First out of SIN

[Moopere]

I've got to start planning something for 500K KF points that are going to expire in APR next year.

First to LHR or CDG seemed like a nice experience as I've not done SIN first previously. However, of course, everything is waitlisted. Initially did a serious hunt from SYD as I had a dream of trying out a suite but theres nothing available. Trying to get a bit more realistic I had a look at availability out of PER where I live - nothing - theres no 1st out of PER and even J is fully waitlisted.

Looking at outgoing from SIN however see's lots of availability. Its all 'Advantage' - all the 'saver' stock is waitlisted but you know, it is what it is, I won't have the time left before the points expire to try and play the best value game.

I'll get from PER to SIN in some other way, have a ton of VA and Amex points so will have to see whats available.

Aside from some hopefully manageable inherent danger of booking adjoining legs separately (ie, if I can't get to SIN on the day for some reason .... argh!) is there anything nasty in this situation that I'm forgetting?

I usually don't do this, generally I book end to end on one ticket to put the onus on the carrier.

EDIT: Oh, whats the real-world difference between F and J on the 777-300ER? Photos on the SQ web site make the offering look pretty similar.

 

[Scr77]

I had many KF miles expiring too. Make your way to Melbourne in august and you’ll find F savers available to SIN.

 

[dajop]

Looking at outgoing from SIN however see's lots of availability. Its all 'Advantage' - all the 'saver' stock is waitlisted but you know, it is what it is, I won't have the time left before the points expire to try and play the best value game.

I'll get from PER to SIN in some other way, have a ton of VA and Amex points so will have to see whats available.

If you are going down the path of Advantage F award ex-SIN, I'm pretty sure you should be able to (by calling) include Advantage J award from PER to SIN in the same booking using the F chart for PER to Europe which is only an extra 20,000 miles vs SIN-Europe in F. That would be the most economical way of getting to SIN. If just relying on Savers, then same but obviously you would have to have the waitlist gods smile on you to get both sectors.

 

[lovestotravel]

EDIT: Oh, whats the real-world difference between F and J on the 777-300ER? Photos on the SQ web site make the offering look pretty similar.

Not much, wider seat, better champagne and better food

1:1 flight attendant ratio from memory

But still a very very nice way to travel

 

[drron]

The F seat on SQs 777 may only be a little larger but it is way more comfortable than the J seat on the same plane. Plus way better service.
I have done both.

 

[Moopere]

Mmm. Reconsidering if F is worth an extra 100,000 KF points per seat compared to J/Savers when they are so similar. Thanks for the comments about this. The whole F Suite thing would be such an experience but you know, theres an element of luck involved there as well - last moment plane change from the A380 to a B777 would mean the suite option is gone and I'd have to set myself in SYD or MEL first as I'm from PER.

Also, and I knew it already, but I've left my run too late to hook up decent flights on this side of my points expiry in APR 2023. I'm starting to feel like I might gamble a bit and push myself well out into 2023, AUG/SEP/OCT even. If circumstances change I can rebook for a relatively nominal fee - I understand I won't be able to cancel because the expired points will vanish if I do that.

 

[drron]

I would be more worried in a last minute 777 swap to A350 which happened to me. And SQ would not refund the difference in points when forced to downgrade to J.
So I think it possibly is not worth an Advantage F award.

 

[lovestotravel]

I would be more worried in a last minute 777 swap to A350 which happened to me. And SQ would not refund the difference in points when forced to downgrade to J.
So I think it possibly is not worth an Advantage F award.

Really ? So you "paid" for F and get J and no points refunded/credits/anything ?

 

[drron]

Really ? So you "paid" for F and get J and no points refunded/credits/anything ?

That's what I was told on 3 occasions so cancelled the award altogether and flying paid EK J instead.

 

[Moopere]

I would be more worried in a last minute 777 swap to A350 which happened to me. And SQ would not refund the difference in points when forced to downgrade to J.
So I think it possibly is not worth an Advantage F award.

Yikes! One hears stories like this more often then you should and I always wonder what the argument is from the airlines side? I just don't get it. J isn't the same as F and they charge differently in acknowledgement of that. This is the type of thing I associate in my mind with QF as they more often than not just don't give a stuff. I'm so surprised to hear this is also a thing with SQ. I'll keep a watch out and certainly would bleat long and loud if an award J turned into an award Y (for example).

As you've alerted me I've gone off to have a look at the A350-900, there are two configurations, medium haul and long haul and they look quite different. I'm going to guess that medium would be an Australia-SIN flight and long might be SIN-LHR but no F on either.

 

[lovestotravel]

As you've alerted me I've gone off to have a look at the A350-900, there are two configurations, medium haul and long haul and they look quite different. I'm going to guess that medium would be an Australia-SIN flight and long might be SIN-LHR but no F on either.

Yes Australia-SIN gets the totally pathetic medium haul A350, SIN-LHR etc gets the long-haul version

In saying that it's still J, but the medium haul/regional A350 is shorter and narrower

The best J is on the 777 IMO

 

[BCons]

Difference 777 F to J ? Let me count the ways : 2 loos for 4 pax in F, 2 FA's for 4 pax in F, bed is much nicer wider and no offset foot box like in J. Grog is a different level, caviar service is pretty nice, personal attention factor is max, nothing is too much trouble, F lounges elsewhere TPR in Sin.

Done enough 380 and 777 flts to say wud prefer the 7 every time. Most recent Aug/Sep Sin/Lhr and Zrh/Sin. Actually liked old A380 more than the new suites - depends how much ostentation you like, I guess. Book'em Danno

 

[Scr77]

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