "disembarking"?

Debarking is something you do to dogs Although that procedure may be appropriate for some people I've met

 

[disruptivedolphin]

None whatsoever for the entire islands of Shikoku and Kyushu, which seems about as realistic as Indonesia's figures.

Appears to be some news coming in from Fukuoka (City) now...

17 tests conducted to date, first positive just announced. Male in his 60s with no recent overseas travel.

 

[moa999]

Somewhat common cruise slang afaik
debarkation or disembarkation used interchangeably by the various lines

 

[disruptivedolphin]

Professor denies he was pressured to remove videos on virus-hit ship

A Japanese infection control expert removed YouTube videos Thursday in which he criticized the handling of the coronavirus outbreak on the Diamond Princess cruise ship quarantined in Yokohama, saying the situation had improved. In a Twitter post, Kentaro Iwata, a professor at Kobe University...

japantoday.com

A Japanese infectious diseases expert on Thursday removed videos criticizing the situation on the Diamond Princess, a coronavirus-hit cruise ship docked in Yokohama, from YouTube.

In a Twitter post, Kentaro Iwata, a professor at Kobe University Hospital, offered "a heartfelt apology" to those troubled by the videos, whose recordings in Japanese and English had garnered over 1.5 million and 300,000 views, respectively.

 

[disruptivedolphin]

Two deaths from the cruise ship, a man and woman each in their eighties.

 

[Jacques Vert]

Somewhat common cruise slang afaik
debarkation or disembarkation used interchangeably by the various lines

As a bit of a mariner in a previous life: disembarkation and debarkation (or debarcation) are all acceptable; but debarking has another meaning altogether so, in relation to a ship, it should be disembarking. Sorry to be pedantic.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

That’s guesswork at the moment otherwise Singapore wouldnt be an issue.

I think your logic is flawed. Singapore's cases are probably mainly due to infected people having arrived from elsewhere.

 

[Pushka]

I think your logic is flawed. Singapore's cases are probably mainly due to infected people having arrived from elsewhere.

Just one quick google suggests no.

From Singapore to UK via the Alps: how one man spread coronavirus - France 24

From Singapore to UK via the Alps: how one man spread coronavirus

www.france24.com

Different example

4 locally transmitted cases among new coronavirus patients in Singapore

SINGAPORE: Singapore confirmed on Tuesday (Feb 4) its first locally transmitted cases of the novel coronavirus, among six new cases of the disease detected in the country.Four Singapore residents with no recent travel history to China have tested positive for the virus, which has

www.channelnewsasia.com

 

[moa999]

So it looks like final ship stats is about 20% infected - which is about the same in early tests 20/103 on Day 2 for example, so possible the quarantine did work, though hard to prove given the lack of testing.

Have there been any reports of pax who left the ship between Jan 20-25 when the initial suspect carrier was onboard or before Feb 1 when the quarantine started? Or was it primarily a long cruise with few passengers leaving?

 

[disruptivedolphin]

So it looks like final ship stats is about 20% infected - which is about the same in early tests 20/103 on Day 2 for example, so possible the quarantine did work, though hard to prove given the lack of testing.

Where are you getting that from?

Today's figures haven't been released yet, it wasn't at 20% as of yesterday, and many of the crew have yet to be tested, so we're still some way away from any 'final' figure.

 

[moa999]

Where are you getting that from?

COVID-19 pandemic on cruise ships - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[disruptivedolphin]

COVID-19 pandemic on cruise ships - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

3,011 is the number of tests conducted, not the number of people tested.

Only relevant figure is 621 infected out of 3,711 on board. 1,045 crew in that figure, and the percentage of them tested is considerably lower than for the passengers.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Just one quick google suggests no.

From Singapore to UK via the Alps: how one man spread coronavirus - France 24

From Singapore to UK via the Alps: how one man spread coronavirus

www.france24.com

Different example

4 locally transmitted cases among new coronavirus patients in Singapore

SINGAPORE: Singapore confirmed on Tuesday (Feb 4) its first locally transmitted cases of the novel coronavirus, among six new cases of the disease detected in the country.Four Singapore residents with no recent travel history to China have tested positive for the virus, which has

www.channelnewsasia.com

Ah quick googles, which are the source of much misinformation and panic.

What logic are you applying? A few cases proves nothing about how likely corona-virus's may be spread..

What we know about corona-virus's is that they are less prevalent in the hotter months and more prevalent in the colder months.

People do catch flu in the height of an Australian Summer in Australia, but that is not when most people catch the flu in Australia.

So some people now catching Covid-19 in Singapore would not yet have me putting aside the history of past similar viruses, and even moreso as most seem to have links to Chinese Carriers.

PS:
1/The British guy most likely was infected from a a person originating from China that he came into close contact with, or an object that the person and he both touched..

2/ With your second example:
One of them was a tour guide for a group of Chinese tourists, two work at a shop the group had visited, while a fourth case of local transmission was the domestic helper of one of the cases, the Ministry of Health (MOH) said at a briefing.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

So it looks like final ship stats is about 20% infected - which is about the same in early tests 20/103 on Day 2 for example, so possible the quarantine did work, though hard to prove given the lack of testing.

Have there been any reports of pax who left the ship between Jan 20-25 when the initial suspect carrier was onboard or before Feb 1 when the quarantine started? Or was it primarily a long cruise with few passengers leaving?

Well given the comments from the Japanese Infectious Disease expert who was on the ship for a day the quarantine practices were lacking and seem to be a case of where a little bit of knowledge is dangerous.

ie Masks worn, but no worn properly. No proper separation of the infected. Untrained staff dealing with the infected and also dealing with all other passengers as well etc

Not surprising really as look at how the same crews manage gastro.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Sorry if you don’t like search engines - surprisingly medical research is located in this manner.

Oh I like search engines. As a professional I use them all the time.

But your quoted two links do not actually support your hypothesis on Singapore and hot weather.

Wasn’t the point you were making that Singaporean cases are the result of people travelling directly from China and not locals or non Chinese developing it in Singapore with no recent history of travel to China?

No. I was disagreeing with your point that Singapore proves that the Covid-19 will not a lesser problem in countries in the hotter months compared to their winter months.

Also the links you posted were both of cases developed from primarily infected Chinese travelling. One was infected by a Singaporean who got it from a travelling Chinese.


Neither offered any evidence that Covid-19 would not a lesser problem in summer months. All both articles showed was that people with active Covid-19 can transmit it to another person. This is known and not in dispute.

 

[moa999]

3,011 is the number of tests conducted, not the number of people tested.

Wikipage uses the word "tested" and following the source to the Japanese reports it seems to refer to people tested.

Given they've still not tested everyone I wouldn't think there are many doubles anyway.

 

[disruptivedolphin]

Wikipage uses the word "tested" and following the source to the Japanese reports it seems to refer to people tested.

Given they've still not tested everyone I wouldn't think there are many doubles anyway.

Wrong on both counts.

クルーズ船新たに７９人感染確認｜NHK 首都圏のニュース

新型コロナウイルスの集団感染が確認されたクルーズ船で、１９日新たに７９人の感染が確認されました。 これでクルーズ船の乗客・乗員で感染が確認…

www3.nhk.or.jp

Key word in the Japanese is 延べ.

 

[zenyattamondatta]

Yet again, the facts get drowned out by squabbling.