Earning Points for multistop flights.

[PlutekPlutek]

I am flying from Blackwater to Brisbane in a few weeks. The flight is actually routed via Emerald, and has a change in flight number at Emerald before going to Brisbane. In my booking this shows up as two flights, and not one flight with a tech stop. Does this mean I will earn the 1000 minimum points as well as status points for each of the flights, or does this get treated as one flight and only earns 1000 points + status points?

Cheers,
Lukasz

 

[coco50]

The way I understand it, if the flight number changes it is a different flight and you get points and SCs for each sector. Enjoy:!:

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Yes you are in luck...

You earn the 1000 point minimum per each flight ....and is not based on the total distance flown for the two flights combined..

You also earn Status Credits on the per flight basis too.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

The way I understand it, if the flight number changes it is a different flight and you get points and SCs for each sector. Enjoy:!:

The plane just has to land...flight number does not have to change.

Each aiport the plane lands at...you get another 1000 points min.

If greater than 1000 mile is flown between airports you get the distance flown as points. This is for economy.

 

[opusman]

The plane just has to land...flight number does not have to change.

Each aiport the plane lands at...you get another 1000 points min.

If greater than 1000 mile is flown between airports you get the distance flown as points. This is for economy.

No I don't think that's correct. If the flight number doesn't change then points/credits are calculated based on the aggregate distance travelled, irrespective of the number of stops. If the flight number changes (or, obviously, you change planes completely) then points/credits are awarded for the individual flights.

 

[coco50]

The plane just has to land...flight number does not have to change.

Each aiport the plane lands at...you get another 1000 points min.

If greater than 1000 mile is flown between airports you get the distance flown as points. This is for economy.

If the flight number does not change it is only counted as one flight. Years ago the QFLink run from BNK-SYD was BNK-GFN-SYD Alas only one flight number, only 1000 points and only 20 SCs (full economy)

 

[serfty]

Since the flight number changes at Emerald, the OP will get points/SCs as per the two separate flights.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

So a little more research by me then...

9.3.3 Points may be earned for each Flight Segment travelled on Eligible Flights by a member. The number of points earned is calculated using the shortest distance on the surface of the globe between the origin and destination of the Flight Segment, regardless of any intermediate stops.
9.3.4 Points for air travel will be accrued at the applicable Base Rate, as specified in the Airline Earning Table.
9.3.5 The Minimum Points Guarantee will be applied to all Eligible Flights that have a QF, JQ, 3K, VF, AA or BA flight number. The Minimum Points Guarantee is as follows:
(a) for Qantas (QF) and Jetstar (JQ, 3K or VF) - 1,000 Points for each Eligible Flight Segment travelled in Economy or Premium Economy class and 1,250 Points for each Eligible Flight Segment travelled in Business or First class or Jetstar


'Flight Segment' means a Segment that has been or is intended to be flown;

'Segment' means the portion of a journey between two consecutive points listed on an Itinerary. Segments may either be Flight Segments or Surface Segments;


and then...

^ A flight is a trip with a single flight number. If you have to change aircraft but the flight number doesn't change, it is considered the same flight. If the flight number changes during your journey, even if you continue on the same aircraft, this is considered two flights.

 

[opusman]

9.3.3 Points may be earned for each Flight Segment travelled on Eligible Flights by a member. The number of points earned is calculated using the shortest distance on the surface of the globe between the origin and destination of the Flight Segment, regardless of any intermediate stops.

"regardless of any intermediate stops"...

 

[JohnK]

The answer to the question is you will receive 10SCs and 1,000 FF points for each sector, BLT-EMD and EMD-BNE. Please read my recent posts on AFF!

For anyone that still has doubts.

Flight QF2301 booked separately on the same day as CNS-TSV, TSV-MKY, MKY-ROK, ROK-GLT-BNE all posted individually, with 10SCs and 1,000 QFF points for each sector, on my QFF account without any phone calls to the service centre.

For further information consult this thread.

 

[serfty]

"regardless of any intermediate stops"...

... BUT the flight number DOES Change ...

... has a change in flight number at Emerald before going to Brisbane. I. ...

... If the flight number changes during your journey, even if you continue on the same aircraft, this is considered two flights. ...

So there's two flight segments there!

