Federal election uncertainty bad for the airlines

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In the QF and VA delays/ cancellations threads I have alluded to how the Federal election uncertainty, while not a first, is unlikely to be good for the airlines' flying hours, profitability, yields, share prices or percentage of seats filled.

There is some chance that Australia may head back to the polls to try to resolve what may - once the postal and absentee votes are counted - be a fluid and hence unstable situation politically. The Senate situation however cannot be easily resolved as it is extremely difficult for either side - Coalition v Labor/Greens - to obtain a majority irrespective as to whether it is a half-Senate (normal) election or double dissolution.

It is well known that business hates political uncertainty worldwide, but the behaviour of consumers (which may have a lag) can be every bit as important.

It won't be just delays in and unpredictability of the signing of major wholly or mostly government-funded construction contracts for infrastructure - the business side of things - but if consumer confidence takes a hit eventually, then it is not beyond the bounds of possibility that QF and VA may further reduce their domestic flying hours, perhaps even from the summer timetable that comes in from October (although these presumably take months of planning, and there is the problem of assets such as multi-million dollar aircraft needing to attract revenue).

One AFF member commented a while back that there were already unused mainline aircraft sitting around at weekends - probably a reference to B738s from both major airlines.

There may also gradually be an increase in cancelled domestic flights, such as QF sometimes only running three MEL - SYD flights per hour in the peaks, or it or VA cancelling the occasional flight on the half hour (QF generally has a half hourly frequency even during some off peak hours on this route).

As with many of us I like to be conservative with predictions but lower consumer confidence will hit both business and leisure travel, even if some of that reduction in flying by consumers who have a steady job might be irrational: in time, could this lead to the airlines directing more of their staff to take recreation leave, and in a worst case, redundancies?
 
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I don't see any particular uncertainty. The vote will be counted as per normal timeframes. The numbers will be confirmed. If required: Usual protocol is to give the incumbent the opportunity to form a minority government. If that doesn't happen then I guess the opposition gets that option. But I'd expect a minority government to be formed either way, if it comes to that. Then it will be business as usual, unless the minority government really goes out there and loses confidence of the house. I'd expect life to be pretty smooth as wide consensus will be required or the minority government risks getting booted.
 
medhead, commentators such as Barrie Cassidy are already suggesting that we're 'headed back to the polls.'
 
medhead, a government may be formed but it could well be extremely unstable. Australia is becoming the new Italy.

None of this is good for business or by extension the airlines: corporate leaders may not always understand politics well, but they are being quoted in major newspapers this morning saying that there could be 'months of uncertainty'.

This will feed through - negatively - to business investment levels and employment.
 
Nothing like Italy.
and nothing like months of uncertainty. That sort of talk from corporate leaders sounds like they are towing the party line.

There are protocols and processes to be followed. Business of government can continue via various conventions. The first step is to see who can form government. If a government is formed that government would be stupid to be unstable.
 
Nothing like Italy. and nothing like months of uncertainty. That sort of talk from corporate leaders sounds like they are towing the party line...If a government is formed that government would be stupid to be unstable.

Unfortunately, medhead, corporate leaders such as CEO Mr Hirst of Bendigo and Adelaide Bank - hardly a company that could be accused of being a rusted-on Coalition supporter - is stating the uncertainty line.

Barrie Cassidy worked for Bob Hawke, so he too isn't 'toeing the (Liberal/ Nationals) party line' as you put it.

Nice of you to think that minority governments can be 'stable' or achieve a fair bit of their committed to policies - doesn't sound to me like you've ever had to deal with Senate crossbenchers who say one thing, then change their mind.

This situation won't be good for the domestic airlines. The effect on international airlines may be more muted because they do not rely on Australians for all their business.
 
Minority governments are nowhere near as disastrous as some would make out. I get there is a fear of uncertainty but Denmark, New Zealand, Germany and Canada are all countries which have managed to make minority governments work in recent years and frankly I see no evidence to support the idea that Australia's governance has been markedly better than these in the relevant periods.
 
