Has anyone had success with the call-up "Marginal" xASA's?

[serfty]

Serfty,
How is this a clarification? RedRoo wrote "...Yes. If you book a MASA next week for a post 1 July travel, you will still earn, but it will be at the new rate....". What bloody new rate? There is no "U" fare in the new table!!

It is good enough for me ...

the word "earn" is what does it for me - if ineligible, "earn" does not come into it.

 

[Newk]

It is good enough for me ...

the word "earn" is what does it for me - if ineligible, "earn" does not come into it.

I guess I'll have to go with this as well. Thanks all for helping me understand (well as much as I can anyway)

 

[hossein_au]

It is good enough for me ...

the word "earn" is what does it for me - if ineligible, "earn" does not come into it.

I think I've been in Canberra too long; lawyer/politician speak "every single flight earns at the applicable rate based on the published earn table at the time", in really means "only flights published in the table earn anything more than zero, and we can bloody change the table anytime it damn pleases us... now be gone..."!!

 

[Newk]

Let the burning begin/continue.

L at the premium desk. I reckon took all of three minutes to do me a JASA return to Sydney later this year. Expected rates.
I'll get the new points and SCs and trust that our understandings of these are correct . The nervy hervy part of me wants to agree with hossein.au above though

My wife and I now have just enough for a F return to Europe the second the bookings open for the dates we are looking for next April.

although LOL I could scrounge a few from the children if I feel the urge to do a bit more

Have a good weekend all

edit to add:

look what just appeared in my activity statement. Well done L at the premium desk

QANTAS & JETSTAR ANY SEAT AWARD 1 ADT REF xx_xx_

 

[Platinum A332]

One month ago booked 2xFASA LHR-MEL-SYD in May so I assume this will not be affected by the changes.

Too much confusion going on to bother booking any xASA post-July. Red Roo - two questions to be answered for the rest of the members on here

1) for existing xASA after 1 July what is the new earn rate? Is it the earn rate for U/P class (which is 0), or is it the earn rate for Business/First respectively.
2) Can a valid xASA booking be made Monday onwards? Or is today the last day?

 

[Newk]

One month ago booked 2xFASA LHR-MEL-SYD in May so I assume this will not be affected by the changes.

Too much confusion going on to bother booking any xASA post-July. Red Roo - two questions to be answered for the rest of the members on here

1) for existing xASA after 1 July what is the new earn rate? Is it the earn rate for U/P class (which is 0), or is it the earn rate for Business/First respectively.
2) Can a valid xASA booking be made Monday onwards? Or is today the last day?

I'm glad I'm not the only one with a (very) small doubt about MASA earn for trips after July 1

 

[drron]

My understanding from Red Roo and the QF website is any U/P bookings as an ASA booked until June 30 will earn at the new J/F rates if flown after 1/7.My feeling will be at normal rates not the flexible rates.

 

[serfty]

It is good enough for me ...

the word "earn" is what does it for me - if ineligible, "earn" does not come into it.

I think I've been in Canberra too long; lawyer/politician speak "every single flight earns at the applicable rate based on the published earn table at the time", in really means "only flights published in the table earn anything more than zero, and we can bloody change the table anytime it damn pleases us... now be gone..."!!

More on this - the airline earning tables in the T&C have been updated to reflect that situation as I see as well:
Frequent Flyer - About the Program - Terms & Conditions

It's an image file ... right near the bottom of the web page, below all the other Ailine listings and easy to miss. Thanks for ketsuzei for posting it. (http://www.australianfrequentflyer....out-program-changes-58914-24.html#post1017168)

www.qantas.com.au/img/745x513/a-table-5.jpg

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[JessicaTam]

More on this - the airline earning tables in the T&C have been updated to reflect that situation as I see as well:
Frequent Flyer - About the Program - Terms & Conditions

It's an image file ... right near the bottom of the web page:

www.qantas.com.au/img/745x513/a-table-5.jpg

Thanks serfty, that has at least cleared that up. Now just to determine if it is the base or flexi rate.

 

[serfty]

Thanks serfty, that has at least cleared that up. Now just to determine if it is the base or flexi rate.

Definitely "base" rate!


