djfuzz
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I read a comment somewhere noting that reading slabs of text in TRs can be off-putting. I am definitely an offender in this regard, so I apologise for my lack of conciseness. I’ll try to do better, but a warning – I won’t be starting to do so in this TR. Maybe next time!
After a very relaxing couple of days at the Peninsula (ate at Spring Moon and Nobu this time, difficult getting in due to Xmas rush but still was a great experience) we are heading off for Dhaka, Bangladesh to visit some family. In my monolithic design phase for this DONE4, I had tossed around the idea of coming to DAC from LHR with BA, but as I got around to making the booking, BA cancelled its DAC service for ‘winter’ (read: indefinitely). This left KA as the only OW airline servicing this port, necessitating another HKG transit (not that I’m complaining!).
At the time of making the booking, I noticed that KA’s D class availability disappeared very quickly. I nabbed our seats for an unsuitable date, but in the months between making the booking and flying, I noticed that KA changed its schedule a couple of times (without informing AA, resulting in a few awkward conversations with AAgents on the RTW desk) so I was able to rebook the tickets in D on a day that suited (again, just before they disappeared completely). Unfortunately, these changes meant that the return flight would go through KTM at a very ungodly hour. Interestingly, on my itinerary it now comes up as two segments (DAC-KTM and KTM-HKG rather than DAC-HKG on the same flight) – which means that our DONE4 will exceed the 16 segments. Of course, the changes were involuntary due to KA’s schedule change – does anyone have any experience with how this affects the validity of DONE4 tickets?
We chose to return on the Airport Express, having had a nice experience on it on the way in – and the stop was just out the side door of the Peninsula Arcade conveniently. Used in-town checkin at Kowloon station, again very convenient as it relieved us of the burden of lugging our baggage on the train back to HKG. Hopped on the train and headed straight to HKG T1 and through security. Going through a spot check, security and then immigration was a bit annoying – no express lane that we qualified for yet, but hoping to activate a HKIA frequent visitor enrolment on our next transit through.
Turned left on emerging through security and walked straight into the Wing First Class Lounge. After reading various TRs, threads and reviews on this site and FT, I was very much looking forward to our first Wing experience, especially so soon after our first Flounge experience at MEL. Again despite leaving well in advance of our flight, by the time we got to the airport and cleared customs I would say we had 3-3.5 hours to enjoy the lounge.
I forget who used to have this as their profile pic, but whoever it was, this photo was a tribute to you.
I would summarise my impressions of the Wing First as follows: not as ostentatiously stylish as the QF Flounge, but elegant nonetheless. Although both look out onto the runway, the choice of architecture is vastly different – the Flounge is upstairs and completely separated from the gate lounges downstairs – a sanctuary. On the other hand, the Wing embraces its position, openly above on a mezzanine looking over the gate lounges. It means that it can be a little noisey, but does allow you to feel more connected to what’s going on around you – there is something to be said (from a certain point of view) of feeling like you are actually in an airport, rather than completely isolated from all that. There was a sign somewhere that said boarding calls would not be made, but nevertheless we heard an announcement every couple of minutes (whether as a function of the lounge’s position, or in despite the sign).
The layout, with low partitioned areas of three sofas / couches and tables each allows for some privacy, but perhaps not enough, especially given the workstations scattered throughout the lounge. The use of opaque glass as partitions both within the lounge and against the balcony of the mezzanine does allow some privacy but also makes you feel cloistered in a bad way – it would be much nicer to have one-sided mirrors that allow you to gaze out onto the runway without others being able to pry into the lounge. The dining rooms were similar (apparently ‘The Haven’ at the Wing is serviced by the Peninsula, much the way the Flounge is serviced by Sofitel), though again the Flounge had more tasteful appointments and a far superior view. I briefly visited the Library, which has a direct analog in the Flounge too. I guess the size, in terms of capacity, was similar, with the Flounge shading the Wing slightly. We were there during a supposedly busy time in the lead up to the North America-bound flights, but it was pretty easy to find a seat. I imagine it would be busier later at night closer to the LHR departures.
Looking down along the mezzanine side of the First Class section of the Wing.
The Library.
The Haven.
