Does Qantas Even Care About International Upgrades Anymore?

The 'reason' was 'those empty seats are allocated to LAN Chile, we can't allocate any more seats to QF pax'.
Most likely a block space codeshare. LAN would've purchased a block of seats from Qantas to sell on their own, so they're completely taken out of Qantas' inventory.

Therefore, if you checked ExpertFlyer at the time I would suspect it would've shown J0 for the QF flight number, but lots of J seats for the LAN flight number.
 
IMO this thread title is inappropriate and not even addressing the issue - which is some kind of IT snafu - and that should be the focus, not implying due to the stuff up that QF doesn't "care" about upgrades (and likely explanations for the J1 have already been provided). As a Gold one should also have reasonable expectations - and if I were Gold and saw J1 I would not assume I would be #1 on the list for it. Even as P1 I would not be shocked if I did not get it.

Anyway the real issue is the IT glitch that caused QF's system to think you didn't have enough points. Why? Who knows. Who could address it? Interesting question - it seems to be half in the court of QFF and half in the court of the operational side in terms of the system that processes upgrades and that nebulous grey area in between. One could TRY and contact the generic frequent flyer address, but I suspect it would be fobbed off more or less. It could be a systemic issue, - but I'd think if it was we'd see more reports of such a thing - and I haven't heard of anything like this happening before.

It's not acceptable of course - you had the required points for the upgrade and the system claimed you did not. That is not col. Not the same at all but on the Gold Coast yesterday I caught a tram then bus to the airport... my card went into negative and I found out because for some reason the system thought I touched on somewhere and did not touch off and I got charged $5 for it, though I most definitely did the right thing at tram stops and buss. Anyway point being.. IT cough happens (at least I have been able to submit a claim for the 5 bucks).

Anyway because of a snafu doesn't imply QF doesn't "care" ... seems an unfair title for the situation imo.
 
IMO this thread title is inappropriate and not even addressing the issue - which is some kind of IT snafu - and that should be the focus, not implying due to the stuff up that QF doesn't "care" about upgrades (and likely explanations for the J1 have already been provided).
Respectfully disagree with you on the title. It would be one thing if it was simply an IT glitch, as others have pointed out. I get it, that stuff happens from time to time. What really grinds my gears is frankly no one could be bothered after that point. Not the lady on the phone who spent 30 minutes to effectively cancel the upgrade request and put a new upgrade request in, not the lady at the check-in counter who said it's a roll of a dice, and certainly not the gate agent who kept me waiting like a feral dog until the bitter end to find out if the upgrade went through. And then the cherry on top, seeing that empty J seat in front of me for the remainder of the flight. Surely those at the airport would've known if the flight was in reality J0 and could've said, sorry there is no availability left, even if you might see an empty seat in front of you.

In the end I'm somewhat annoyed here. I mean look CHC > SYD ain't a long flight, the J cabin didn't even have a curtain, and obviously I'd prefer a window seat over an aisle. But as someone who has now dipped their toes into flying QF internationally for the first time, let's just say it didn't make for a good first impression. When I qualified for United Premier Gold for the first time back in 2017, UA forced through the first complimentary upgrade into J without me asking or anything. How do I know that? Because when the flight went IRROP I could see the customer service agent's screen and in the notes it said Upgrade - Surprise and delight. Now look, don't get me wrong, the domestic upgrade process on Qantas is fantastic, I can guarantee an upgrade on booking my cash fare just by checking for flights with U inventory. But international, where it's up in the air, then you really need to compare upgrade processes to other airlines since at least internationally I have options. I could have chosen to fly NZ to CHC and certainly if I was flying long haul to North America I've got a dozen choices from the obvious choices like AC, UA, DL, AA, etc. to ones with interesting routings like FJ or LA. Would they have handled this upgrade process better? I'm inclined to believe so based on prior experiences (at least with UA).

