First Lounge Guests

[drewbles]

Lounging contains an element of risk...

...including but not limited to 1) excessive consumption of alcohol leading to i) an increased risk of falling asleep during massage treatment, ii) a high chance you will regret booking that JQ flight later when the hangover kicks in, iii) the probability of missing your flight

 

[opusman]

"Professional lounge advice should be sought."

That's what AFF is for

 

[drewbles]

That's what AFF is for

We all need to 'consult lounging experts' or are we all said experts. either way you're spot on

 

[yohy?!]

There does seem to be a conflict between the WP Guest Access Rule and the OWE Guest Access Rule.

If I'm on CX for example and my guest is on QF then under OWE rules they should get admitted right? Or are we entering BA lounge-dalek territory with arbitrary rules that defy logic...

 

[Kangol]

There does seem to be a conflict between the WP Guest Access Rule and the OWE Guest Access Rule.

If I'm on CX for example and my guest is on QF then under OWE rules they should get admitted right? Or are we entering BA lounge-dalek territory with arbitrary rules that defy logic...

I understand that you are admitted under a single class of "eligibility" (for lack of a better description) which may depend on which FF program you are using to gain entry, that is if you are using a FF program to gain entry in the first place.

In your example this is my interpretation:
If you are using your QF WP status (whilst flying CX non-F) to gain entry, then QF rules are used (1 guest, must be travelling with you) - not OWE rules.
If you are flying CX F (hypothetically, I don't know if CX operates int F out of SYD or MEL) and using your F ticket to gain entry (regardless of FF program used), then int OW F rules are used: (Next onward flight that day must be on a oneworld operated and marketed flight[SUP]#[/SUP]. One guest allowed. Must be travelling on a oneworld operated and marketed flight[SUP]#)[/SUP]

This probably won't apply to your situation, but another example is:
If you are a non-QF OWE flying CX using your non-QF OWE status to gain entry, then OWE rules are used (Next onward flight that day must be on a oneworld operated and marketed flight[SUP]#[/SUP]. One guest allowed. Must be travelling on a oneworld operated and marketed flight[SUP]#)[/SUP]

I take it that OW rules are used for entry into the SYD/MEL F Lounges if the member is of a OW program that is not QFF. (ie OW rules only apply to QFF members when they are gaining entry to a non QF OW lounge)

See serfty's post on page 1:
http://www.australianfrequentflyer....ram/first-lounge-guests-41429.html#post647958

However the rules for F pax (QF and non-QF OW) have changed since that was posted, there is a guest stipulation for QF F pax now:
One guest allowed and must be travelling with the member.

Eligibility and Access to The Qantas Club lounges

I guess one way to get around such rules is to join a non-QF OW FF program, get to OWE level and use that for entry!
Or, book a QF F metal codeshare flight with a non-QF OW flight number and use OW F rules..

 

[yohy?!]

A bit of a follow up... Travelling in J on CX today with other half on QF. Presented my CX lounge invitation and both boarding cards. Access granted without question over guest access apart from the manager saying something along the lines of 'charge the guest to Cathay as the platinum is flying them'.

 

[ChrisFlyer]

I think all that is needed is just a couple of words to make it more precise, there are already enough footnotes. Although I don't want to put words in Qantas' mouth something like "... travelling on the same flight as a member" would clear things up.

Well, it seems that QF have now made such a revision. For F pax, WP and WP1, the access wording has changed.

Previously:

"One guest allowed and must be travelling with the member."

Now:

"One guest allowed and must be travelling with the member on the same flight."

What was a grey area is now a black-and-white rule. While the change doesn't affect me personally (I'm always on the same int'l flights as my guests), what was previously a possible yes for some travellers is now a definite no (unless you're a CL). As an example, pax 1 is flying QF SYD-SIN, and pax 2 (the guest) is flying BA SYD-SIN. In the past, they may have been able to talk their way in, though now they cannot. The same applies to those who have arrived on the previous flight together (so had been 'travelling with the member'), but who are now on different onward flights. The full access rules for WP/WP1 read "Next onward flight must be on a Qantas, Emirates, Jetstar Airlines+ or oneworld flight number.# One guest allowed and must be travelling with the member on the same flight.", which basically implies that the 'same flight' must be the 'next onward flight'.

I can't really see the benefit of the change (as the worst that could happen in the past was the dragon saying no, whereas now the dragon will simply always say no), but opinions may differ!

 

[Danger]

Sneaky, sneaky.

 

[serfty]

Well, it seems that QF have now made such a revision. For F pax, WP and WP1, the access wording has changed.

Previously:

"One guest allowed and must be travelling with the member."

Now:

"One guest allowed and must be travelling with the member on the same flight."
...

This was noticed and posted by CaviAck at the start of this month:
http://www.australianfrequentflyer....sed-guesting-conditions-49947.html#post814456

Basically it means QFF elites are more restricted in guesting access to Qantas lounges than their equivalent (non QF) oneworld tiers.

Qantas can do what it likes with its "own" elites, but has to adhere to oneworld agreements when it comes to elites of other oneworld program.

So an AA EXP travelling from SYD to SIN on QF1 is quite entitled to guest into the First Lounge a passenger travelling to the USA on QF107 while (with change) a QF WP would not have the same rights.

 

[ChrisFlyer]

Ahh I didn't see that thread - sorry for the 'double post', as it were

 

[Austman]

The current Flounge access for a WP is:

Platinum Frequent Flyer
Next onward flight must be on a Qantas^, Emirates^, Jetstar Airlines+ or oneworld flight number.#
One guest allowed and must be travelling with the member on the same flight.

I'm soon travelling from Sydney on a code share (not QF, EK, JQ or OW metal). A paid QF ticket, but with a QF flight number, so I think I'll be OK. My guest will be on the same flight, also on a QF ticket but not with the QF flight number (it was an QF award ticket and there was no choice).

Is it considered the "same flight" from a Flounge access point of view?

 

[JessicaTam]

The current Flounge access for a WP is:



I'm soon travelling from Sydney on a code share (not QF, EK, JQ or OW metal). A paid QF ticket, but with a QF flight number, so I think I'll be OK. My guest will be on the same flight, also on a QF ticket but not with the QF flight number (it was an QF award ticket and there was no choice).

Is it considered the "same flight" from a Flounge access point of view?

You should be fine. At worst you will have to explain the codeshare, but that is very unlikely.

 

[JohnK]

Is it considered the "same flight" from a Flounge access point of view?

You should be OK but didn't people have the same sort of issue with Air Pacific?

 

[kpc]

The current Flounge access for a WP is:



I'm soon travelling from Sydney on a code share (not QF, EK, JQ or OW metal). A paid QF ticket, but with a QF flight number, so I think I'll be OK. My guest will be on the same flight, also on a QF ticket but not with the QF flight number (it was an QF award ticket and there was no choice).

Is it considered the "same flight" from a Flounge access point of view?

Similar scenario:2 weeks ago, I flew on a QF codeshare (with QF flight number) on Asiana metal; +1 was on a OZ flight number on same plane. I handed both BPs (with mine on top) to the F lounge desk with my QF Plat card; both BPs were scanned and we were let in with no Qs asked