Domestic Capacity Increase

[markis10]

Using more 767s domestically:

"The changes will see the addition of a total 19 return services across selected routes, while capacity will be restored on others by upgrading from Boeing 737 to larger Boeing 767 aircraft."
New return services will be introduced on the Adelaide-Melbourne, Brisbane-Sydney, Brisbane-Townsville, Melbourne-Perth and Sydney-Ayers Rock routes.
The Brisbane-Cairns and Brisbane-Melbourne services will be upgraded to provide 912 additional seats per week.

Qantas boosts domestic routes as demand rises

http://www.qantas.com.au/regions/dyn/au/publicaffairs/details?ArticleID=2009/dec09/3999

 

[justinbrett]

Using more 767s domestically:

"The changes will see the addition of a total 19 return services across selected routes, while capacity will be restored on others by upgrading from Boeing 737 to larger Boeing 767 aircraft."
New return services will be introduced on the Adelaide-Melbourne, Brisbane-Sydney, Brisbane-Townsville, Melbourne-Perth and Sydney-Ayers Rock routes.
The Brisbane-Cairns and Brisbane-Melbourne services will be upgraded to provide 912 additional seats per week.

Qantas boosts domestic routes as demand rises

About Qantas - Media Room - Media Releases - Qantas to Restore Domestic Capacity and Increase Adelaide-Brisbane Services

The 767 is good but I would have prefered more services on the MEL/BNE route. I know it's the third side of the golden triangle, but it has a long way to go to match the frequency of the other two sides.

Half hourly during afternoon peak (say 1700-1900) would be great.

 

[medhead]

The same story from The Australian

Qantas ready for take-off as capacity soars | The Australian

Analysts began upgrading full-year earnings estimates after the airline announced a first-half pre-tax profit guidance of $50 million to $150m and its strongest monthly passenger figures for the financial year.

and

Group passenger numbers for November rose 9.7 per cent as a stronger Qantas domestic operation took advantage of strong load factors to announce it would add 340,000 seats from the end of March. This includes 19 new return services across a number of routes, as well as growth in several others, and comes in addition to a 700,000-seat boost already announced by Jetstar.

1 million extra seats across qnatas group. Hopefully, prices will not increase or maybe fall a bit?

 

[samh004]

Surely prices should drop a little, especially on routes taking advantage of larger aircraft. I hope they do, some cheaper BNE - MEL seats would be perfect.

 

[anat0l]

Surely prices should drop a little, especially on routes taking advantage of larger aircraft. I hope they do, some cheaper BNE - MEL seats would be perfect.

Prices drop? Hardly! They'll remain the same, although I guess if a 767 is operating there are a few more seats to go around and hence there might be a few more seats in every sale bucket (including perhaps the lower buckets, too).

I wonder if this means the 734s will be progressively phased out of some of those routes, or completely (thank goodness! Covertible J is a joke, and yes I know it's not better in Europe...)

Hopefully this will mean no more 737-series aircraft operating PER routes (with the possible exception of ADL/PER). That was a joke.

I find it a bit hard to digest BNE/TSV, BNE/CNS (possibly) and SYD/AYQ (especially!) getting 767 services. BNE/MEL would be really nice to see the 767s fly those again (provided that they are "up to it").

Some of these moves probably are a result of shuffling around the fleet (e.g. new Airbus aircraft taking over PER routes). If the 787 is seriously getting off the ground, then this move will probably be good timing.

I personally like flying on the 767s compared to the 738s; sure, it's hard to beat 4C or 4D on a 738, but row 23 on a 767 with an open-bottom-panel bulkhead is heaps better! And I really like those ones with the 2-row cabin at the front of WHY.

 

[markis10]

And I really like those ones with the 2-row cabin at the front of WHY.

You might change your mind if you saw the number of cycles those BA birds have, and I hate the lack of an air vent!

 

[docjames]

I find it a bit hard to digest BNE/TSV, BNE/CNS (possibly) and SYD/AYQ (especially!) getting 767 services. BNE/MEL would be really nice to see the 767s fly those again (provided that they are "up to it").
.

Think chinese / japanese tour groups......

Agree 10000% re: BNE/MEL route

 

[anat0l]

Think chinese / japanese tour groups......

I was under the impression that there wasn't much market for these? And in any case - the Japanese market has been "Jetstar-ised"

Oh well...

 

[opusman]

767s on BNE/MEL would be great, getting ODUs on the 737s is almost impossible!

 

[serfty]

... And I really like those ones with the 2-row cabin at the front of WHY.

You might change your mind if you saw the number of cycles those BA birds have, and I hate the lack of an air vent!

Ugh!

I hate ... sorry ... would really rather not travel is the ZX's!

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[AnonymousCoward]

Surely prices should drop a little, especially on routes taking advantage of larger aircraft. I hope they do, some cheaper BNE - MEL seats would be perfect.

Doubtful prices will drop. SMH is reporting QANTAS as saying that domestic prices were already down 9% (or something) last year. QANTAS would be looking to lift prices (or at least prevent margin erosion) over the coming year.

