Dual Passports AUS/UK

[philreece1]

My wife and I both have Oz/UK passports. Both of my sons also have the same. The eldest has lived and worked in the UK for the last 5 years because he has UK citizenship.

Personally I would get both passports for my children as it allows them to work in the EU without having to obtain work permits and without having time limitations placed on their stays. Who knows when they will change the rules and make it more difficult for people to this.

We leave and enter Oz on our Aussie passports and use our UK passports throughout Europe.

 

[MelbMan]

My wife who was born in Cyprus when it was under English rule recently got an English passport, I'm very jealous. My maternal grandmother was born in Wales, I was hoping this would be enough for me to qualify for an English passport or to get a stamp or sticker showing "Patriachal rights". But not sure if the patriachal rights exists any more.

One day might like to go and live in France or England for extended periods when I retire. If an English passport is not possible is it possible to get an EU passport from any of those countries?

Thanks John

 

[KateMayo]

I found the EU queue longer than the one for foreigners i.e Aussies at LHR.

I once flew into MAN from AMS and was the only person in the "other" queue. Everyone else on the flight was in the "UK/EU" queue.

 

[avonlea]

My maternal grandmother was born in Wales, I was hoping this would be enough for me to qualify for an English passport or to get a stamp or sticker showing "Patriachal rights". But not sure if the patriachal rights exists any more.

I had both parents English, and had a "Certificate of Patriality" in my Australian passport until I applied for a UK one (which became EU on renewal). I've heard numerous "examples" of NZ and Aus Rugby players playing for the UK countries with links as tenuous as Grandmothers, so you may be lucky.


Re your other comment.. I'd seriously doubt you'd ever get an EU passport any other way, without actually becoming a permanent resident.

 

[prozac]

I don't know if this has been covered yet and it is not OP, but something worthy of consideration as entering an EU country on an EU passport will probably result in a lower duty free allowance than if you enter on your Australian PP. I know this is fact in Netherlands.

 

[FlyingProf]

My wife who was born in Cyprus when it was under English rule recently got an English passport, I'm very jealous. My maternal grandmother was born in Wales, I was hoping this would be enough for me to qualify for an English passport or to get a stamp or sticker showing "Patriachal rights". But not sure if the patriachal rights exists any more.

One day might like to go and live in France or England for extended periods when I retire. If an English passport is not possible is it possible to get an EU passport from any of those countries?

Thanks John

Just for the record, there's no such thing as an "English" passport. I presume you mean a "UK" or "British" passport. The UK consists of 4 countries - Scotland, England, Wales and Northern Ireland - and the Scots, Welsh and Irish get heartily sick of the assumption that British equals English. And, by the way, there's no such thing as an EU passport. Member states issue their own.

End of rant.

 

[Oneworldplus2]

My mum has 3

 

[MelbMan]

Thanks... maybe I should look into the possibility of Wales. But be it being the grandchild of a UK person or changes over the years in the rules it's not looking good.

If I was eligible for a UK passport like some of the children mentioned in this thread I'd be getting in and getting one to have bases covered. Mind you moving around europe is pretty easy and unecumbered these days.

2009 we caught the ferry from Dover to Calais. No passport control. I think French passport control at a Ryanair airport in Brittany were wondering how we got into France without our passports being stamped. It reminded me a bit of "Allo "Allo.

 

[themaiz]

I carry UK/AU passports and confirm all the opinions that it's useful to be able to pick and choose which to use. Plenty of countries make life easier if you have one or other.

Two tips:
1. You're already a UK citizen if your father was born there, even if you were born in Oz... or, at least, that's how it was 20 years ago. Having the passport merely confirms the citizenship. Good logic, and as soon as it was pointed out, I went and applied for a UK passport.

2. if you're in the UK and close to a passport office, it's much easier to renew a UK passport there than in Oz, especially if your UK passport is old/expired. In fact, if you're within cooee of Head Office in Newport Wales (and it's a good excuse for a day trip to see Roman ruins) then consider using the emergency renewal process. It costs, but it's over the counter, completed same day, and may well be cheaper than the normal process in Australia. Just ensure that you have made an official appointment and aren't late.

Slightly OT: Mrs TheMaiz has Oz/US and I have Oz/UK passports. Wherever we are, we head for whichever lines are shortest and apply to at least one of us. There's never been a problem even though our surnames are different.