I checked out the Business Lounge at the Wing briefly as well – seemed similar to the First Lounge, but clearly bigger and with a number of different areas. Obviously there was the Long and Short bars (not so busy) and the Noodle Café (very busy). Popped downstairs and had a look at the Gamezone too – looked very cool, though a few too many PS2s. I would have thought CX would have transitioned to PS3s/360s/Wiis by now, given that they’ve been around for coming up to four years. I would have to say that the Wing Business looked better than what I’ve come to expect from QF’s J lounges, which feel more like glorified self-serve waiting lounges (but for the bathrooms and their Molton Brown goodness).
Unlike the Business Lounge, the First Lounge had no bar per se – but within second of taking a seat, a waiter approached us and asked for our drink orders. Naturally, we took up the champu, which was Moet – reliable, if not as nice as the Tattinger at MEL. Mrs Djf wasn’t bowled over by the dining room at The Haven, so decided to get some food from the buffet and bring it back to our seats. We had some tandoori and kebab skewers with mint sauce, a delicious fried rice, sausages with onion sauce, various dim sum with a fantastic chili paste, shrimp bisque, a very light Irish chocolate cake cake, some pastries and some Peninsula chocolate. Great food, very tasty and satisfying – perhaps not as refined as the a la carte service at the Flounge, but just as delicious.
Food at the Wing.
Of course, the one stark point of difference between the Flounge and the Wing is the cabanas instead of the spa. The spa at MEL was lovely, but we were lucky enough to get in when it was relatively quiet – if it were busy we would have been fighting for a booking against the preferred F pax. After we were satisfied with our late lunch, we proceeded to take advantage of one of the cabanas, with their private bathroom, rainshower, bath and patio overlooking the stream – the separate day bed and flat leather seat meant that we could enjoy it together. The seats were comfortable if hard – and could really have used some pillows to enhance the experience (you might have been able to request pillows, but I can’t remember seeing them on the list of requestables). However, due to the fact that all of the cabanas look over the stream openly, noise from the other cabanas does filter down. Obviously this does keep the occupants honest to some extent (no potential for hanky panky), but it does also spoil the seclusion that the cabanas otherwise offer. We had a few couples with kids nearby and we could hear everything, from their conversations, to them showering and bathing. Admittedly they could have closed the internal door when doing so (as we did), but they clearly hadn’t and we had to live with hearing stuff we’d rather not have – not great. Aside from the noise though, we did thoroughly enjoy the ability to shower, relax and even have a bath in privacy in an airline lounge. While not as directly invigorating as the Flounge spa, it was relaxing in a completely different way. I probably prefer the spa, but both were wonderful options to have available to us in different places.
Once we were satisfied with having taken some time out to enjoy each of the benefits of the cabana, we had a bit of time left before the flight and tossed up whether it would be worth it to head over to the Gate 15 to check out the new Qantas J Lounge for a coffee. Ultimately, given the proximity of the Wing to our departure gate (4), we decided against it (seen one QF J lounge, seen them all?) and decided instead to have a coffee and snack at the Wing before leaving. Given the quality of food and service here, I’m just not sure whether there would have been any point in going to the QF J lounge – if the new Flounge was open it may have been another story though. Anyone know when that’s going to happen? I read that it should have been late December, but have seen to announcements about it (the J lounge was publicized pretty widely).
With boarding called for our flight, we walked through to the other end of the Business Lounge and straight out to our gate. Boarded through the priority lane and got to use the dedicated aerobridge for First/Business (really MEL/QF, if they’re using them for 330s in HKG, we really should have them for 744s).
I must say that I was quite surprised on boarding the KA 330. Not quite sure what I’d expected – I thought they’d have a regional J type product with bigger seats and legroom, but nothing special as far as the hard product goes. What I was met with was something similar to the AA hard J product – fully flat (if not horizontal) Recaro seats with IFE and storage mounted in front, but with much greater legroom and personal space between rows. The Recaro seats were pretty similar to AA, with all the same hangups – the two ‘relaxation positions’ are pretty awkward to get to, with the seat going up before going down, and neither is particularly comfortable. Without any independent lumbar and recline controls, it’s a bit of a game to try to customize something that suits your individual needs. These seats, though a little worn, were cleaner and better maintained than AA – it felt more like a true J class cabin than a clustered cubicle coffin (the curtains between cabins certainly helped). The only real disappointment I had with the hard product was the pillows – after being spoiled with soft QF pillows, these were small and hard, I’d have complained if I got them in economy. The bathrooms were much like QF’s J class bathrooms, but with paper towels and fake orchids instead of real flowers – and more regularly cleaned by the crew, even on a short regional leg.