 

[anat0l]

Ugh!

I hate ... sorry ... would really rather not travel is the ZX's!

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Hmmm... you both make a good point. I can't quite understand why BA wouldn't put directional air vents. Sure, it is much colder in Europe, and I guess it simplifies a whole lot of maintenance and procedures, but....

I've been lucky because every time I've flown in a ZX series the cabin hasn't been fully loaded; I've had a spare seat beside me. That helps a lot in the absence of "active ventilation".

markis10, you had a good point about the age - I think the ZX series are usually the ones causing the hullaballoo if the report is about a 767!

Last time I flew a 767 in Y it was not a ZX series. I had seat 23A and was caught a bit off-guard because yes I was at the bulkhead, but I didn't remember that the bulkhead was solid from top to bottom. Needless to say it was a little cramped compared to what I'm used to and probably would have been hell for a taller person. Begs me to think what would have been a better seat to select (I'm guessing probably one of the aisle seats, especially in the middle section).

 

[serfty]

Hmmm... ...
Last time I flew a 767 in Y it was not a ZX series. I had seat 23A and was caught a bit off-guard because yes I was at the bulkhead, but I didn't remember that the bulkhead was solid from top to bottom. Needless to say it was a little cramped compared to what I'm used to and probably would have been hell for a taller person. Begs me to think what would have been a better seat to select (I'm guessing probably one of the aisle seats, especially in the middle section).

Hmmm ... bulkhead to floor at 23A?

Methinx either 23K or 25A

 

[jaffa]

I would not under-estimate TSV to quickly!

I fly in and out at least 4 times a month 80% of the time in J
and most times the metal is always full in my experience.
I am sure there's a few ODU using points in the pointy end, but my experience is QF does pretty good on the revenue stakes out of the city.

The flights that were announced today are simply replacing the flights they cut back in Dec last year. Although whereby most of the flights used to be 800's now they are nearly all 400's, which l don't fancy as much.


I think it was April when DJ added direct daily's to Canberra and OOL on top of their already existing BNE flights. The Canberra flights really suprised me, but they are doing pretty well by all accounts.
J* flights were increased last Dec when QF done their cuts
and increased again in June.

So by and large TSV has well and truly had more capacity added now than it lost.
Even REX is now flying in and out which only started 3
months ago.
Then of course there's the mining charters in the old Alliance aircraft which go twice daily as well.

Your right though, TSV is not a tourist market. We do have Big defence movements and the city is also the state and federal HQ for Gov services out side of BNE (Health, Taxation, Defence, Transport, GBRMPA ect) which to this day continues to grow and multiply like rabbits. Don't forget 3RAR is relocating to TSV from Syd in Jan 2011 and that's another 2000 troops alone without their dependants and suport teams.


We do have a popular QP. And moves are well underway to try and reopen the international terminal.
I know, the chances are not great, but l have not seen such a concerted effort like this for nearly 15 years.

If the US do go ahead with their proposed new base near Tully then it will be hard not to go through with it considering the already exsisting Defence infastucture in place and BAE hiting the city in a big way this year.

What pisses me off the most is the lack of direct SYD/MEL flights.
You would think QF would be able to fill one daily return to both in a 2 class config but alas it still hasn't happened.

TSV is still in a steep growth curve at the moment, so i'm not suprised in the least.

Oh! Tiger was back in the city again in Nov for more meetings. This was the 3rd set in last 6 month's and publicly they haven't be shy about talking to the media about it either, but nothing concrete yet.

 

[medhead]

So Jaffa, your in townsville and I went to school in cairns. Why have you adopted one of my school nicknames?

 

[zzhou]

I remember back in 2006 I flew SYD-TSV direct... and then Jetstar took over the route.

Not sure how many flights each day.

 

[PaulC83]

I find it a bit hard to digest BNE/TSV, BNE/CNS (possibly) and SYD/AYQ (especially!) getting 767 services. BNE/MEL would be really nice to see the 767s fly those again (provided that they are "up to it").

You won't see 767 flights to AYQ, the 30m runway ain't wide enough. I'd say they'll just add in additional services on one or two of the peak travel days.

 

[oz_mark]

Hopefully this will mean no more 737-series aircraft operating PER routes (with the possible exception of ADL/PER). That was a joke.

Isn't PER in line to get some of the new 73H services with personal entertainment screens etc. I know QF once said PER-SYD/MEL would be all widebody, but there does persist the odd 737. PER-CBR/ADL/BNE all have 737 services as well.

 

[markis10]

You won't see 767 flights to AYQ, the 30m runway ain't wide enough. I'd say they'll just add in additional services on one or two of the peak travel days.

Its an additional Saturday flight operated by a 737, ironically the return is QF727

 

[markis10]

Interesting note about the expansion in this months F/F statement:

We have added 19 return services across selected domestic routes, as well as a number of brand new Boeing 767 aircraft, which are replacing the smaller Boeing 737 aircraft. During 2010, Qantas will add more than 340,000 domestic seats.