First time to the US - comments on itinerary

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Thanks for all the additional replies everyone!

Our first trip to the US was for about 3 weeks, which included Thanksgiving. What we didn't realise is that it's not just effectively an extended long weekend in the US (with Thanksgiving being on the Thursday), the whole week is vacation time for the majority of schools just about the whole country seems to be on holiday for the week! Everywhere was extremely busy starting from about the Sunday before Thanksgiving until the Monday after.

I have noticed that, mainly in the early airfares published (similar to Christmas/New Years pricing on certain days around the holidays). I'm looking forward to being their actually around that period, one other thing I've notice is generally the hotels are fairly well priced around that period (well except NYC).

I agree with those saying to make some time for Mt Rainer, Yosemite or Zion/Bryce Canyon. Aside from NYC and SF, the next best destinations in the States are National Parks IMO. Seattle is particularly good because it is surrounded by three of them and not far from Vancouver and Portland which both have wonderful scenery as well.

I was originally planning to visit Yosemite, but it will more then likely be closed at that time from what I've seen.

With regard to NY, I find that those who do not enjoy it are often those that for some bizarre reason choose a hotel in or nearby to Times Sq - the absolute worst part of the city. Stay in a nice neighbourhood, personally its the UWS for me but I also enjoy Chelsea, East Village, LES or parts of Brooklyn as a nice place to stay. Everything is so accessible there is no reason to stay in the hell hole of Time Sq or even anywhere in midtown.

We've got the last 5 nights at the St Regis, so should be far enough out of the Times Square area?? Now just looking at what part of NYC to spend the first 2 nights there.

I would agree with the poster who said to stay at the village at the Grand Canyon.

We stayed there one night and it was just awesome. It is way better than wasting time travelling to and from your external hotel.

This applies to Bryce and Zion parks as well.

From the comments, maybe it's an idea to possibly drop a night in LA and add another to Vegas/Grand Canyon to get a much better GC experience.
 
Thanks for all the additional replies everyone!

We've got the last 5 nights at the St Regis, so should be far enough out of the Times Square area?? Now just looking at what part of NYC to spend the first 2 nights there.
St Regis is a beautiful hotel, and yes well out of Times Sq. Still an exceptionally busy part of town. But thats probably cool for your first visit.
 
Do you need to change hotels in NYC? It a nuisance and takes up time.
I completely agree, but wasn't my call :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

We had the AMEX points sitting there before Marriott devaluation, enough to get 5 nights there or 7 nights at one of their other properties - I was thinking 7 nights, but Mrs Rock wanted to finish it off in style - and you know who won out in that decision :p:p:p
 
I use the Marriott Best Rate Gurantee to great effect. You may be able to book the extra nights for a cheaper rate if you can see a cheaper rate elsewhere. Marriott will give you 25% off the cheaper rate under their BRG.
I watch it and keep rebooking every time the price goes down.

Edit : also, contact a Virtuoso agent - there’s some on AFF. They will get you a good deal.
 
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LA is vastly underrated, especially by smug Australians :)

Ignore Hollywood. There's a huge amount to do and see in LA. Plus the climate is spectacular. It's hard to think of a nicer place overall.
 
I live in Orange County (rather than in LA, there is a real difference) and travel around the US often for both pleasure and business. One thing I will say is if you plan 2 days here, 3 days there etc. you'll end up spending a lot of your time travelling. Not just the flights but getting to and from airports, getting through security etc.. If you want to see the major tourist icons then I guess that's the price you pay but apart from places like NYC this country is best seen and experienced by road.
What we do, if we're not say going to an event or to see friends, is fly in to a city like NYC or Orlando and use that as a base for a week or two. You get to see a bunch more things, not just the headline items, and you get a feel for the place. NYC is a case in point; the first time we went there we stayed for 2 weeks. After 2 days I was done, ready to go home. After 4 days I was 100% the other way. Take a trip up the Hudson, visit the Rockefeller Estate near Sleepy Hollow, get to know and use the subway, spend 1/2 a day at The Met (you'll need a day to do see it really), wander around Central Park and grab a bagel at Grand Central.
San Francisco is the reverse; frankly it's shadow of it's former self. Expensive (Silicon Valley has seen to that), busy and dirty. I get in and out now as fast as I can while LA and surrounding areas have much more to offer. LA has museums, heaps of interesting local areas and more. Others have mentioned the Getty, also the Peterson for cars, K-town or Sawtelle for some great Asian food, and so on. Head up PCH for the coastal views but head inland a bit for some local tucker at reasonable prices. Drive up into some canyons and stop at local bakeries and cafes. You'll be surprised.
As somebody else said, in the US go a couple of blocks and the place can be completely different. Stick to the main tourist spots and you won't see the USA, you'll only see what others who want your money want you to see.
 
