Disabled on fixed income, looking to accrue Qantas points for travel.

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I was hoping for both, but will settle for obtaining a premium pass and slowly building up enough points to get lifetime silver or gold over the next 5-10 years.

What is a premium pass? Do you mean a Qantas Club membership, or Priority Pass?

You need 7000 SC to reach Lifetime Silver, and 14000 SC to reach Lifetime Gold. That equates to somewhere around the $20k and $40k mark at the absolute minimum - flying on MH fares within Asia for example.

Reaching either of these milestones within 10 years, while being restricted to just 28 days per year overseas, is going to be borderline impossible.

(Does anyone else get the feeling this thread is one big troll?)
 
I think you are continuing to confuse points with credits again. Points don’t get you lounge access unless it’s in J/F.
 
Given this summary, excessive unnecessary air travel sounds like the worst possible thing you could put yourself through.

What happens if you have a seizure in the air? How quickly would you require medical assistance? If it took 30, 45 or 60 minutes to land and get you to a hospital, what would the consequences be?

I can get travel insurance and TBH, the consequences of dying on a plane are not as bad as the consequences of a life lived stuck in a bedroom, seeing the world through VR only.

Benefits often stop when you leave the country and resume when you return. Depends on the benefit of course. With newstart I was required to justify how I could afford the trip, even though it was booked/paid for long before I was on their books.

Yep but they're also automatically approved and backdated if you book yourself into a mental ward after being cut off which I can do by simply waltzing in, explaining my medical history and how not having a payment with my illness make me feel(all 100 percent legitimate, all I have to do is tell the truth rather than sugarcoating it like I normally do with doctors to get them to back off) without holding back anything and they'll admit me for observation to a low security ward. A week to two weeks spent in a ward with people licking windows or shaking in corners on my phone in VR(hope private is better), on my tablet watching movies or a playing games on a laptop between sessions of talking about how centerlink treats me for having an illness, automatically exempts me from any requirements for up to a year and forces them to backdate me to the date I was admitted.

Last time I was forced in, I was able to smuggle cigarettes, lighters, matches and alcohol into their high security ward with the help of friends and turned the joint into a party zone every night because I got sick of being told what to do after having a black box reaction and having the doctor delay addressing it until the PCA who is my carer now was able to show my throat and tongue had swollen up to the point I couldn't talk normally anymore and had difficulty breathing during a visit to me when I was being held against my will, he had assumed that I was always like that and couldn't understand why I was distressed.

I'm sure I can survive a low security ward voluntarily to ensure the government respects my condition and gives me the payments that I am entitled to as a citizen, I'm the only one in my entire family who has ever received or asked for government assistance, we were always too proud to ask for help and so was I until I got ill and realized I couldn't contribute to bills or even look after myself without a steady income.

My family is the sort that made us get jobs as soon as we were 14 and 9 months and taught us the importance of being independent as possible, it's been quite a blow to my self-esteem to have to ask for any help at all and I hurt myself trying to force myself back to work in jobs that I knew would probably affect my management of my condition, it caused the hospitalizations as I had yet to figure out how to avoid triggering my illness which mostly consists of retreating to a space I control when I feel unwell and enduring milder symptoms with the minimum medication possible while engaging in self-care and regular appointments with doctors until I can be me again.

It can take a day, it can take three weeks but I'm more productive in my room than I am trying to endure those symptoms in high stress environments. Just having the option to walk when I want to reduces some of my symptoms because I can avoid stressors, I was able to successfully volunteer as at an institute of neuroscience and mental health setting up experiments for my mate and weighing animal feed/animals to see if food uses the same pathways in the brain as drugs like heroi_ when animals are exposed to a high calorie diet for a long time and then removed from it suddenly to see how they react each time I came in about two years ago for about six months because I had the option to leave when I needed to and the folks there were nice and they had an awesome food court I would sometimes I get shouted eats in for helping out.

Fortunately the same insurance that pays for private stays at hospitals that I've been forced to buy because of loading fees being added every year over 31 will also allow me to get massages, chiro, dental and a buncha other cough done which is good for my physical health and anything that improves that helps me manage my illness better.

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@sbor90 "What is a premium pass? Do you mean a Qantas Club membership, or Priority Pass?

You need 7000 SC to reach Lifetime Silver, and 14000 SC to reach Lifetime Gold. That equates to somewhere around the $20k and $40k mark at the absolute minimum - flying on MH fares within Asia for example.

Reaching either of these milestones within 10 years, while being restricted to just 28 days per year overseas, is going to be borderline impossible.

(Does anyone else get the feeling this thread is one big troll?)"

