Dress standard in Business

[davidj]

there is some solid advice in this clip regarding the choice to wear shorts on a plane ...

Yes, pretty much!

Many comments re. clothing on this thread nicely sum up society's demise in the past decade.

I remember growing up we were told simple things like before going to the doctors always wear good smart clothes and shoes, always be presentable etc.

Now it's no longer what you should do, but what you 'feel' like doing. And it's becoming the norm, so much so people that try are seen as 'weird'.

It's a race to the bottom!

 

[MEL_Traveller]

...nicely sum up society's demise in the past decade.

That's a pretty tough call! We've made advances with child protection, anti-bullying, respect for women (sexism, wage equality, representation in C-suite), violence in general, recognition of indigenous issues, and other social causes. Granted, progress might be slow in all of those areas, but I'd see that as advancement, not demise. My feeling is that it's the inside that matters, not the outside?

 

[davidj]

That's a pretty tough call! We've made advances with child protection, anti-bullying, respect for women (sexism, wage equality, representation in C-suite), violence in general, recognition of indigenous issues, and other social causes. Granted, progress might be slow in all of those areas, but I'd see that as advancement, not demise. My feeling is that it's the inside that matters, not the outside?

Perhaps one step forward, three steps back? There might have been some progress, but in all areas quoted there are still serious issues. Many issues don't see the light of day or media so we still feel warm and fuzzy. Granted, there are positives out there.

Also, the world doesn't revolve around Australia/US/UK etc. There is plenty of trouble in the world.

Anyways, I'm referring to simple things that make us civilised... such as basic manners and etiquette. We've lost respect for one another. If I accidentally walk into someone down the street we continue walking and ignore each other. We don't give up a seat on the train for that old gentlemen. We litter and spit on streets, and we fail to call out this behaviour because now it's the norm (and we're scared of getting knifed in the process).

 

[rikkitikkitavi]

Hi all

Sorry for the incorrect heading above it should read Dress standard in J. Can a mod please fix?


I have just rebooked my return leg from Japan in J on Qantas. I have not flown J before. I know there are dress standards for the business lounge but is there a standard for when you are on the plane in J?

cheers Peter

There is no dress code for business travel, the days of glamorous Mad Men flying are dead.

 

[Deleted member]

For what it's worth, I wasn't disagreeing with you on wearing a baseball cap in a restaurant - particularly an establishment where there is a dress code, either stated or implied. It's disrespectful to the proprietors, chefs and staff, and I think is poor form.

What I don't understand, and the reason I asked the question, was how this translates to an aircraft. I often wear a beanie while flying long-haul to stay warm, is that considered bad manners?

Nope, probably not, but i think / hope you do get my point about baseball caps in general?
Maybe I’m just “picky” but i find the over use especially indoors a bit OTT.
I wear a hat in the sun, because i have concerns about (more) skin cancers, I don’t wear it sitting an air craft

 

[juddles]

If what someone else wears gets you upset, you should, like the Smarttravellers warnings advise, RECONSIDER YOUR NEED TO TRAVEL.

 

[JohnK]

There is no dress code for business travel, the days of glamorous Mad Men flying are dead.

Some still around. Not all have lost their manners.

 

[tgh]

If what someone else wears gets you upset, you should, like the Smarttravellers warnings advise, RECONSIDER YOUR NEED TO TRAVEL.

Really Juddles.. It's not about being upset….some of us have standards.. we are surely entitled to our opinions ?

 

[juddles]

If what someone else wears gets you upset, you should, like the Smarttravellers warnings advise, RECONSIDER YOUR NEED TO TRAVEL.

Really Juddles.. It's not about being upset….some of us have standards.. we are surely entitled to our opinions ?

Obviously everyone is entitled to their opinions!

As for "standards", that is such a personal thing. I hate "bogans" as much as the next, but if a bogan sits on one side of me, dressed in bogan gear, and is a quiet passenger, that annoys me far less than the guy on the other side in the suit carping on on his mobile despite the hostess pleas for phones off.

