Earning SC on SQ. What's Discount and Full Fare?

[jneufeld]

I calculate that the flight will get us 140 SC each (80 from SYD to SIN and 60 from SIN to JHB). Alternatively, is there any other flight option with a diff airline which could net me the 280 SC's?

Etihad SYD-AUH-JNB will earn the same 140 SC each

 

[Deleted member 29185]

SQ with the outgoing on a flexi saver and return on a super deal in May. I've read that Krisflyer can now earn 10% points on miles on super deal

SQ have different earn rates depending upon partner airlines and they stipulate that 10% on super deals may not apply to partner earns. I've found this fare bucket page, but unfortunately VA does not yet appear there. It'd be lovely if someone from officialdom could perhaps say something like "VA is the same as Air Canada" ...or something similar......or better still, add VA to the list so we all know!

http://www.singaporeair.com/pdf/ppsclub_krisflyer/charts/KFOALLevels.pdf

 

[Fantic125]

Doesn't this tell you though?

Points Earn with Airline Partners | Velocity Frequent Flyer

 

[Stone]

Doesn't this tell you though?

It does. The only question is if Virgin will in the future consider the "Super Deals" and "Sweeet Deals" as discount economy as they are now eligible to earn Kris Flyer points (although at relatively low rates) - this was only changed a week or so ago by Singapore so might take a whle to filter through.

 

[anat0l]

But if it's "y" class ticket (full economy) it should be 100 SCs.
Unless it's classed as discount economy, then it'll be 50 SCs. Does your ticket tell you what class it is?

These are the conditions I can see or this ticket booked as a flex saver dummy booking:


Economy Class
Fare type Flexi Saver
Fare basis code WWBOXHK
Maximum stay NONE UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED
Minimum stay NONE UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED
Stopover FOR FARES WITH FOOTNOTE 4P NOTE - GENERAL RULE DOES NOT APPLY 2 FREE STOPOVERS PERMITTED ON THE PRICING UNIT - 1 IN EACH DIRECTION IN SIN.
Travel restrictions Applicable
VALID FOR TRAVEL COMMENCING ON/AFTER 01OCT 11.
Itinerary change Allowed
No charge
Cancellation/refund Allowed
Before First Flight Departure : USD100 subject to currency fluctuation. After First Flight Departure : No Refund
No show fee Applicable
USD100 subject to currency fluctuation
Earn KrisFlyer Miles Allowed
Accrual levels for flights under corresponding booking fare classes on Singapore Airlines and SilkAir: 300% for R, 150% for F & P in Suites; 150% for A, F, P in First Class; 125% for C, D, J, Z in Business; 100% for B, E, H, K, L, M, S, U, W, Y, 50% for N & Q (for flights departing from 1 Apr 12), 10% for T & V (for flights departing from 1 Apr 12) in Economy Class. No KrisFlyer miles will be earned under booking classes N, Q, T, V for flights departing before 1 Apr 12. KrisFlyer miles are not accrued on codeshare flights marketed by Singapore Airlines and operated by non-KrisFlyer partner airlines. For a list of KrisFlyer partner airlines, Earn miles with airline partners.
KrisFlyer Upgrade Award Not allowed

The fare basis gives you your booking class code, which is the first letter of the fare basis. In this case, you would've been booked into class W.

Am about to book two returns on SQ to Johannesburg and the SC's from my girlfriends pooled to mine, plus mine, will get me platinum

Cheapest fare is $1829 but thats Super Deals - and says earn at 10% on KrisFlyer

My question is - will this also earn SC through Virgin? Am not fussed about sacrificing miles, but do need the SC's - Flexi Saver flight is $2062 so across both flights thats an extra $466 which I don't want to pay unless I have to

I calculate that the flight will get us 140 SC each (80 from SYD to SIN and 60 from SIN to JHB). Alternatively, is there any other flight option with a diff airline which could net me the 280 SC's?

Like above, check the fare basis / detailed fare rules on the SQ website, then cross-check with the Virgin Velocity earning table.

I can't think of many (or any) examples of classes which will earn you SCs but no points - both usually go together (this is not like NZ Airpoints where such is possible).


As someone else noted here (and explained via an email on this thread), SQ have recently changed their own KrisFlyer earning rules so that Sweet Deals and Super Deals and so on now earn KrisFlyer miles and Elite miles (albeit at a slower rate than higher Economy classes), whereas previously they earned nothing. The ability to similarly earn on partners (both Star Alliance and on Virgin Velocity) is probably coming, but who knows how fast this will happen.

 

[smatho10]

So currently Velocity states this for SC's:

^ V Promo fare classes (T, V, Q) are ineligible for Status Credits earn when travelling on Virgin Australia international long haul services operated by Singapore Airlines.

Since you can do a VA booking to Singapore on VA's website now with the applicable fare class (V Promo, Deal, Saver, Flexi). You can click on the promo fare conditions and it states you can get 0.5 point earn and earn SC's (Australia to Singapore). But it has the footnote to the T/V/Q ineligibility.

What stumps me is that - is there any other fare classes under the promo deal?? If there is isn't - is that a contradiction?

 

[Deleted member 29185]

Doesn't this tell you though?

Points Earn with Airline Partners | Velocity Frequent Flyer

I don't know. I'm an int. nobody. I thought that was for VA flights. What about SQ flights? If we book (for arguements sake) an SQ rtn flight BNE-MLE, can't we earn Velocity points by entering our Velocity number? Does it follow that Velocity code share earns will be applied, even if it's not a VA code share flight?