7000-1400 SC, I can obtain over 10-15 years by flying domestically once/twice per month and internationally once to twice per year. I can obtain the priority pass, get discounted Qclub membership and grind for SC and points for years. It's the plan.

What sort of proof do I need to provide to prove this ISN'T a troll? What exactly is unbelievable about anything I'm saying considering we are on a forum where people discuss rotating gift cards through credit cards to pay rates bills to score miles?
 
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I can get travel insurance and TBH, the consequences of dying on a plane are not as bad as the consequences of a life lived stuck in a bedroom, seeing the world through VR only.

Status running doesn't involve seeing the world. It involves seeing the inside of planes, airports, hotels, and planes again.

Given how brutally honest you're being, I might as well do the same: give up on achieving elite status.

Focus on visiting new countries and getting there in the cheapest way possible. If you want to earn some points on the way go for it, but make sure you maximise those 28 days each year on the ground in new places, trying new food, experiencing new cultures. Visit a lounge once (maybe someone here can guest you one day) so you can check it off the list and realise they are not worth the money and time you'd need to put in.
 
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7000-1400 SC, I can obtain over 10-15 years by flying domestically once/twice per month and internationally once to twice per year.

7000-14000 - you're missing a zero.

You can't achieve those numbers on the travel frequency you've stated unless you're flying business, and you're not flying business on $13.2kpa.
 
Ok if you are going to rort the mental health care system that’s in grave need of funding then I’m out.
 
Ok if you are going to rort the mental health care system that’s in grave need of funding then I’m out.

Explain how I'm rorting the system? I've spent more time in hospitals and doctor's offices in the last 7 years than most people spend in their lives, what you think people with illnesses or disabilities should be stuck in a single room, surviving on baked beans and ramen between medical appointments or something? I took not a single dime and neither had anyone else in my entire freakin' family until I was unable to work, I've been homeless, I've lived out of cars and now because I'm starting to figure out how to live a less degrading lifestyle in my position, it's a rort to want to do things that other Australians do?

I worked full-time from age 17, part-time from 14 and 9 months and so did my siblings, I worked until I couldn't anymore and forced myself to try repeatedly being hospitalized doing jobs that weren't suited to managing my condition. It took me years of struggle to get to this point, I don't want my only good memories to be memories from before I got sick.

I buy the cheapest clothes, I don't eat out, I don't smoke anymore because it's completely unaffordable and I drink less than 3 or 4 times per year and only with friends or family.

All of my hobbies are digital so I put out minimum expenditure for maximum value and can continue to participate in them even when I'm unable to leave my bedroom which the longest I've gone without leaving was... 6 months and I required help to do even the most basic things, lucky I had a PCA for a family member or I would be coughed during periods like those.

The only treatment I've outright refused to try is ECT, you tell me what else I can do to fix my health other than eat right, not smoke, not drink, go to doctors appointments, meditate, do yoga, force myself to exercise, use electronic timers linked to a speaker to remind to drink, sleep(get in bed and wait to sleep, doesn't always work), take my medication and my vitamins to ensure I don't get nutrient deprived and end up having an episode so severe than I'm involuntarily hospitalized.

My mental health physicians are the ones who recommended I study and travel, they think it will lead to more personal development and they are helping organize the centerlink side of things for me. I think the words my psychologist used were "You need a vacation from the full-time job of managing your illness."

Proof of where I volunteered successfully, still have my access card. I contributed to medical science and mental health directly with work that meant something, what did you do the last time you were unemployed?

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A number of AFFers have experience of the mental health care system and your idea if ‘waltzing’ in to a psych hospital when not actually in need of care, but in order to get welfare payments back does not sit well. Frankly if that’s the way you approach things, it is plain out and out rorting IMO.
 
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A number of AFFers have experience of the mental health care system and your idea if ‘waltzing’ in to a psych hospital when not actually in need of care, but in order to get welfare payments back does not sit well. Frankly if that’s the way you approach things, it is plain out and out rorting IMO.

It's exactly because of my experience with the mental health system that I know that simply speaking honestly and openly about how my condition makes me feel is enough to be admitted to a mental hospital because of my diagnosis and past history.

I have to carefully curate everything I say when I talk about my feelings with my doctors to avoid being hospitalized on suspicion of being intent on killing myself because of how depressed I am during the non-acute phases of my illness.

