Former VH-TJT crashes this morning

[markis10]

Operating for Swiftair on approach to Vilnius Swiftair Boeing 737-400, operating for DHL, crashed short of runway Vilnius Airport

Looks like a miracle with no fatalities

Accident Boeing 737-476(SF) EC-MFE, Monday 25 November 2024

An incident occurred near Vilnius with a DHL cargo plane during landing. There were 4 people on board, 1 was taken to hospital, 3 were not injured.

asn.flightsafety.org

 

[Quickstatus]

The Amazon Prime Air runway overrun at YVR (18Nov24) was also a former (1994 built) QF 767-300ER VH-OGN which later became C-GOGN with WestJet, then finally as C-GAZI with CargoJet/Amazon Prime Air

 

[jb747]

Must be QF's fault somehow then.

The trace for this accident is interesting. He seems a bit low at the start, and his sink rate below 1,000' is definitely too high. Speed and heading look okay. It's just been flown into the ground.

 

[markis10]

I think it’s testament to the care they got here during their service that they lasted so long.

 

[NM]

Operating for Swiftair on approach to Vilnius Swiftair Boeing 737-400, operating for DHL, crashed short of runway Vilnius Airport

Looks like a miracle with no fatalities

Accident Boeing 737-476(SF) EC-MFE, Monday 25 November 2024

An incident occurred near Vilnius with a DHL cargo plane during landing. There were 4 people on board, 1 was taken to hospital, 3 were not injured.

asn.flightsafety.org

The linked report says "One of the four occupants perished and the aircraft was destroyed.". Very sad for the loss of live, but miraculous that three did survive.

 

[markis10]

The linked report says "One of the four occupants perished and the aircraft was destroyed.". Very sad for the loss of live, but miraculous that three did survive.

Sad news, it’s a fairly fluid situation and flight safety have updated Accident Boeing 737-476(SF) EC-MFE, Monday 25 November 2024

 

[Quickstatus]

Must be QF's fault somehow then.

No - that the aircraft only arrived at the crash site under changed owners after many flawless years at QF says something.

 

[p--and--t]

Article says two died. One of the pilots and one on the ground

 

[p--and--t]

No - that the aircraft only arrived at the crash site under changed owners after many flawless years at QF says something.

I believe JB made an ironic statement reflecting on the often observed silly responses of some posters.

 

[pauly7]

I believe JB made an ironic statement reflecting on the often observed silly responses of some posters.

Counting down for them to arrive

 

[moa999]

History here - EC-MFE Swiftair Boeing 737-476(SF)

Only three real owners

And an ATC overlay.
Seemingly got permission for ILS landing and told to switch to tower frequency, confirmed, but never communicated with tower.

 

[jb747]

Apparently a Polish air navigation aid calibration aircraft has been working there for the last few hours. It might just be a normal precaution, but interesting nevertheless.

 

[PERLHR]

I think it’s testament to the care they got here during their service that they lasted so long.

Why? It will probably be pilot error and nothing to do with the aircraft. Can't see any reason to be high and mighty because the machine was ex QF! I'm sure the investigation and report will inform in due course.

 

[markis10]

Why? It will probably be pilot error and nothing to do with the aircraft. Can't see any reason to be high and mighty because the machine was ex QF! I'm sure the investigation and report will inform in due course.

Ex Qantas aircraft have historically been keenly sought in the market based on their condition being above average compared to other options, previously due to their in-house mro operation.
In the past ten years this has ceased to be the case and are now usually parted out on retirement.

I wasn’t making a comment on this specific accident, just pointing out the above fact is why you see many ex QF birds around.

 

[jb747]

Why? It will probably be pilot error and nothing to do with the aircraft.

A bit of a leap, don't you think? For a start it's a part of the world in which there is very active spoofing of navigation aids. Plus 'pilot error' has always been a catch all phrase, often hiding other causes. In particular, there has never been an accident due to fatigue ('cos they always end up recorded as pilot error).

 

[Captain Halliday]

@jb747 What do you make of the footage from the security cameras.

This appears to show a sudden pitch nose down.

While this video makes it look like they tried to pull up.

 

[p--and--t]

It didn't take long Ch7 news reporting “former Qantas 737 crashes on landing”

 

[jb747]

This appears to show a sudden pitch nose down.

Yes.

While this video makes it look like they tried to pull up.

This angle is pretty clearly showing the side of the fuselage, and tail, and yes, it does show exactly the sort of pull up you’d expect if suddenly realising you’re about to impact the ground.

The accident investigation will obviously work out the exact positions, geometry and timeline, but perhaps the sequence here is the video showing the pull up first, and then the second, with the pitch down, and roll.

Conjecture only, but, I wonder if the pull up was harsh enough to stall the aircraft, with the pitch down and roll being the outcome.

 

[RooFlyer]

It didn't take long Ch7 news reporting “former Qantas 737 crashes on landing”

They should read AFF. That’s pretty much what the OP said here two days ago.

 

[p--and--t]

They should read AFF. That’s pretty much what the OP said here two days ago.

Not sure why QF is relevant to their reporting of the crash other than clickbait. Hasnt been in QF fleet for more than a decade

Similar to them reporting “massive import tariff proposed for china” (actually 10% as opposed early reports of 60%) and zero mention in same bulletin of Canada or Mexico 25%