As a Gold one should also have reasonable expectations - and if I were Gold and saw J1 I would not assume I would be #1 on the list for it. Even as P1 I would not be shocked if I did not get it.
Completely understand. That's not what ticked me off, it was seeing J6 just before OLCI and realizing I stood a very good chance of getting upgraded given QF likely already processed World Platinum and Platinum One upgrade requests prior to then and then to receive that stupid error implying that if IT snafu didn't happen I would've gotten a seat is what annoyed me. All I'm saying is, you shouldn't have those gremlins laying around in your system for such a commonly used benefit of frequent flyers. How many international upgrade requests does QF receive on a day-to-day basis? I reckon it's got to be several thousands. And it's one of the keys to retaining loyalty as a QF member. I mean you can't use AA points to upgrade a QF fare into J nor DL miles. It just seems to me that they are throwing all of this loyalty and goodwill away whenever these incidents happen.
Anyway the real issue is the IT glitch that caused QF's system to think you didn't have enough points. Why? Who knows. Who could address it? Interesting question - it seems to be half in the court of QFF and half in the court of the operational side in terms of the system that processes upgrades and that nebulous grey area in between. One could TRY and contact the generic frequent flyer address, but I suspect it would be fobbed off more or less. It could be a systemic issue, - but I'd think if it was we'd see more reports of such a thing - and I haven't heard of anything like this happening before.
It would seem to me that a contact in QF IT should be able to examine this further, but obviously I as a pleb have no contacts at that department for them to investigate further. Is this a rare or a common thing? Who knows, but frankly if I were to book another long haul international I'll be thinking long and hard about whether I book with QF versus UA or DL where it seems less likely that I'd encounter these issues.
Anyway because of a snafu doesn't imply QF doesn't "care" ... seems an unfair title for the situation imo.
If they cared they would've fixed this glitch ages ago. International upgrades on QF didn't happen overnight. They've been a benefit available to members for many, many moons now.
 
I think the title is a meant to be a reference by @kangarooflyer88 to the priority boarding thread, and is not necessarily a serious title.
yes, I got the reference. I still think it's inappropriate for the story.

Perhaps it should be "Does QANTAS Even Care About IT Glitches?" and we all know the answer is "no"

:D
 
The fact that QF doesn't really care was highlighted recently by judicial comment from the Deputy President of VCAT:

"This rather dismissive conduct is all the more extraordinary as the respondent would have known, from correspondence sent to it by the applicants, that they were largely motivated to bring this proceeding by their feelings of having been ignored and fobbed off by the respondent, despite its corporate messaging of caring for customers" (bolding added):

Wloszczowski v Qantas Airways Limited (Civil Claims) [2021] VCAT 883 at para 6.​

Yes QF won the case, but this kind of judicial comment about them not really caring IMO is not a good look for QF.
 
If they cared they would've fixed this glitch ages ago. International upgrades on QF didn't happen overnight. They've been a benefit available to members for many, many moons now.

Yes.. but you're implying ... whatever happen in your case is a systemic prolem happening to a lot of people. Maybe it is but I reckon it would show up more here if it was since many AFF members upgrade (or try to) on international all the time. That we're not (or maybe this is a new "feature" of course and others may experience it) then it could be a real issue.

I absolutely agree that in an ideal world it would be tracked down and figured out. As an IT guy myself, and I knew about the problem I'd try to figure it out if it were within my power. As you say, this is not a new process for QF and this seems like a very weird issue that has affected you. Again, I agree, that getting that message through to anyone useful is the issue (and I feel the same way as supposedly top of the tree status).

And yes, the customer service side of the issue i a fail.. but it kind of is a "computer says no" situation for many of these staff who, at an outstation trying to get flights away probably don't have the time or training to deal with this kind of thing, or the authority probably (or at least empowerment) to try and do something meaningful - or even the ability to contact appropriate support - certainly not with hope of a fix within a relatively short period of time. There may be an attitude as well (literally per the skit) and that is truly frustrating. Without trying to defend anyone I'd say if you're a CS agent trying to get a flight checked in then boarded and out, a customer's upgrade request is probably low on the priority list. Not to you obviously, but to them with 160 odd pax to deal with probably yes.

So you have choices as you say to take business elsewhere. You could attempt dialogue with whoever is the new Stephanie Tully at QF regarding the "care factor" but again probably be fobbed off more or less. I don't know what else to say.