The government taking away what little money I do have for leaving the country after 7 years non-stop suffering watching my youth vanish down the toilet, my hair start to grey and wrinkles start to appear on face through the public health system after trying to do the right thing in my mid-teens to mid-20s working as often as I could to contribute to household bills, pay my own way and support my partner when everyone else was studying or enjoying themselves or travelling the world like my friends until I got hit with a disease that ruined an engagement and stole my opportunity to die of old age in a bed surrounded by children and grandchildren with a wife I met when I first met when I was 5 and dated for 6 years after we ran into each other again as adults, cost me a great paying job with lots of fringe benefits and coworkers who would shout me beer and nachos every coughing friday would likely make me feel worse and simply explaining my situation and how it makes me feel openly and honestly would guarantee I was admitted within 15 minutes of stepping in the door because talking about my fears about what my life would become when I was first diagnosed was what caused me to be admitted in the first place, the first time.

Just explaining what I feared losing when I had those things was enough to be hospitalized and I've lost it all now, what do you think happens to me when I talk about how that cough makes me feel without holding back to a doctor? I won't even be allowed to leave the room if I explain how that makes me feel. How about the fact that whenever I do better than cough people like you try and tear me down? I just have to talk openly and honestly about what this life does to me and bang, I can't leave the room anymore.

What you said has been extremely dishearting.

The last time I was admitted, I was living out of my car living on ramen cooked by the roadside with chicken I bought from coles on sale mixed with soy sauce and mirin cooked and eaten out one pot with a portable camp stove because I refused to take the charity of friends and family members and refused to accept anything other than the normal benefits thinking I could work myself into a better position. I fail to see how what I'm doing is rorting, my medical file is twelve inches thick and I don't particularly feel like turning over more personal details to prove to strangers on the internet that I'm a real person.

@love_the_life A number of AFFers have experience of the mental health care system and your idea if ‘waltzing’ in to a psych hospital when not actually in need of care, but in order to get welfare payments back does not sit well. Frankly if that’s the way you approach things, it is plain out and out rorting IMO.

Maybe you should explain where I should go when I can't contribute to my own care including food, rent, utilities,medicine or any of the things I do to manage my illness with the express approval of medical professionals that I employ, privately with the money I was allocated in my mental health plan because I have no money due to being unemployed and unable to work and are cut off from the benefits I need to pay for those things? I've budgeted and paid over 100 dollars per month for health insurance to make sure that I'm the one paying for my stay and that I receive the best care possible while transitioning as many of the health services I use/need out of the publically funded health system, I fail to see how using a service I've paid for is rorting when using that service for mental health care + dietary assistance when I have no alternative is the only way I can stay healthy in my current situation.

My doctors say I have the early signs of liver failure because of the medication I've been on for years due to being lax with regular blood tests to ensure I didn't damage my liver and that I have to manage my consumption of food, alcohol and medication very carefully in the future to avoid further damage and needing a liver transplant so that's another reason why I'm paying for private care so that I don't have to go begging and scratching at the feet of DCIS when I eventually do have worse physical problems even if I manage to gain further ground on the mental health front.
 
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Explain how I'm rorting the system?

You are rorting the system because you are talking about occupying a bed in a mental facility when your use of that bed is purely to gain government money, and not genuinely seeking help.

automatically approved and backdated if you book yourself into a mental ward after being cut off which I can do by simply waltzing in

sugarcoating it like I normally do with doctors to get them to back off

I was able to smuggle cigarettes, lighters, matches and alcohol into their high security ward with the help of friends and turned the joint into a party zone every night

I'm sure I can survive a low security ward voluntarily to ensure the government respects my condition and gives me the payments

This is where you are straying well over the line from making the most out of a complex system into what is best described as a rort. Like your Telstra false complaints/free phone hustle, knowing the right words to say knowing the required response of the other party, but this time with the real potential to result in significant harm to others. I would strongly encourage you not to use this as a backup plan for anything. Rather work harder to stay within the bounds of the rules.

Whilst most here are delighted to make the most out of frequent flyer schemes and fly close to the line in regards to loopholes and 'working the system', what is legal and what is right can be two different things.
 
Maybe you should explain where I should go when I can't contribute to my own care including food, rent, utilities,medicine or any of the things I do to manage my illness with the express approval of medical professionals that I employ, privately with the money I was allocated in my mental health plan because I have no money due to being unemployed and unable to work and are cut off from the benefits I need to pay for those things?

What you should do is make every effort to avoid any risk of getting cut off in the first place.
 
you tell me what else I can do to fix my health other than eat right, not smoke, not drink, go to doctors appointments, meditate, do yoga, force myself to exercise, use electronic timers linked to a speaker to remind to drink, sleep(get in bed and wait to sleep, doesn't always work), take my medication and my vitamins to ensure I don't get nutrient deprived

Not fly excessively.
 
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