We had a minority government from 2010 to 2013, it's legislative achievements are far superior to the government that followed. Key difference: being capable of negotiation. That must feel scary to a mob that seem to be completely unfamiliar with the concept. Perhaps Barrie Cassidy is simply voicing the final outcome that the likely party to form a minority government, the incumbents, will be incapable of meaningful negotiation (as the record clearly shows) so will soon lose the confidence of the house - meaning election.

BTW whle I appreciate the lecture, I'm well aware of the history of the players involved. Still that isn't going to change my opinion about the question being posed by this thread - 2 days after the the election is way too early for this kind of speculative gazing at belly buttons.
 
We had a minority government from 2010 to 2013, it's legislative achievements are far superior to the government that followed.

Those rascally people smugglers would agree with you. So would those who invented the disgraceful 'Mediscare' campaign that appears to have conned so many.

It's not just a question being posed by me. I bet AJ and JB agree - they are highly likely to both be in the camp of 'we don't like uncertainty for the businesses that we are CEOs of.' Not good for consumer confidence, or, as I said - which was the subject of this thread - for airline profitability, passenger numbers, yields, for airline staff hours spent flying or otherwise on active duty and perhaps even ultimately in some cases ongoing employment.

Burmans - NZ for instance is unicameral (like Queensland and the UK): its legislators do not have a hostile Senate to contend with. Canada's Senate is appointed and rather different from the Australian Senate. Not 'apples v apples' comparisons.
 
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So... what happened? I've been overseas for the last week, prepolled last wednesday before I went, and don't normally watch TV/read newspapers, so missed any political advertisements.
 
Those rascally people smugglers would agree with you. So would those who invented the disgraceful 'Mediscare' campaign that appears to have conned so many.

In this comment we see that the thread is about political posturing rather than a topic. There is no other way to view such an irrelevant comment to the question of stable government of legislative achievement.

Fine go off and talk to the fence post.
 
So... what happened? I've been overseas for the last week, prepolled last wednesday before I went, and don't normally watch TV/read newspapers, so missed any political advertisements.

nothing really. They're still counting votes. But it seems someone wants to make political statements under the guise of airline profits.
 
IMO it's splitting hairs to call it the ' disgraceful Mediscare campaign'. I am an educated person and I consider that the changes the Coalition govt announced/tried to put through were a serious attack on Medicare and the system of health in Australia. The government's assurances that they would not privatise Medicare did not hold water with me. Not interested in debating the issue as I am sure that many have a different opinion, just saying that my view is that Medicare was/is under threat.
 
Not interested in debating it either, but i think mostly muppets would've fallen for the line that Medicare would be privatised when it is such a loss causing/freebie hand out, the sort of things businesses interested in making profit run a mile from... But sure enough we have our share of muppets as i did see people i know on Facebook making posts about please dont vote for the libs as they will turn our health care system into the US version etc, etc, etc....

The counting will continue, hopefully the Libs get to form govt in their own right, or with only one of the rabble of independents... I'd rather strong govt from Labour or Libs than the nonsense of minority govt... I see the last time it happened even with the fantastic legislative accomplishments Labour only avoided a land slide loss narrowly and have now sworn off a repeat performance...

And have to see how it goes, if the cross bench hold whichever side over a barrel with their niche list of demands and their one trick posturing then sure, send it back to the people and see if they can do a better effort next time...
 
Not interested in debating it either, but i think mostly muppets would've fallen for the line that Medicare would be privatised when it is such a loss causing/freebie hand out, the sort of things businesses interested in making profit run a mile from... But sure enough we have our share of muppets as i did see people i know on Facebook making posts about please dont vote for the libs as they will turn our health care system into the US version etc, etc, etc....
I am one of the muppets. Why not privatise Medicare? Governments aren't in the business of running a business. No they struggle to run the country efficiently.

Be afraid. Australia is not immune from USA/UK style changes to Medicare. And that can't be a good thing. Or can it?
 
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