In fact that is one thing that really stood out about KA – the J service was an absolute treat. Interestingly (and I hope not coincidentally) Mrs Djf was given a survey at the start of the flight (maybe OWE’s only?) about the inflight service, and it certainly did not disappoint (though I noticed others in the cabin getting a similar level of service too, so it wasn’t just them being nice to generate good survey results). We were always greeted by name (thankfully QF had lifted their game in that regard too), always offered a top up and rubbish disposal as the FA’s passed by, unintrusively asked if we required any assistance at various points throughout the flight. I didn’t have high hopes for KA, particularly on a route that I know other carriers skimp on, but they well and truly exceeded my expectations for even their parent company.
Only two things about the KA service were not exceptional – one, the food (we had a Moroccan chicken dish) was acceptable but not stellar, dessert was good but pedestrian (Haagen Dasz ice cream); two, the crew did not have landing cards for us onboard, resulting in a good ten to fifteen minutes spent in the arrivals hall frantically filling out the laborious Bengali disembarkation forms. Other arrival curiosities could probably be blamed on the port (like showing boarding passes on deplaning and the transit pax having to remain seated on board – without being able to go to the loo – while the aircraft was being cleaned). Seems like DAC is not one of those ports to take advantage of lounges while in transit; I hope KTM isn’t the same.
Pick up our final two (or three?) DONE4 flights very soon, and will of course track through to our return home as well (back to PE on QF!). We also have a Y CX leg from our positioning flight to Seoul, so the all-J bonanza is set to end soon too – has been great while it’s lasted! (Having said that, we’re both beginning to get a taste for Flounging).
I read a comment somewhere noting that reading slabs of text in TRs can be off-putting. I am definitely an offender in this regard, so I apologise for my lack of conciseness. I’ll try to do better, but a warning – I won’t be starting to do so in this TR. Maybe next time!
After a very relaxing couple of days at the Peninsula (ate at Spring Moon and Nobu this time, difficult getting in due to Xmas rush but still was a great experience) we are heading off for Dhaka, Bangladesh to visit some family. In my monolithic design phase for this DONE4, I had tossed around the idea of coming to DAC from LHR with BA, but as I got around to making the booking, BA cancelled its DAC service for ‘winter’ (read: indefinitely). This left KA as the only OW airline servicing this port, necessitating another HKG transit (not that I’m complaining!).
At the time of making the booking, I noticed that KA’s D class availability disappeared very quickly. I nabbed our seats for an unsuitable date, but in the months between making the booking and flying, I noticed that KA changed its schedule a couple of times (without informing AA, resulting in a few awkward conversations with AAgents on the RTW desk) so I was able to rebook the tickets in D on a day that suited (again, just before they disappeared completely). Unfortunately, these changes meant that the return flight would go through KTM at a very ungodly hour. Interestingly, on my itinerary it now comes up as two segments (DAC-KTM and KTM-HKG rather than DAC-HKG on the same flight) – which means that our DONE4 will exceed the 16 segments. Of course, the changes were involuntary due to KA’s schedule change – does anyone have any experience with how this affects the validity of DONE4 tickets?
We chose to return on the Airport Express, having had a nice experience on it on the way in – and the stop was just out the side door of the Peninsula Arcade conveniently. Used in-town checkin at Kowloon station, again very convenient as it relieved us of the burden of lugging our baggage on the train back to HKG. Hopped on the train and headed straight to HKG T1 and through security. Going through a spot check, security and then immigration was a bit annoying – no express lane that we qualified for yet, but hoping to activate a HKIA frequent visitor enrolment on our next transit through.