Let's hope you're not the first to experience a new "feature" that QF have rolled out that has not been tested properly (not the first time this has happened as we all know unfortunately)
 
As has been well documented, the QF IT system is a mysterious ancient machine full of blinking lights, wires, bells, whistles, cogs and springs....and a few ghosts!! So it can be cruel and unkind, randomly and often without reason. But thankfully despite (because of) its many failings, it also has its virtues... 😉
 
As has been well documented, the QF IT system is a mysterious ancient machine full of blinking lights, wires, bells, whistles, cogs and springs....and a few ghosts!! So it can be cruel and unkind, randomly and often without reason. But thankfully despite (because of) its many failings, it also has its virtues... 😉
you forgot copious amounts of duct tape.... !! :D

However you're right.. some of those magical virtues are appreciated from time to time... :D
 
Sorry for laughing but that just reminds me so much of the Little Britain sketch 'computer says no' 😂😂
The computer would have said ‘no’ because there were no seats for QF.

QF would have had to have purchased the seat back from LAN to allocate to those on the upgrade list. They might have done this for a full fare revenue passenger wanting to buy business class, but unlikely for an upgrade.
 
The computer would have said ‘no’ because there were no seats for QF.

QF would have had to have purchased the seat back from LAN to allocate to those on the upgrade list. They might have done this for a full fare revenue passenger wanting to buy business class, but unlikely for an upgrade.
Also that's a big IF LAN are willing to hand those seats over.
Blockspace codeshares are quite rare these days, but this is a case of it.
 
There is a massive thread here on AFF detailing members’ experiences with upgrades.
Hi there PF : )
Am new on this site
Can you point me in the right direction please? to find that massive thread?
It used to be possible to upgrade from paid fare to Business with Points in years gone by - on Syd London Q flights... but now it seems nigh on impossible?
 
Hi there PF : )
Am new on this site
Can you point me in the right direction please? to find that massive thread?
It used to be possible to upgrade from paid fare to Business with Points in years gone by - on Syd London Q flights... but now it seems nigh on impossible?
Here:

Maybe start at the end. Still a lot of recent success across different status levels.
 
Here:

Maybe start at the end. Still a lot of recent success across different status levels.
Thank you very much!

Will check out further... what I have seen does make me a little happier...

I fear the worst though for upcoming QF9 flight Perth-LHR in a few weeks...

Seems that the Perth LHR QF9 and LHR Perth QF10 flights are very popular and very full aircraft seems to provide less likelihood of finding opportunity to upgrade...

I wonder is there a less popular Syd or Melb QF to LHR that might have better opportunity to points upgrade from purchased flight?
 
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G'day there KF88 : )

Can you advise re how you can check for flights with U Inventory?
(Domestic only by the sounds of it?)
Hey @Bertholdt, welcome to AFF!

Most of us use a tool such as expertflyer.com to check fare bucket availability and inventory. The site offers a 5 day trial if you want to give it a go. Alternatively, if you have specific flight numbers and dates you want to check on an ad-hoc basis, you could ask in the helpdesk thread here - Flight Availability/Loadings & Upgrade Probability Help Desk - and one of the many helpful AFF members can look it up for you.

U inventory (which for QF is Classic Flight Reward Business) is applicable for domestic and international. If there is U inventory on your domestic flight and you submit a request for an upgrade to business, it will be confirmed immediately. However for international, even if there is U inventory (meaning you could book a reward seat in Business if making a new booking), the upgrade will only be considered in the days leading up to departure depending on your status (Platinum One: Within 7 days from departure, Platinum: Within 3 days from departure, Gold/Silver/Bronze: Within 24 hours from departure).

Edit: There's also a good AFF article explaining fare classes here: Why Your Fare Class Matters When Booking Airline Tickets
 
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welcome to AFF!
Thanks v much D - really cool well explained reply that is much appreciated!

I will check things out further and all I can say is probs woulda been good to have bumped into this site a little earlier : )

But better now than not at all ; )
 

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