Check the "Full" image:

 

[Kangol]

I think the more important issue is what will happen if you make changes to mASAs post July 1 - will you still earn if the only changes you make are time/date changes (in the same fare bucket)? In theory there is almost one year's worth of bookings for people to be "worried about" if this isn't directly addressed prior to June 30 and for some may affect what type of decisions are to be made before then.

 

[serfty]

I think the more important issue is what will happen if you make changes to mASAs post July 1 - will you still earn if the only changes you make are time/date changes (in the same fare bucket)? In theory there is almost one year's worth of bookings for people to be "worried about" if this isn't directly addressed prior to June 30 and for some may affect what type of decisions are to be made before then.

I did think about this.

While you won't be able to book from July 1, for booking that exist at that time I reckon it goes back to the fare rules.

 

[Kangol]

I did think about this.

While you won't be able to book from July 1, for booking that exist at that time I reckon it goes back to the fare rules.

I don't think it's the fare rules per se, because for many international U/P ASAs they book into the most flexible category and full refunds and changes without penalty are allowed pending award availability.. which is one advantage of an ASA over a classic (depending on the route).
But if you change dates.. or upfare, which resets the 12 month ticketing window, you can in theory *extend the life* of said bookings..
This goes back to my mention in the other thread referring to the date that the "booking was created" - ie the PNR. Any changes keep the same PNR but have a new ticket re-issued. This will change the value of flexibility in these particular ASAs if the utilisation of this flexibility will not be honoured.

 

[serfty]

Well, much of that is the fare rules. Once booked you can generally (with QF standard policies) extend an international ticket up to two years after the initial ticketing date or one year for domestic.

The little 'if' your the last sentence is important. I doubt anything will change, but that is just my conjecture.

 

[Kangol]

I hope you're right, because the current available T&Cs can be interpreted to contradict each other.

The program rules don't allow changing an mASA to a classic, so all valid changes to mASAs (the flexible kind) should become new mASAs.
As of 1 July, you *won't be allowed* to book mASAs.
But, if the fare rules allow you to make unrestricted changes (pending availability), then in theory you can, but the system won't let you do it.
Then if you can change dates into the same [PUZX] bucket as that when originally booked, the system would only allow classics to be booked... but you can't change an ASA into a classic.

Looking for a direct answer, Red Roo!!

 

[ketsuzei]

Think about a double SC promotion for all bookings made between (say) January 1 and January 7 for travel in the first quarter of the year.

Say you have a booking you made on December 1 for travel on April 1. You can't just change it to a booking on February 1 to get double SCs, because it's still considered to be a booking made on December 1.

The same should be true of changes to an ASA. It will be still be a booking created on or before June 30, and because it's a change rather than a new booking, it will remain an ASA. The inability to book ASAs from July 1 onwards shouldn't come into it.

 

[serfty]

I hope you're right, because the current available T&Cs can be interpreted to contradict each other.

The program rules don't allow changing an mASA to a classic, so all valid changes to mASAs (the flexible kind) should become new mASAs.
As of 1 July, you *won't be allowed* to book mASAs.
But, if the fare rules allow you to make unrestricted changes (pending availability), then in theory you can, but the system won't let you do it.
...

Looking for a direct answer, Red Roo!!

They would have to program more into their GDS at a significant cost when in truth there would be few such - can't see any cost benefit.

I would suggest that like the current case, once the booking is in the system the specific fare rules at the time of booking are what would happen.

 

[ketsuzei]

Can anyone explain where the 11,250 figure for the Platinum Status Bonus comes from in this example?

Frequent Flyer - Program - Tier information

Calculator gives 9,000 for the Platinum Status Bonus, which makes more sense.

So they gave one example for explanatory purposes, and got it wrong.

 

[Mr_Orange]

I'm looking at a JASA to AKL and on my preferred dates a QF codeshare on LAN metal is coming up. Will I be able to book this as a JASA?

Sorry to quote myself, but I suspect this question got lost amidst all the furore over the changes. Does anyone have any experience of booking a LAN QF codeshare as a JASA please?

TIA.

 

[serfty]

... Does anyone have any experience of booking a LAN QF codeshare as a JASA please?

TIA.

No actual booking experience. But back when mASA's are online it would come up at a cheap rage under the QF codeshare flight number as an option.