Turned left on emerging through security and walked straight into the Wing First Class Lounge. After reading various TRs, threads and reviews on this site and FT, I was very much looking forward to our first Wing experience, especially so soon after our first Flounge experience at MEL. Again despite leaving well in advance of our flight, by the time we got to the airport and cleared customs I would say we had 3-3.5 hours to enjoy the lounge.
I forget who used to have this as their profile pic, but whoever it was, this photo was a tribute to you.
I would summarise my impressions of the Wing First as follows: not as ostentatiously stylish as the QF Flounge, but elegant nonetheless. Although both look out onto the runway, the choice of architecture is vastly different – the Flounge is upstairs and completely separated from the gate lounges downstairs – a sanctuary. On the other hand, the Wing embraces its position, openly above on a mezzanine looking over the gate lounges. It means that it can be a little noisey, but does allow you to feel more connected to what’s going on around you – there is something to be said (from a certain point of view) of feeling like you are actually in an airport, rather than completely isolated from all that. There was a sign somewhere that said boarding calls would not be made, but nevertheless we heard an announcement every couple of minutes (whether as a function of the lounge’s position, or in despite the sign).
The layout, with low partitioned areas of three sofas / couches and tables each allows for some privacy, but perhaps not enough, especially given the workstations scattered throughout the lounge. The use of opaque glass as partitions both within the lounge and against the balcony of the mezzanine does allow some privacy but also makes you feel cloistered in a bad way – it would be much nicer to have one-sided mirrors that allow you to gaze out onto the runway without others being able to pry into the lounge. The dining rooms were similar (apparently ‘The Haven’ at the Wing is serviced by the Peninsula, much the way the Flounge is serviced by Sofitel), though again the Flounge had more tasteful appointments and a far superior view. I briefly visited the Library, which has a direct analog in the Flounge too. I guess the size, in terms of capacity, was similar, with the Flounge shading the Wing slightly. We were there during a supposedly busy time in the lead up to the North America-bound flights, but it was pretty easy to find a seat. I imagine it would be busier later at night closer to the LHR departures.
Looking down along the mezzanine side of the First Class section of the Wing.
The Library.
The Haven.
I checked out the Business Lounge at the Wing briefly as well – seemed similar to the First Lounge, but clearly bigger and with a number of different areas. Obviously there was the Long and Short bars (not so busy) and the Noodle Café (very busy). Popped downstairs and had a look at the Gamezone too – looked very cool, though a few too many PS2s. I would have thought CX would have transitioned to PS3s/360s/Wiis by now, given that they’ve been around for coming up to four years. I would have to say that the Wing Business looked better than what I’ve come to expect from QF’s J lounges, which feel more like glorified self-serve waiting lounges (but for the bathrooms and their Molton Brown goodness).
Unlike the Business Lounge, the First Lounge had no bar per se – but within second of taking a seat, a waiter approached us and asked for our drink orders. Naturally, we took up the champu, which was Moet – reliable, if not as nice as the Tattinger at MEL. Mrs Djf wasn’t bowled over by the dining room at The Haven, so decided to get some food from the buffet and bring it back to our seats. We had some tandoori and kebab skewers with mint sauce, a delicious fried rice, sausages with onion sauce, various dim sum with a fantastic chili paste, shrimp bisque, a very light Irish chocolate cake cake, some pastries and some Peninsula chocolate. Great food, very tasty and satisfying – perhaps not as refined as the a la carte service at the Flounge, but just as delicious.
Food at the Wing.
Of course, the one stark point of difference between the Flounge and the Wing is the cabanas instead of the spa. The spa at MEL was lovely, but we were lucky enough to get in when it was relatively quiet – if it were busy we would have been fighting for a booking against the preferred F pax. After we were satisfied with our late lunch, we proceeded to take advantage of one of the cabanas, with their private bathroom, rainshower, bath and patio overlooking the stream – the separate day bed and flat leather seat meant that we could enjoy it together. The seats were comfortable if hard – and could really have used some pillows to enhance the experience (you might have been able to request pillows, but I can’t remember seeing them on the list of requestables). However, due to the fact that all of the cabanas look over the stream openly, noise from the other cabanas does filter down. Obviously this does keep the occupants honest to some extent (no potential for hanky panky), but it does also spoil the seclusion that the cabanas otherwise offer. We had a few couples with kids nearby and we could hear everything, from their conversations, to them showering and bathing. Admittedly they could have closed the internal door when doing so (as we did), but they clearly hadn’t and we had to live with hearing stuff we’d rather not have – not great. Aside from the noise though, we did thoroughly enjoy the ability to shower, relax and even have a bath in privacy in an airline lounge. While not as directly invigorating as the Flounge spa, it was relaxing in a completely different way. I probably prefer the spa, but both were wonderful options to have available to us in different places.