 

[Hvr]

As for "standards", that is such a personal thing. I hate "bogans" as much as the next, but if a bogan sits on one side of me, dressed in bogan gear, and is a quiet passenger, that annoys me far less than the guy on the other side in the suit carping on on his mobile despite the hostess pleas for phones off.

So bad behaviour is the real annoyance rather than what you consider poor fashion sense.

As you note a quiet well behaved person in their best moccasins and flannelette shirt is a better seat neighbour than an ill mannered fashionista. We all want to sit next to the well behaved person.

But, we also have to be the well behaved person that others are happy to sit next to if there are no vacant seats.

 

[juddles]

So bad behaviour is the real annoyance rather than what you consider poor fashion sense...

Yes, regarding the behaviour side, but no re dress - I do not judge on clothes - I certainly do not "consider poor fashion sense"

 

[burmans]

As for "standards", that is such a personal thing. I hate "bogans" as much as the next, but if a bogan sits on one side of me, dressed in bogan gear, and is a quiet passenger, that annoys me far less than the guy on the other side in the suit carping on on his mobile despite the hostess pleas for phones off.

While we all have opinions on dress, if someone actually isn't impacting on my my quiet enjoyment of my life, it's really none of my business. But some behaviours can and do impinge on myself and others so I agree there are greater grounds to be annoyed.

 

[tgh]

Yes, regarding the behaviour side, but no re dress - I do not judge on clothes - I certainly do not "consider poor fashion sense"

Indeed.. but I choose to present my battered apology of a body in a manner that reflects my personal feeling for appropriate style and presentation.
I may also choose ( In the absence of an opportunity to converse in depth) to form a preliminary opinion about an individual based on their presentation.

I also note functional sexism of the almost universally accepted (by males) sign of "class" in the well groomed and presented female ; and yet many males seek to differentiate by presenting a lowest common acceptable presentation denominator as sign of ?? manliness ??
"Class" is the newest dirty word in the new age male perhaps...

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Anyone can be ‘classy’. What someone wears is not really a distinguishing factor. How they behave is.

 

[flying_duck]

I take great joy in the horrified looks given whilst (sometimes) wearing leggings and a hoody in J. Promise I don't smell (lounges have showers), and I'll keep to myself, but likely I've just driven for 6 hours or slept in a car for the weekend or both. I'm not putting on a business suit to make you feel better.

When someone else is buying my ticket, maybe then I'll wear what someone else wants me to.

 

[JohnK]

Anyone can be ‘classy’. What someone wears is not really a distinguishing factor. How they behave is.

Disagree. Someone wearing jeans with the whole thigh ripped out, some jean around the knee and then the whole shin ripped out is not classy by any stretch of the imagination.

Also how you portray yourself to the world is what makes you classy. cough and cough cheeks hanging out everywhere is not classy. Yes it looks nice but definitely not classy.

As someone else said it is a race to the bottom and society is to blame.

 

[justinbrett]

In this day and age a suit can cost $80 but you can have a pair of jeans costing $400 and a t-shirt for over $100.

The days of suit=well dress are gone my friends. Acceptable dress depends on the industry in question. If it's good enough to work in, it's good enough to fly in.

 

[Hvr]

Also how you portray yourself to the world is what makes you classy. cough and **** cheeks hanging out everywhere is not classy. Yes it looks nice but definitely not classy.

As someone else said it is a race to the bottom and society is to blame.

In your example the bottom has already fallen out. Society isn't to blame. People are responsible for their own actions.

 

[JohnK]

In your example the bottom has already fallen out. Society isn't to blame. People are responsible for their own actions.

I'm not the expert but isn't society a collection of people that ultimately decide what is and what isn't acceptable?

And does someone seriously believe a $400 pair of ripped/torn jeans is classy? Does the label determine class or the money paid? Neither!

 

[lovetravellingoz]

So how many of the "Must wear suits brigade" refuse to wear the airline issued pjs once on board?