Double Status Credits 2013

[isdnman]

Does re-issue ticket qualify for double status credit promo ?
This was for an international flight outbound has already been used and have inbound ticket left.

 

[JohnK]

The DSC promo is a massive win for QF. If they water it down, it will be a massive fail IMO.

This I do not understand.

Why is it a massive win for QF? So people can use a small amount of QFF points earned from sign up bonuses to credit cards they have no intention on keeping by booking "creative" Any Seat awards to maximise SCs and QFF points.

I really cannot see how this is going to help QF. Are you going to purchase more full economy airfares with the new status? I don't think so.

I guess we are all allowed to look at things differently and while people are earning 400 SCs for 48,000 points and $65 with DSC promotions and cheap Any Seat awards I should be happy my $135 red e-deal SYD-BNE earns me a whopping 10 SC's. Sounds fair to me.

 

[amaroo]

This I do not understand.

Why is it a massive win for QF? So people can use a small amount of QFF points earned from sign up bonuses to credit cards they have no intention on keeping by booking "creative" Any Seat awards to maximise SCs and QFF points.

I really cannot see how this is going to help QF. Are you going to purchase more full economy airfares with the new status? I don't think so.

I guess we are all allowed to look at things differently and while people are earning 400 SCs for 48,000 points and $65 with DSC promotions and cheap Any Seat awards I should be happy my $135 red e-deal SYD-BNE earns me a whopping 10 SC's. Sounds fair to me.

ASA are only one option.......one can use to take advantage of DSC offers!

 

[hopefulQFF]

Just had my DSCs credited to my account, SG for the first time and for 23 months. Win for me - looking forward to extra points earning and club access on work booked Y trips!

 

[Hvr]

Just had my DSCs credited to my account, SG for the first time and for 23 months. Win for me - looking forward to extra points earning and club access on work booked Y trips!

Congrats, enjoy the QC and being able to pre-select seats a couple of rows forward. You've still got time to get to WP,

 

[StatusRunner]

This I do not understand.

Why is it a massive win for QF? So people can use a small amount of QFF points earned from sign up bonuses to credit cards they have no intention on keeping by booking "creative" Any Seat awards to maximise SCs and QFF points.

I really cannot see how this is going to help QF. Are you going to purchase more full economy airfares with the new status? I don't think so.

I guess we are all allowed to look at things differently and while people are earning 400 SCs for 48,000 points and $65 with DSC promotions and cheap Any Seat awards I should be happy my $135 red e-deal SYD-BNE earns me a whopping 10 SC's. Sounds fair to me.

Well apart from the 2 JASA's that I took removing QFF points from QF liabilities on their balance sheet, I took 2 Y flights for work that I didn't really have to and now that I am WP I am loyal to QF for at least 2.5 years. Unless if course they do away with 'marginal' ASA's

 

[sumthinfornuthin]

Well apart from the 2 JASA's that I took removing QFF points from QF liabilities on their balance sheet, I took 2 Y flights for work that I didn't really have to and now that I am WP I am loyal to QF for at least 2.5 years. Unless if course they do away with 'marginal' ASA's

And that is exactly why the current ASA changes are stupid. Being able to get ASA's this way and attain status basically locks people in (within reason) to Qantas, take the ability away and over 12-18 months there will be a drain of these loyal members who now will simply chase the cheapest flight

 

[JohnK]

Using that logic then any airfare increase is stupid and unjustified as people would spend more on flights if flights were not as expensive as they are today.

I must be really slow as I do not understand why people think Any Seat Awards should remain immune from increases. Because they are too good to be true?

The simple fact is that people on AFF were too arrogant for their own good and now that abuse is under review.

 

[sumthinfornuthin]

Using that logic then any airfare increase is stupid and unjustified as people would spend more on flights if flights were not as expensive as they are today.

I must be really slow as I do not understand why people think Any Seat Awards should remain immune from increases. Because they are too good to be true?