Once we were satisfied with having taken some time out to enjoy each of the benefits of the cabana, we had a bit of time left before the flight and tossed up whether it would be worth it to head over to the Gate 15 to check out the new Qantas J Lounge for a coffee. Ultimately, given the proximity of the Wing to our departure gate (4), we decided against it (seen one QF J lounge, seen them all?) and decided instead to have a coffee and snack at the Wing before leaving. Given the quality of food and service here, I’m just not sure whether there would have been any point in going to the QF J lounge – if the new Flounge was open it may have been another story though. Anyone know when that’s going to happen? I read that it should have been late December, but have seen to announcements about it (the J lounge was publicized pretty widely).
With boarding called for our flight, we walked through to the other end of the Business Lounge and straight out to our gate. Boarded through the priority lane and got to use the dedicated aerobridge for First/Business (really MEL/QF, if they’re using them for 330s in HKG, we really should have them for 744s).
I must say that I was quite surprised on boarding the KA 330. Not quite sure what I’d expected – I thought they’d have a regional J type product with bigger seats and legroom, but nothing special as far as the hard product goes. What I was met with was something similar to the AA hard J product – fully flat (if not horizontal) Recaro seats with IFE and storage mounted in front, but with much greater legroom and personal space between rows. The Recaro seats were pretty similar to AA, with all the same hangups – the two ‘relaxation positions’ are pretty awkward to get to, with the seat going up before going down, and neither is particularly comfortable. Without any independent lumbar and recline controls, it’s a bit of a game to try to customize something that suits your individual needs. These seats, though a little worn, were cleaner and better maintained than AA – it felt more like a true J class cabin than a clustered cubicle coffin (the curtains between cabins certainly helped). The only real disappointment I had with the hard product was the pillows – after being spoiled with soft QF pillows, these were small and hard, I’d have complained if I got them in economy. The bathrooms were much like QF’s J class bathrooms, but with paper towels and fake orchids instead of real flowers – and more regularly cleaned by the crew, even on a short regional leg.
In fact that is one thing that really stood out about KA – the J service was an absolute treat. Interestingly (and I hope not coincidentally) Mrs Djf was given a survey at the start of the flight (maybe OWE’s only?) about the inflight service, and it certainly did not disappoint (though I noticed others in the cabin getting a similar level of service too, so it wasn’t just them being nice to generate good survey results). We were always greeted by name (thankfully QF had lifted their game in that regard too), always offered a top up and rubbish disposal as the FA’s passed by, unintrusively asked if we required any assistance at various points throughout the flight. I didn’t have high hopes for KA, particularly on a route that I know other carriers skimp on, but they well and truly exceeded my expectations for even their parent company.
Only two things about the KA service were not exceptional – one, the food (we had a Moroccan chicken dish) was acceptable but not stellar, dessert was good but pedestrian (Haagen Dasz ice cream); two, the crew did not have landing cards for us onboard, resulting in a good ten to fifteen minutes spent in the arrivals hall frantically filling out the laborious Bengali disembarkation forms. Other arrival curiosities could probably be blamed on the port (like showing boarding passes on deplaning and the transit pax having to remain seated on board – without being able to go to the loo – while the aircraft was being cleaned). Seems like DAC is not one of those ports to take advantage of lounges while in transit; I hope KTM isn’t the same.
Pick up our final two (or three?) DONE4 flights very soon, and will of course track through to our return home as well (back to PE on QF!). We also have a Y CX leg from our positioning flight to Seoul, so the all-J bonanza is set to end soon too – has been great while it’s lasted! (Having said that, we’re both beginning to get a taste for Flounging).