FAA grounds 737 Max 9 Aircraft Indefinitely after Alaska Airlines incident

[Himeno]

Curiously, one airline accounts for a large percentage of these events. Southwest.

Also the airline that demanded they get a 737 "replacement" with the same type rating so they didn't have to retrain all their crews.

 

[elanshin]

Seems like UA and AS reported finding more loose bolts on their other planes too.

 

[jb747]

The only other bigger hole with aircraft survival that I'm aware of is Aloha Airlines 737 back in 1988 when part of the roof peeled off.

And don't forget United 811. Also, curiously, out of Honolulu. But, I was only thinking of events after the advent of the security coughpit doors.

Also the airline that demanded they get a 737 "replacement" with the same type rating so they didn't have to retrain all their crews.

And any threat they made to go to another maker was, of course, empty, as that would have involved much more training.

 

[eastwest101]

The only other bigger hole with aircraft survival that I'm aware of is Aloha Airlines 737 back in 1988 when part of the roof peeled off.

Yeah - that was the only one I could think of where nearly everyone got on the ground safely and the aircraft landed in one piece, that Aloha would have been a -200 Classic model and pre 9/11 coughpit doors.




Yep - happened in the 1988 incident as well, obviously air pressure differential too much for any internal door to handle...... haven't been able to find out if it happened on Southwest 2294 (2009) or Southwest 812 (2011). - both were B737-300 classics. Would be interesting to see.


Seems to be a bit of a Boeing theme of construction started in Witchita, and then completed in Renton in those failures, so starting to wonder if there is a bit of a pattern there as well?

 

[codash1099]

Boeing CEO admits errors, says mid-air blowout 'can never happen again'

Boeing CEO Dave Calhoun has acknowledged errors by the plane maker after a Boeing 737 Max 9 had a panel blowout mid-air on an Alaska Airlines flight.

www.abc.net.au

Loose parts floating around, loose bolts and Boeing says they will make sure it will never happen again. Does anyone else feel that Boeing is just playing Whac-a-Mole? They are treating this as a quality control problem, but it's more likely a culture problem

If bolts are loose on one aircraft, what about other aircraft, and not only on that type but others as well?

 

[Himeno]

I would think that a lot of the problem is the amount of expearanced workers Boeing lost over the pandemic, combined with the cost cutting focus of the exec.

 

[elanshin]

Boeing CEO admits errors, says mid-air blowout 'can never happen again'

Boeing CEO Dave Calhoun has acknowledged errors by the plane maker after a Boeing 737 Max 9 had a panel blowout mid-air on an Alaska Airlines flight.

www.abc.net.au

Loose parts floating around, loose bolts and Boeing says they will make sure it will never happen again. Does anyone else feel that Boeing is just playing Whac-a-Mole? They are treating this as a quality control problem, but it's more likely a culture problem

If bolts are loose on one aircraft, what about other aircraft, and not only on that type but others as well?

The problem here is, that was basically the promise over the last couple of years.

And now we have evidence that things haven't improved at all. The 787s have been plagued by QA issues.

 

[elanshin]

I would think that a lot of the problem is the amount of expearanced workers Boeing lost over the pandemic, combined with the cost cutting focus of the exec.

I think the issues about poor QA has been around for years now. There was the whole debacle about airlines not accepting 787s from South Carolina and only wanting the Everett ones a few years ago.

Boeing's response has always been we promise we'll do better. How many "we'll do better" does Boeing get.

 

[Brissy1]

I see no reason to change my Aisle seat preference

Overheard at the gate desk today someone being offered an exit row seat, with the "are you happy to..."; passenger said err,no. I offered to take it . Helping out!
It was an A320

 

[dajop]

Overheard at the gate desk today someone being offered an exit row seat, with the "are you happy to..."; passenger said err,no. I offered to take it . Helping out!
It was an A320

If you look at the number of incidents which involve evacuations down a slide or over a wing, and the number that involve fatal uncontrolled evacuations at altitude, I think I'd favour being in an exit row for that reasons.

In any event wasn't it a problem problem with a "hidden" emergency exit space and not a normal emergency exit?

 

[Duffa]

Too lazy to read all 7 pages.
Has JB747 commented on the pressurisation warning captions? Orange or red?
Surely they were indicating a leak/weakness?

 

[JohnM]

Too lazy to read all 7 pages.
Has JB747 commented on the pressurisation warning captions? Orange or red?
Surely they were indicating a leak/weakness?

Commented on by Juan Browne:

 

[Himeno]

Commented on by Juan Browne:

Lol.
That video is blocked on the QF wifi

 

[straitman]

I think the issues about poor QA has been around for years now. There was the whole debacle about airlines not accepting 787s from South Carolina and only wanting the Everett ones a few years ago.

Boeing's response has always been we promise we'll do better. How many "we'll do better" does Boeing get.

The issue here is the 737 Max 9 and does not relate to the 737 Max 8 that VA and FJ operate.
The FAA AD was for the Max 9 only.

 

[Quickstatus]

The issue here is the 737 Max 9 and does not relate to the 737 Max 8 that VA and FJ operate.
The FAA AWD was for the Max 9 only.

It invites a broader question of effective quality assurance and possibly FAA oversight. Quality assurance occurs on multiple levels not just on the individual production line.

Q: What else is loose?

 

[Quickstatus]

If bolts are loose on one aircraft, what about other aircraft, and not only on that type but others as well?

A reporter asked this of the NTSB chair (who incidentally has no previous experience in the airline industry).

workers Boeing lost over the pandemic

The 787 QA issues from South Carolina and the 737Max MCAS preceded the Rona. I think many are saying Boeing lost its mojo before Rona

 

[Quickstatus]

But, I was only thinking of events after the advent of the security coughpit doors.

. Understand
I was simply thinking of the biggest hole ever.

I can't understand how UA and Aloha airframe actually survived long enough to land. Can only assume it was luck+engineering

 

[blackcat20]

For takeoff and landing, aren't infants on laps required to be belted in to the seatbelt of the adult using using an extension seat belt/restraint? So not the same as just carrying a bag.

In the US you aren't allowed to use an infant seatbelt, yet in Australia they are required.

 

[Cynicor]

And I cant see how the finder can unlock the phone to take it out of airplane mode

iPhones don’t need to be unlocked to turn airline mode on and off.

 

[Quickstatus]

airline mode on and off.

Ah yes thanks