 

[simonpenny408]

Be careful with US immigration (goes without saying really). I used my UK passport to enter when flying LGW-DEN and then my Aus passport when flying SYD-HNL a month later. To say that they had a sense of humour (humor) failure would be understating it somewhat. Dual citizenship confuses the poor seppos no end. I got read the riot act. Hopefully one day they will start honoring my APEC card and my troubles will be less

 

[Coverpoint]

Well, I see we are nearly done with this thread but no one has raised the possibility of a "Right of Abode" as an option. I have joint UK/Oz passports - so do both my children who were born in OZ. I can confirm these have been a major benefit for working in the UK. In fact my son liked working there so much, he started his own business and married an English rose.
However, we probably overplayed our hands one too many times in the customs queue for Mrs Coverpoint who became heartily sick of our smirks and smart cough comments.
The solution - not having access to a British passport, she applied for a Right of Abode on the basis of being married to a UK citizen. This gives her access to the same queue, gives her the right to live as long as she likes in the UK without fear of a knock on the door and it has stopped all our insensitive and politically incorrect comments.

 

[MelbMan]

Coverpoint... thanks.. must look into this Right of Abode. With the missus having a UK (not English passport maybe this is my ticket in? Any links for this. English passport websites are a nightmare :evil:

http://www.ukvisas.gov.uk/resources/en/docs/1903073/vaf7

I might qualify for one of these...

As someone who, at birth, was a citizen of the UK and Colonies and has or had a
grandparent born, registered, naturalised or adopted in the UK

 

[Robmn]

BTW in case UK citizens in Australia need to renew their UK passports,they should note that UK passports are no longer issued by the British Consulate in Canberra,all UK passport renewals and applications in Australia are now done through Australia Post offices,an appointment is required and the application is forwarded to the UK consulate in New Zealand who forward the new passport via courier about 4-6 weeks later.

Cheers
N'oz

Thanks, that's good information as I usually take mine to Canberra so they don't loose the documentation.

Pity about the 4-6 week bit! but that's like posting it to Canberra.
r

 

[Coverpoint]

Coverpoint... thanks.. must look into this Right of Abode. With the missus having a UK (not English passport maybe this is my ticket in? Any links for this. English passport websites are a nightmare :evil:

Yep and you have to enjoy filling in forms and a long waiting time (3 months is not unusual). It's not cheap but Mrs C took it out of the housekeeping.

I have the link but I'm not allowed to post it - I need 10 posts! I'll see if I can send it to you privately.
Good luck. See you in the queue.

 

[Robmn]

To add my little bit.

Having two passports AUS/UK travelled to the Uk on entering presented UK PP so did my wife.

This is the fun bit next leg on departure from the UK my wife presented her Aus PP, she was told you haven't been here according to our records. As we were going through together they twigged and then asked for her UK PP.

As has been mentioned previously, but a few years back it was very quick to go through the UK entry line. Now with the free entry for EU countries the line gets longer than the visitors line. Ill toss up which to use next time.

r

 

[BillW]

I am eligible for an Irish passport, a restricted version courtesy of my Irish born grandmother (which my children cannot inherit, or are not entitled to). However, from my point of view (as an Australian born passport holder), and having in the past suffered the non-EU queues, I take it that I would be advised to apply for my Irish entitlement. Is that correct? If I do so, do I in any way imperil my Australian status?
Bill

 

[Coverpoint]

Coverpoint... thanks.. must look into this Right of Abode. With the missus having a UK (not English passport maybe this is my ticket in? Any links for this. English passport websites are a nightmare :evil:



I might qualify for one of these...

As someone who, at birth, was a citizen of the UK and Colonies and has or had a
grandparent born, registered, naturalised or adopted in the UK

Yep and you have to enjoy filling in forms and a long waiting time (3 months is not unusual). It's not cheap but Mrs C took it out of the housekeeping.

I have the link but I'm not allowed to post it - I need 10 posts! I'll see if I can send it to you privately.
Good luck. See you in the queue

I don't have enough posts to send you a private message. So I have added you as a contact to me and if you contact me, I'll send the link that way.

 

[MelbMan]

PM sent...

 

[luckyjohn888]

Just a quick point, you can actually travel into and out of Australia on a New Zealand passport regardless of the fact you are also an Austalian citizen. I have done this personally many times and always declare on my immigration card when re-entering Austarlia on an NZ pasport that I am an Australian citizen also and it has never caused any problems. Some countries that require Australian citzens to have visa do not require NZ passport holders to have them and that can be quite a saving in time and money. Cheers.

 

[Coverpoint]

PM sent...

Having no luck replying to PM. Restricted again because of experience. Mrs C reports what she needed to do. The application form was on line but she needed to send original documents to the British High Commission in Canberra in an unregistered package. The do!coughents required were a current Oz passport, an original marriage certificate, my UK Birth certificate. All the details are in this link:
Which can't be sent! Google UK Right of abode Australia - it comes up ukinaustralia.fco.gov.uk/en/visiting-uk/visas/how-do-i-apply/others/right-abode]Certificate of Entitlement to the Right of Abode]


If you tell them that you are departing in May, they will prioritise things. She thinks it was about $290. You need a current passport for the stamp so you will need to get a new passport first and then apply for the ROA. The timing might be tight.
Good luck.