Have you Stuck with QF?

Have you stuck with QF through the "enhancements"?


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There is a team in place of Red Roo now see below :mrgreen:, oh .......
Red Roo should be reading this thread. Oh that's right, RR has gone.
so several people ( Generic Roo)
 
Essentially, have stuck with QF for earning. But for various reasons in the last few years, have flown non-OW airlines (EK - though that is an earner, TG, SQ, NZ for example). I matched to VA Platinum when they were doing that, and stuck with them while status lasted (3 years) but am now zilch, and have no incentive to fly them (not that I mind them), unless I decided to build up to status the long way, and that is unlikely.

I am totally self-funded leisure, so TBH I just do not fly enough to maintain status in more than one program, so QF is it because it was already there. VA also was but just not as attractive and very limited routes and inconsistent partnerships. Also ruled out due to not being part of an alliance. Crediting to AA - who knows? Have not done the sums but I suspect it would not work out well for me. QF still looks after me OK, despite some of their retrograde measures, but i would 'never say never' when it comes to a possible switch - whether that day comes, who knows? Am LTS but LTG is still some way off.

I am due to regain WP shortly after 2 or 3 years in the SG wilderness (I know, I know, maintain some perspective!! :) ) a little ahead of when I had planned, due to some circumstances not of my own making and hope to maintain that for a while, though mASAs getting the chop sure makes it hard sometimes.
 
Reality is since:
- the recent enhancements;
- the higher QF prices; and
- underwhelming P1 treatment (nothing bad, just a complete failure to deliver me anything above and beyond)
I have modified my flying away from QF by a reasonable amount.

Interesting to read the comments.
Appears to be a trend where LTG members are more open to the idea of switching away.

Like most of you who have left QF - there isn't one single reason why I've not stayed but agree with the sentiment that there is no standout reason.
The death of a thousand cuts.

The grass is certainly greener if you control your own spend and have flexibility.

Putting my FFP professional hat on, there is certainly a culture shift in a certain portion of the traveller population and I don't believe the smart folks at Qantas have figured out how to engage with this growing segment. Loyalty is taking on a new meaning in the minds of this demographic. The same as how loyalty in the telco industry made a giant shift about 6 years ago - airlines are entering a similar phase now. Essentially this presents an opportunity to re-work the model to improve financial performance. I don't see much changing in Australia since the member base is so captive and banks are locked into lucrative points agreements.

Totally agree with the above comments.

However my current "trial-separation" with QF (we're not talking, not even shared-custody), is a direct result of poor P1 treatment. Under-delivering is much worse than never-promising in the first instance.

I won't concur on the comments regarding ASAs, as I was loyal to QF for many years prior to ASAs existing, let alone discovering them. Hell - I was loyal back when my spend was only QP/PS level, and that loyalty led to QF earning ridiculous amounts of self-funded spend from me, far in excess of what I would have spent if it wasn't for loyalty (had I only been purchasing on BFOD or product/value decisions).

ASAs were a nice feature, but their removal has no impact on my loyalty.

Simpler and Fairer, the Jetstarisation of CNS, poor attitudes of the QF Loyalty department and customer-unfriendly policies have all had a much more significant impact on both my personal loyalty, as well as advocacy for the brand.

Professionally however, as an airline - they are an excellent brand, and generally do have an excellent product. The Qantas Frequent Flyer program is no longer part of that statement.

I think Virgin/Velocity represents the best option for most primarily domestic flyers, and I believe that impending improvements to the Velocity program will only strengthen it.

I think that QFF's failings are masked by record billings, and they have overplayed their hand when it comes to enhancements.

The duopoly in Australia provides a significant safety net for them, but the reality is that they have foregone an opportunity cost in the range of hundreds of millions, by over-enhancing the program.