The simple fact is that people on AFF were too arrogant for their own good and now that abuse is under review.

I think that everyone is entitled to a fair increase but not an exhorbidant one. The points now generally required for ASA's are massive to the extreme.
Qantas has sold all of these points to Third Party Suppliers and are now seeking to devalue their sale value, they are a liability on their balance sheet and the ASA's obviously ensured full loads as people focus on retaining status and points etc remaining in the Qantas system.

yes Classics will be there but people in my opinion will start to hoard their Credit Card points outside of QFF and once again look at the real cost whereas in the past ( within reason) people focused on the status.

I don't think I have seen comments anywhere saying that ASA's should be immune from increases but Qantas instigated the system obviously to encourage loyalty and build the QFF BUSINESS to sell points, it obviously works and now they are appearing to make it very hard and almost a secret to see what the best price is.
IMHO they are hoping that people will simply accept what comes up on the website and book it and not go to the trouble ( in many cases possibly not even know) they can ring up and get a better deal.

Just watch VIRGINS's space, John Borgetti is not a dill and I reckon that VELOCITY will run the numbers to see if they can pinch some of qantas' strength that they had in this area, already happening as Velicity are offering reward flights this week at a 15 % discount.

Once people move from any business, no matter what, it is very hard to get them back.

Silly move in my book for qantas to be so extreme and their website now is no longer as user friendly as it used to be

 

[JohnK]

Once people move from any business, no matter what, it is very hard to get them back.

Swings and roundabouts. I think you will find people will always be moving back and forth between the airlines. We have seen it happening with status matches, DSC promotions, cheap business class promotions. People on AFF are not very loyal.

Silly move in my book for qantas to be so extreme and their website now is no longer as user friendly as it used to be

I totally agree the website changes are horrible but to be fair Virgin is not much better.

I think we keep ignoring one key fact in this whole argument and that is the greed and abuse that comes about when something is too good to be true.

Status should be difficult to achieve not as simple as nesting business Any Seats awards for ADL-BNE-TSV return with a TSV-BNE-DRW return with a DSC offer and voila instant status. And the people that have been heading off to KTA or HBA and turning around straight away and gloating about it. And that is just from the people posting about it. Think of all the lurkers.

Qantas has to be seen to be protecting it's interests. People on AFF think they are a significant proportion of the QFF program. They aren't. Qantas does not want it's lounges filled with people earning status cheaply.

 

[power71]

"I should be happy my $135 red e-deal SYD-BNE earns me a whopping 10 SC's. Sounds fair to me."

wow, $135... you got ripped off. $89 sale sometimes

 

[JohnK]

wow, $135... you got ripped off. $89 sale sometimes

Yes sometimes. Try booking during school holidays. Try booking during Oct-Nov now where you have little flexibility in times to fly and the Friday morning and Sunday morning flights are totally unsuitable.

 

[samh004]

I think we keep ignoring one key fact in this whole argument and that is the greed and abuse that comes about when something is too good to be true.

Status should be difficult to achieve not as simple as nesting business Any Seats awards for ADL-BNE-TSV return with a TSV-BNE-DRW return with a DSC offer and voila instant status. And the people that have been heading off to KTA or HBA and turning around straight away and gloating about it. And that is just from the people posting about it. Think of all the lurkers.

Qantas has to be seen to be protecting it's interests. People on AFF think they are a significant proportion of the QFF program. They aren't. Qantas does not want it's lounges filled with people earning status cheaply.

While ASA's were the target in this case, lets not forget there are other ways that people have been using to (relatively) cheaply gain status, such as I don't know, CX runs backwards and forwards in the same day, and all those heading to the US

 

[RooFlyer]

Using that logic then any airfare increase is stupid and unjustified as people would spend more on flights if flights were not as expensive as they are today.

I must be really slow as I do not understand why people think Any Seat Awards should remain immune from increases. Because they are too good to be true?