 

[anat0l]

I don't know. I'm an int. nobody. I thought that was for VA flights. What about SQ flights? If we book (for arguements sake) an SQ rtn flight BNE-MLE, can't we earn Velocity points by entering our Velocity number? Does it follow that Velocity code share earns will be applied, even if it's not a VA code share flight?

I don't get what the problem is? (Sorry - not sounding condescending, just confused).

If you fly with an SQ flight number you will earn using the SQ chart as detailed in the VFF Points Earn guide. You'll need to find the booking class code to match up how much credit you'll get (which may be nothing).

If you fly with a VA flight number, you will earn using the VA chart; in the case of SQ, it seems all VA codeshares on SQ operated flights fall under "international long haul". The exception to the table is that some booking class codes for SQ codeshares under the V Promo fare type are excluded from earn completely (V, T and Q).

 

[Fantic125]

I don't know. I'm an int. nobody. I thought that was for VA flights. What about SQ flights? If we book (for arguements sake) an SQ rtn flight BNE-MLE, can't we earn Velocity points by entering our Velocity number? Does it follow that Velocity code share earns will be applied, even if it's not a VA code share flight?

The table referred to identifies the Velocity points you will earn flying on SQ and entering your VA Velocity number for the flight. I looked at booking to Velocity for my recent SQ return flights ADL-SIN-FRA but decided to credit to my Asiana account to requalify for Diamond (*G) as the points and status credits for the booking class was fairly poor.

 

[Deleted member 29185]

I don't get what the problem is? (Sorry - not sounding condescending, just confused).

If you fly with an SQ flight number you will earn using the SQ chart as detailed in the VFF Points Earn guide.

If you fly with a VA flight number, you will earn using the VA chart;

Ah, I don't mind being chastised for being dopey anat0l, but my confusion is what I've condensed above. Are there two charts? A VFF and a VA (formerly V Aust)? I see the VFF above, but am I just being a confused dodery old fool and missing the VA one (which may be right before my eyes).

Perhaps easier, for my investigation into BNE-MLE. I can't book that through VA. I can book that through SQ. Will I earn points (and SCs) according to.......what?

Thank you for your understanding. Domestic travel is so easy compared to this "fare bucket" cough you int. types keep refering to

 

[anat0l]

Ah, I don't mind being chastised for being dopey anat0l, but my confusion is what I've condensed above. Are there two charts? A VFF and a VA (formerly V Aust)? I see the VFF above, but am I just being a confused dodery old fool and missing the VA one (which may be right before my eyes).

Perhaps easier, for my investigation into BNE-MLE. I can't book that through VA. I can book that through SQ. Will I earn points (and SCs) according to.......what?

Thank you for your understanding. Domestic travel is so easy compared to this "fare bucket" cough you int. types keep refering to

For the Virgin Australia group of airlines, there are three earning schemes - domestic (based on $ spent), international short haul and international long haul (both of the latter use fare buckets and based on distance flown). If you booked a SQ operated VA codeshare (i.e. your flight number is VA....), then you would use the international long haul earn table to determine how many points you would get.


For your example of BNE-MLE, here's an illustration of how this would work. Go to the SQ website and put in your points of travel, dates and class (Economy, in this case). Then we get the screen below.



If you were to book this ticket, you'd have two flights which are both operated and marketed by SQ (i.e. an SQ aircraft will fly you there, and the flight number on your ticket is an SQ one). I've only shown the outbound here (but it'd equally apply for the inbound flight).

To find out whether you will earn any points or not, you'll need to read the detailed fare information. To do this, scroll to the bottom of the page and click on "View summary of fare conditions". You'll get a screen which looks like this (in this case, the fare type selected is "Super Deals"):



In this case, the fare basis is VLPR3M, corresponding to a fare bucket / class code of V (the initial letter of the fare basis). If you then go to the Points Earn on partner tables on VFF, look under the SQ section, you'll see that V class is not found in the table. This means you will earn nothing under VFF if you booked this fare.


On the other hand, if we select a Flexi Saver fare type, and view the detailed conditions, we get the following information instead:



In this case, the fare bucket will be W. Under the VFF table for SQ, W is in the Economy section and you'll earn 1 VFF point per mile flown. (If you check the status earn table, you'll also find that you'll earn Full Economy status credits). When you book your SQ ticket, be sure to add your VFF number to the frequent flyer information (i.e. along with all your other passenger information). You can also try adding it at the airport if need be.

 

[Deleted member 29185]

anat0l, you're worth your weight in gold.....well maybe gold Bunnings paint (we've had a GFC).

Thanks heaps for that detailed response. It all makes sense now and seems almost workable for a clot like moi! I can see you'd be a very patient lecturer......full points from me.

One last question.....where does this magical short haul/long haul sand line lie?

PS. I did get that screen shot and I liked the "super saver" price, but I also wasn't overly disappointed by the "flexi" price.

 

[oz_mark]

One last question.....where does this magical short haul/long haul sand line lie?

At the present point in time, it is basically based on flight number. If it is VAxx_ then it is long haul. If it is DJxx_ it is short haul.

 

[sail0r]

Thanks anat0l, great post.

Also I would recommend that they check at the airport that the correct FF number is recorded, the SQ site is a real PITA.