I use the Marriott Best Rate Gurantee to great effect. You may be able to book the extra nights for a cheaper rate if you can see a cheaper rate elsewhere. Marriott will give you 25% off the cheaper rate under their BRG.
I watch it and keep rebooking every time the price goes down.

Edit : also, contact a Virtuoso agent - there’s some on AFF. They will get you a good deal.

I always now use Virtuoso or hotel aligned TA programs (ie. Hyatt Prive) to book accommodation on holidays where we can, it provides such great value.

I live in Orange County (rather than in LA, there is a real difference) and travel around the US often for both pleasure and business. One thing I will say is if you plan 2 days here, 3 days there etc. you'll end up spending a lot of your time travelling. Not just the flights but getting to and from airports, getting through security etc.. If you want to see the major tourist icons then I guess that's the price you pay but apart from places like NYC this country is best seen and experienced by road.
What we do, if we're not say going to an event or to see friends, is fly in to a city like NYC or Orlando and use that as a base for a week or two. You get to see a bunch more things, not just the headline items, and you get a feel for the place. NYC is a case in point; the first time we went there we stayed for 2 weeks. After 2 days I was done, ready to go home. After 4 days I was 100% the other way. Take a trip up the Hudson, visit the Rockefeller Estate near Sleepy Hollow, get to know and use the subway, spend 1/2 a day at The Met (you'll need a day to do see it really), wander around Central Park and grab a bagel at Grand Central.
San Francisco is the reverse; frankly it's shadow of it's former self. Expensive (Silicon Valley has seen to that), busy and dirty. I get in and out now as fast as I can while LA and surrounding areas have much more to offer. LA has museums, heaps of interesting local areas and more. Others have mentioned the Getty, also the Peterson for cars, K-town or Sawtelle for some great Asian food, and so on. Head up PCH for the coastal views but head inland a bit for some local tucker at reasonable prices. Drive up into some canyons and stop at local bakeries and cafes. You'll be surprised.
As somebody else said, in the US go a couple of blocks and the place can be completely different. Stick to the main tourist spots and you won't see the USA, you'll only see what others who want your money want you to see.

Thanks for that.

We're not really the type who do tours, nor generally have much interest in seeing all the things posted in the touristy must-do's - we like to get around ourselves in our own time and explore a place. But obviously with some of the destinations and only spending a limited amount of time means that we'll probably be spending a third of that time looking at the tourist things that do interest us, but the other 2/3 of the time will just be us walking around, ubering etc. taking in different parts of the cities.

This forum has provided some great idea's and spots, and while we may not get there this time, we're only young and will be back to the US a whole lot more times into the future :):)
 
7 nights in NYC is the easiest decision as there are endless things to see and do there and we spent about 1 hour shopping in our week long visit. We chose to stay at Hilton Double Tree in Jersey and had a room facing Hudson River. This way we had the best morning and night views of the city plus the fun of catching the ferry over each day and hopping off at different wharves on Manhattan side. Ferry is roughly 15 mins across. And Washington State is so beautiful!!
 
What to do will entirely depend on what you like to do. IMO food and shopping is everywhere, you don't need to go to any particular city to do that.

I haven't been to Seattle yet, but Boeing Factory, hire a car and drive down to Mt St Helens (it exploded in 1980 and still looks amazing - mountain face is down one road, and lava tubes and petrified forest walk down the other).

I wasn't overly impressed with LA the first time (Disneyland is boring for adults - wish I knew that before going, try one of the other theme parks if you want to do that). If you like all the Hollywood scene, you can explore the Kodac Theatre, walk of fame etc. On my 2nd trip to LA, I hired a bike and rode kms along the beaches and stopped for a spell underneath the LA airport flight path watching the planes. The tar pits were really disappointing.

