General driving discussion

[amaroo]

Re: The totally off-topic thread

My oldest is about to start his driving life. Definitely will be going for a manual license... one of those life skill basics IMO.

 

[JessicaTam]

Re: The totally off-topic thread

they can learn a manual when they get a full licence. If they want.

Except if they are tested in an automatic, they will have an 'auto only' restriction on their licence.

 

[Quickstatus]

Re: The totally off-topic thread

Except if they are tested in an automatic, they will have an 'auto only' restriction on their licence.

Until they get a full licence. Once they obtain a full licence they are unrestricted. Thats why full license do not specify a "manual" certification.

Just searched Hertz in Paris (several locations) - there are lots of automatic cars for hire.

 

[blackcat20]

Re: The totally off-topic thread

Until they get a full licence. Once they obtain a full licence they are unrestricted. Thats why full license do not specify a "manual" certification.

Just searched Hertz in Paris (several locations) - there are lots of automatic cars for hire.

Yeah, restricted for P plates, then fullly licensed they become unrestricted.

I never learned manual, we didnt have one for me to learn on. Hasn't been a problem yet, just means I cant drive TomVexille's ute...

 

[JessicaTam]

Re: The totally off-topic thread

Yeah, restricted for P plates, then fullly licensed they become unrestricted.

I never learned manual, we didnt have one for me to learn on. Hasn't been a problem yet, just means I cant drive TomVexille's ute...

Sounds like you could do with some tuition!

 

[Quickstatus]

New driving AIDS such as adaptive Cruise, low speed emerg brake , lane change assist, park assist do much better in auto cars

 

[TheRealTMA]

Re: The totally off-topic thread

Yeah, restricted for P plates, then fullly licensed they become unrestricted.

I never learned manual, we didnt have one for me to learn on. Hasn't been a problem yet, just means I cant drive TomVexille's ute...

How unfortunate, or lucky?

 

[TheRealTMA]

Re: The totally off-topic thread

Just searched Hertz in Paris (several locations) - there are lots of automatic cars for hire.

Yes but they are more limited to higher class of car and are some 20% more expensive to hire.

 

[Quickstatus]

Not necessarily. But autos are generally more expensive than manuals anyway. Apples vs oranges. If you spend most if your life driving an auto, last thing you want to do is to hire a manual on vacation when auto is available.

 

[JohnM]

Re: The totally off-topic thread

My oldest is about to start his driving life. Definitely will be going for a manual license... one of those life skill basics IMO.

Some years ago we either offered a job, or were about to, to someone only to find out that he did not have a license for manual vehicles. When you are involved in agriculture and a lot of country driving in 4WDs and utes, it is needed. Had to pass him over because of that.

 

[Deleted member]

Re: The totally off-topic thread

Yeah, restricted for P plates, then fullly licensed they become unrestricted.

I never learned manual, we didnt have one for me to learn on. Hasn't been a problem yet, just means I cant drive TomVexille's ute...

I can't speak for Victorian road rules, but in Queensland the following applies:

Automatic (A) condition

If you have an automatic (A) condition on your licence you must not drive a manual transmission vehicle.

If you want to learn to drive a manual transmission vehicle you must:

be supervised by a person who has held an open licence for at least 1 year in that class
display L plates on the vehicle while learning.
If you want to remove the A condition from your licence, you will need to pass a practical driving test in a manual transmission vehicle.


It would seem pointless to have a drivers license obtained solely in an automatic vehicle (called an automatic license) described as "open" where clearly the driver can't operate a manual transmission.
Moreover, there appears to be reference to drivers who can only drive with a synchromesh gearbox. I suspect that is to deal with vintage and veteran car owners with the old style "Crash" gears.

 

[Deleted member]

Re: The totally off-topic thread

Until they get a full licence. Once they obtain a full licence they are unrestricted. Thats why full license do not specify a "manual" certification.

Just searched Hertz in Paris (several locations) - there are lots of automatic cars for hire.

Not in Queensland:

Automatic (A) condition

If you have an automatic (A) condition on your licence you must not drive a manual transmission vehicle.

If you want to learn to drive a manual transmission vehicle you must:

be supervised by a person who has held an open licence for at least 1 year in that class
display L plates on the vehicle while learning.
If you want to remove the A condition from your licence, you will need to pass a practical driving test in a manual transmission vehicle.

 

[JohnM]

Re: The totally off-topic thread

Inaccurate speedos in new cars drive me to distraction. It's not accidental, nor is it an effect of tyre wear. Each maker picks an error that they like, and you're then stuck with it.

Land Rover/Range Rover, it's 3% plus 3 kph. VW about 7% above 60 kph. Audi about 3%. GMH were about 6% last time I measured one. The cars know their true speed too. In the VWs it was possible to input odd codes to the entertainment system, and you'd get a readout of the true speed...on the heating display.

The upshot of this is that we get mobile road blocks, driving along in the right hand lane of our freeways, blithely blocking everyone else. Their speedo reads 110 kph, but they're really doing about 103. They won't move over, 'cos they think they are in the right, and you're a filthy speedster.

Where is the triple like button?!

 

[Deleted member]

Ok, I have checked the Vic roads site, and it "appears" that after you have completed your probationary period on an automatic licence you are automatically (no pun intended) to drive a car with a manual transmission, in spite of not being competent to do so...... this is very confusing, because someone form Victoria would be in breach of the law if they drove a manual vehicle in Qld without the proper licence .

 

[TomVexille]

Sounds like you could do with some tuition!

I really need to get on that

Ok, I have checked the Vic roads site, and it "appears" that after you have completed your probationary period on an automatic licence you are automatically (no pun intended) to drive a car with a manual transmission, in spite of not being competent to do so...... this is very confusing, because someone form Victoria would be in breach of the law if they drove a manual vehicle in Qld without the proper licence .

I don't think that would be the case, as they have a valid unrestricted license.

 

[Deleted member]

I really need to get on that



I don't think that would be the case, as they have a valid unrestricted license.

Valid and unrestricted in Victoria. ..... not Qld.

 

[TomVexille]

Valid and unrestricted in Victoria. ..... not Qld.

I think you'll find that's not correct, as you are bound by the restrictions of your license.

When driving in Queensland under your valid interstate or overseas licence you must:

• only drive the class of motor vehicle authorised on that licence
• comply with the conditions (if any) of your licence
• show your licence to a police officer when asked to do so.

(bolding mine)

As you can see, Queensland recognizes an unrestricted license as unrestricted.

 

[Quickstatus]

Not in Queensland:

Automatic (A) condition

If you have an automatic (A) condition on your licence you must not drive a manual transmission vehicle.

If you want to learn to drive a manual transmission vehicle you must:

be supervised by a person who has held an open licence for at least 1 year in that class
display L plates on the vehicle while learning.
If you want to remove the A condition from your licence, you will need to pass a practical driving test in a manual transmission vehicle.

Not a biggie, just drive an auto. Autos widely available

 

[Deleted member]

I think you'll find that's not correct, as you are bound by the restrictions of your license.



(bolding mine)

As you can see, Queensland recognizes an unrestricted license as unrestricted.

Which strikes me as illogical. Why recognize a Victorian licence in Qld, when they won't afford their own residents the same latitude?
Something doesn't seem right here.

Mind you, all this is irrelevant if the driver can't actually operate a manual transmission!

 

[Quickstatus]

Qld does not call those licenses unrestricted just "open"