The simple fact is that people on AFF were too arrogant for their own good and now that abuse is under review.

Sounds like some-one like yourself JohnK doesn't belong here. Far too good to be mixing with the likes of us!

 

[JohnK]

While ASA's were the target in this case, lets not forget there are other ways that people have been using to (relatively) cheaply gain status, such as I don't know, CX runs backwards and forwards in the same day, and all those heading to the US

Agreed but Qantas cannot do much about those as they are other partner airlines and if you stop the "status runners" then you stop the people who genuinely use them.

They can though make changes where they can and NAN runs are a classic example of abuse. Hardly anyone ever talks about them now.

I can remember when I first joined QFF and then AFF a couple of years later I could travel BNE-PER-ADL-MEL-SYD for ~30,000 QFF points as long as I did not stay more than 24 hours in each city. So overnight was fine. That loophole is gone.

I could travel all over SE Asia and North Asia on CX for ~70,000 points again as long as I did not stay more than 24 hours in each city. That loophole is gone.

Now Qantas is targeting Any Seat Awards? The question has to be why and what could we have done not to attract that much attention?

Either way people will find new ways to earn status cheaply.

 

[StatusRunner]

The fact is, marginal ASA fares are more expensive than classic. Always have been. They have built fat into it to justify the SC's and points, just like CX has different fare classes. The cheapest don't attract points.

We need to find out the root of the change. Are they paying out to many loyalty bonus's, are the WP ranks swelling too much. Or is this a grand plan to flood the use of Classic fares, whilst cutting supply. Many people won't be able to use their points on fares and will either be forced to blow them in the ripoff QF store hence making a larger return for QF.

Either way QF planes will be less full as a result if they can't do cheap ASA's.

Less people will retain status and will only chase cheap fares, with other carriers.

QFF loyalty program will die a slow death.

VA will seize the day and come up with a plan of stealing the ex loyal QF PAX.

No donkey in their right mind will blow points on the current Online ASA fares. If QFF is banking on that, then they must think we are dumber than we look.

 

[Yoz]

Silly move in my book for qantas to be so extreme and their website now is no longer as user friendly as it used to be

I'm not sure which browser you are using but the new search functionality is (in my opinion) more intuitive, more visually appealing and less buggy than the old search functionality. If the only downside is the inability to find really cheap JASAs then I feel the change is probably positive from Qantas -- at least when considering the AFF Community is in the minority. I'm going to go out on a limb and say the vast majority of people holding AFF Points are not point-whoring status-chasers.

In fact I suspect 'the masses' are going to be happier with the reduced taxes on classic awards than they are going to be bummed about not getting status credits on xASAs.

 

[Limewood]

Like many I use points for international QFF YASA or JASA's, therefore any reduction in availability, additional cost etc. is reason for me like others to look elsewhere. Many I feel will jump ship at some point and if VA do another status match then QFF will need to pull their socks up.

 

[cove]

Tonight sees my partner complete her 3 month Double Status Credits offer.
We appreciated the offer which she was slow in accepting (but helped by Red Roo's team) so despite breast cancer treatment all the flights went really well over weekends.
I think she will be in the 1700 plus SC total for the 3 months so she has 9 months to go.
Thank you Qantas.

 

[cgoh]

I too had my double status credit promotion expires today. I received the promotion when I had earned 2,030 sc (all CX and zilch Qantas). They were enticing me to P1 but I had to achieve 1,350 sc (fat hope) so went for PG instead. Only needed 185 sc to get to PG so I bite the bullet and spent 16,000points +400 for 100 sc (probably an expensive way for 200sc for I rather pay cash than using my points). The balance came from a flexible fare from Adelaide to Sydney, and Sydney Melbourne. Still 50sc short but at least I now met the 4 flights requirement and 50sc is very very easy to achieve. In total I spent 16,000 + roughly 850 excluding accommodation to earn the extra 280 required but I think it's worth it as QC would have cost at least 600-700ish.