Vegas is full of interesting experiences if you're prepared to do some research. There are all the shows, each casino on the strip is themed, so checking out all the unique things to do in them is fun (roller coaster, gondola rides, pirate shows, dancing fountains, the list goes on), Wanna fire a 50 calibre machine gun? wanna do a zero G flight? research, research, research. IMO don't waste your time and money doing the Grand Canyon helicopter. The flight was interesting, down the strip, over hover dam and some cool scenery, but the canyon wasn't so grand where they take you. If you want to do the Grand Canyon, go to Grand Canyon Village, which is a fair drive from Vegas and really an overnight there. Vegas is also a starting point for tours of the national parks of the mid-west (these are amazing and well worth it if you are into natural wonders, with my highlight being Yellowstone NP (sort of like New Zealands Rotorua, but bigger, better and doesn't smell), it is well worth a visit - unfortunately it is probably snowed in at that time of year. You'll need longer than 3 days for this also)

In San Francisco, most things are down at the waterfront, so take a trolley in that direction, and grab some clam chowder
for lunch
(served in a cob loaf), see the sea-lions, watch out for the street entertainers who hide behind things and scare unsuspecting passers-by to the delight of onlookers. Alcatraz (research if you need to book this). Take a trip over the Golden Gate Bridge in an old fashioned fire truck. You can do Yosemite NP from San Francisco, but be warned its a looooong day trip, 12-13 hours)

I'm sure you could easily spent 7 nights in NY, there are museums and art galleries (my highlights would be the Intrepid Aircraft Carrier Museum and Museum of Natural History). If you want to do Statue of Liberty, book last year, Ellis Island, take a horse drawn cart through Central Park in the evening (cross your fingers the horse hasn't been fed some beefarino, if you remember that from Seinfeld), Twin towers memorial, Empire State Building, Broadway shows, the list can go on forever.

But the East Coast has some other great locations also, Washington is well worth a visit. There's all the Smithsonian's and all the war memorials. Philadelphia has the liberty bell and original signing location of the American constitution. What about Niagara falls?

At the end of the day, you can't do everything in the short amount of time you have available. You need to decide on the type of things you want to do and where they are. Research, research, research. Can you buy clothes in Australia? Yes, so why waste time shopping, unless its something unique that you chance upon. Sometimes it good to have a reason to go to a destination. I'd like to go back to USA to go to a monster truck show, see the American Ninja Warrior finals, see an airshow.

No matter what you decide to do, you'll have a great time.
 
I would cut a city off your list,
SEA-LAX-LAS-SFO-NYC is too many cities.

NYC 7 nights is good, chop another and extend the time in one of the other cities.
 
I agree with aggie57.The USA is best seen by road.The first 2-3 times visit the tourist spots but then get a car and drive.Amazing what you will find in the most unlikely places.
We have visited all 50 states-meaning we have slept in all 50 states not just done a drive through.We still find new things in places we have been before.
 
I think you have done your researched and planned well. Two nights in SEA won't give you much time, but Pike St Markets and the Boeing Tour are two things you might consider. Everything will be rushed irrespective of what you try. You made a good choice flying into SEA as the TSA in LAX treat you like a criminal even as you land.

Maybe I have been to Los Angeles too many times as I think it is a great place, BUT only to change flights. Don't stay. Consider the USA as the human body and Los Angeles is the rectum, if you get my drift.

3 nights in Las Vegas might be a stretch, but don't waste time driving, take the flight out to the Grand Canyon. You really have to see it to believe it, and you can't describe it to anyone...it is fantastic. Pick one or two good shows at night might be an option, and they have early and late shows at most venues.

Although I consider San Francisco much nicer than Los Angeles, if you are interested in a Alcatraz tour try and book online before you arrive as they book out early. If not your go, take a ferry from Ferry Building (Pier 41) to Sausalito for lunch, ferry takes about 35mins. SFO has a lot of homeless people asking for money, and the trolley cars are a great tourist attraction if you are prepared to line up for a while to get on. You can get a good view of the trolley at the bottom of Hyde St near the water where it turns around before heading back up the hill. There is also a great little bar called The Buena Vista directly opposite where the trolley car is turned around and they have the best Irish Coffee in town. Just something to ponder.