 

[opusman]

... BUT the flight number DOES Change ...
So there's two flight segments there!

I know, why are you arguing with me?

 

[serfty]

I know, why are you arguing with me?

It was not clear that I wasn't.

The post of your's I quoted from had no reference to change of flight number.

 

[coco50]

I reckon what I said in my two previous posts on this thread were clear, succinct and correct: Different flight numbers = different flights = points and SCs for each flight or sector. No change in flight number = one flight regardles of the number of times you land = only one lot of points and SCs:!: :!:

 

[JohnK]

No change in flight number = one flight regardles of the number of times you land = only one lot of points and SCs:!: :!:

I can assure you that is not the case....

 

[NM]

I can assure you that is not the case....

Only if the segments are booked and ticketed as individual flights.

The real issue is what the ticket says. If the ticket says AAA-CCC and the flight stops at BBB on the way, then Robert is 100% correct. But if you purchase AAA-BBB and also purchase BBB-CCC, then as per your recent experience it is likely to post as two flights and hence two lots of SCs and points. But you also pay two lots of fuel fines and even two credit card surcharges if booked as separate tickets and paid by credit card.

 

[JohnK]

Only if the segments are booked and ticketed as individual flights.

No! Please go back and read my original thread and there is also an example posted on FT recently.

Book a return ticket SYD-MRZ, which actuallly routes SYD-NAA-MRZ-SYD where SYD-NAA and NAA-MRZ is the same flight number but 2 separate sectors in the booking and you will be credited with 3 separate flights. Fact!

Why is it difficult to convince people of the fact? If you do not believe me then ask skoogle who also did these flights recently. Anyway I can just see some screws tightening if this discussion continues....

 

[NM]

No! Please go back and read my original thread and there is also an example posted on FT recently.

Book a return ticket SYD-MRZ, which actuallly routes SYD-NAA-MRZ-SYD where SYD-NAA and NAA-MRZ is the same flight number but 2 separate sectors in the booking and you will be credited with 3 separate flights. Fact!

Why is it difficult to convince people of the fact? If you do not believe me then ask skoogle who also did these flights recently. Anyway I can just see some screws tightening if this discussion continues....

That is what I said! If it shows as two separate sectors, then it is treated as two separate sectors. If the ticket shows AAA-CCC then it credits as one flight. If the ticket shows AAA-BBB and BBB-CCC then it credits as two flights. So to use your routing, if it shows as SYD-NAA-MRZ-SYD in the booking, then that is how it credits - 3 flights. But if the booking was to show SYD-MRZ then its one flight.

It all depends on how the booking is constructed as to whether its seen as one flight or two flights. And the construction is reflected in the ticketed routing as shown the by the origin and destination city pairs in the ticket.

I completely understand your example where you booked SYD-MRZ return. It just hapens that in that particular example, QF's system issued the ticket as three segments (SYD-NAA, NAA-MRZ, MRZ-SYD) and hence since it is ticketed as three segments it will credit as three segments. But if it has been ticketed as SYD-MRZ and MRZ-SYD, then it would only credit as two segments. I am not going to try an work out why QF's system would issue SYD-MRZ as SYD-NAA and NAA-MRZ as I have no technical insight into the logic of QF's booking systems. But I can see that booking SYD-NAA return, it would be split into 3 sectors since NAA-SYD requires a flight number change at MRZ.

But my point is correct and accurate. QFF will credit based on the segments shown in the ticket. If the ticket shows 1 segment, QFF credits 1 segment. If the ticket shows 2 segments, QFF credits 2 segments. And if the ticket shows 3 segments, then QFF credits as 3 segments. So to know how it will credit, look at the segments shown on the ticket.

 

[serfty]

So if booked and flown as:

• Trip 1 (same day):
  • SYD-NAA on Flight QF2186
  • NAA-MRZ on Flight QF2186
• Trip 2 (next day):
  • MRZ-SYD on Flight QF2181

One will earn 3 lots of points/SC for the journey as per NM's post "Only if the segments are booked and ticketed as individual flights.".

 

[serfty]

... I am not going to try an work out why QF's system would issue SYD-MRZ as SYD-NAA and NAA-MRZ as I have no technical insight into the logic of QF's booking systems. ...

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