You have probably worked out from other posts that 7 nights in New York is nowhere near enough time, but this is your first trip so don't rush it. Pick a few things, enjoy them and see the rest on your second trip. I find the Americans to be extremely nice and helpful, enjoy.
 
I agree with aggie57.The USA is best seen by road.The first 2-3 times visit the tourist spots but then get a car and drive.Amazing what you will find in the most unlikely places.
We have visited all 50 states-meaning we have slept in all 50 states not just done a drive through.We still find new things in places we have been before.
I'm very impressed. Just did a tally and got to 18 (20 at a pinch but I don't count airports only!) That's some serious travel you've done. Have you ever written a summary? How many separate trips? Just interested. I find the place fascinating. Spending three weeks driving around California only later this year.
 
I'm very impressed. Just did a tally and got to 18 (20 at a pinch but I don't count airports only!) That's some serious travel you've done. Have you ever written a summary? How many separate trips? Just interested. I find the place fascinating. Spending three weeks driving around California only later this year.

Having driven over most of the USA myself, in the past 10 years I have started using Amtrak and never looked back. About 6 years ago (alone) I took the Empire Building from Chicago to Seattle, 2.5 days, cost about US$450 which includes a roomette made up into a bed each night and includes all meals. Last year took another train 39hrs from Union Station LAX to King St Seattle (US$363), again own room and all meals. You get to sit there and watch the world go by. You don't see much at 38K feet so something to consider.
 
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Just a suggestion and if you were planning to go back in the future, why not just stay on the east coast. There is more than enough to see in NYC, Boston, Martha’s Vineyard, catch a train to Buffallo, Niagra falls or even head up to Montreal or Quebec City. As others have alluded too or stated you may waste a time in US airports.
 
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Just a suggestion and if you were planning to go back in the future, why not just stay on the east coast.

The train from New York to Philadelphia which continues on to Washington DC is an easy way to see some great historic sites at each location.
 
Just a suggestion and if you were planning to go back in the future, why not just stay on the east coast. There is more than enough to see in NYC, Boston, Martha’s Vineyard, catch a train to Buffallo, Niagra falls or even head up to Montreal or Quebec City. As others have alluded too or stated you may waste a time in US airports.
Will give it a thought. Have got the award flights to/from US so will need to see if any additional pop up around our dates.
 
You have lots of advice already, and interesting you have the full spectrum from 'I hate LA' "Disney is boring' to those that love both. Have travelled to the US over 10 times, and spent 6 weeks there this past december. Did LA, Phoenix, Texas, NY, and Florida. One thing we realised once again, was the time lost in travel. For each 3 days you are spending somewhere, the first you arrive and the last you leave, so if you are flying in and out, you effectively are there for 2 days. Keep that in mind. Its not easy to fit everything into 2 days. Even moving hotels in NY, you lose the day when you move, its never as simple as 'get my bags and drop my bags off.'

I agree with those suggesting longer stays in less cities, to really enjoy them. Personally, love LA as much as NY, but for different reasons. Completely different cities, but each has everything you may want in a holiday. The food is fabulous in both, but need to do some research first so you dont get stuck with tourist traps. If you have time in NY, take the effort to go to Katz Deli, if that type of food is attractive to you, it's not in the best neighborhood, but a legendary place, and the pastrami is the best.

Vegas is great, even if you dont gamble. A plethora of shows to see, each hotel is themed to the max, and Hoover Dam is a short drive and well worth it. Grand Canyon via helicopter is great, you dont have enough time to see it otherwise. We did the ride with lunch included and it was a great experience.

My other tip, is to not take tips from anyone that hates a place, a bad experience you can have, but some dont truly know what they are looking for when they are in a city, and then complain when its not to their liking. Like complaining about LA traffic, ooh, its bad, very bad, but you're
in LA, that's what you need to expect. In these situations i am always reminded 'would you rather be in the traffic or back at work' and its a very easy answer. Enjoy your trip.
 
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