I won't say that QF and I won't reconcile........ but it ain't on the cards for this week.
 
without reading the most recent comments on this thread, I am unsure of the direction most are leaning. However for my part I will stay with QF. my reasons include (but are not limited to) the following:
1. I am a LTQP member (courtesy of my old Life time Flight Deck from TAA / Australian airlines)
2. a lack of a genuine competitor, Yes I hear all you VA people saying what about Virgin? VA don't have the "Real" alliance to rival the One World hook up. and there is (IMHO) still a lot of the LCC feel to VA, which I admit is changing.
3. I don't fly far enough, often enough to satisfy two loyalty programs. (if VA decided to "status match" my LTQP with a LT VA lounge access I might re think this )

Aside from this there seems to be pros and cons around the two options.
Even though I am an Expat k1w1, i cant be bothered joining Air NZ either, mainly because I suspect their Loyalty program is even worse than VA.
So any further "enhancements" by QF will need to be ones which deprive me of my Life time QP status and (LTS) on top of any serious messing about with Points and status earn
 
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Even though I am an Expat k1w1, i cant be bothered joining Air NZ either, mainly because I suspect their Loyalty program is even worse than VA....
IMHO, Velocity >> QFF >> Airpoints
 
I used to be completely loyal to Qantas, but with removal of mASA's (this was the big one for me) and the downgrades to OW SC's earn made me open my eyes and look around. To my surprise, I found a lot of just as good, and in a lot of cases much better options out there. Not to mention a lot of better value options.


Now I'm not going to stuff myself around to make some petty point to an airline, who doesn't value loyalty anyway, so I do still fly Qantas. It is just a lot lot less than it once was. Instead I now select my travel best on what is best for me!! That would be best price, best timings, best connections and best product. Some times this is Qantas, most of the time it isn't though.


You might notice that best loyalty program wasn't on the list above - sure I credit my flights to a FF program, it would be crazy not too, it's just not a driver in how I select the airline I'm going to fly any more.


At the time I was annoyed by the loss of mASA's in particular, but I think in the long run it has been a really good thing for me. I'm saving money and enjoying a variety of airlines. I can't imagine it has been a good thing for Qantas though, they've certainly lost a lot of $$$ revenue from me and QFF is missing out on 80%+ of my credit card points earn these days too (they used to get 100%) - a double whammy.


If Qantas, or another airline was to truly enhance their loyalty program (bring back mASA's perhaps Gaggle of Red Roos???...) - I'd certainly think about loyalty too again, at the moment though, I'm enjoying being free! I'd recommend it to anyone! Be free!!!!
 
Last year I decided early on to pass on retaining P1 as in true DYKWIA fashion I felt under valued by QF and decided to go QF WP and VA WP.

This year I haven't flown VA at all as I was disenchanted with a lack of a VA shadow, poor seating and poor inflight catering so I'm back to flying QF exclusively to re-attain P1 but I haven't had a QF shadow all year, my back hurts from the economy seating and I only eat the cheese and crackers.

I'm so confused

yes, terrible when you buy a Y ticket and get a Y seat.
 
I have stuck with QF, even though sometimes I have wondered why. Overall they do have a superior sevice.
 
Domestically still loyal to QF, and do enough travel with work to retain SG each year....
.....which allows me to be more flexible for self-funded international leisure travel, looking at OW partners to get better deals while maintaining lounge access. Have flown more CX and BA international segments this year than QFi - substantial cost savings with no appreciable drop-off in in-flight service. I'm not going to get close to WP, so lower SC earn on OW partners isn't an issue for me.
 
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Have basically hedged our bets since we started more regular air travel in the 90s.
I got Lifetime QP and mrsdrron lifetimr Golden Wings-that worked out well.
When Ansett hit the ground it was QF by default for about 12 months but then our son moved to the US for 7 years.By this time we had given up Y travel.From BNE QF J to NYC was nearly twice as dear as JAL J.At that time if you went JAL nearly 2 hours less total travel time.Plus JAL had their nearly lie flat seats before QF.You could earn QFF miles BNE-NRT but not on to JFK-JAL was not OW then.However you could earn Aadvantage miles so we joined up.Then in 2006 Got 2 J awards on AA NRT to the USA.Got upgraded on board to F.I have been with Aadvantage ever since.Despite the enhancements for us still much better value than QFF.However mrsdrron has continued to credit to QFF as easier to get to WP.Sometime next year she should hit LTG and then quite possibly both of us will be with Aadvantage as probably going to cut back on travel from 2018/19 so WP probably out of the question.

And still feel a lot of gratitude for what I have learnt on AFF and particularly QFWP who instigated my putting everything I did to AA-hotels,rentals,CC points so I was able to make LTP before they moved the goalposts.
 
I do think there needs a third choice, I have used other airlines as a direct result of Red Roo failing to deliver.

So I didn't choose either option.
 
Even though I am an Expat k1w1, i cant be bothered joining Air NZ either, mainly because I suspect their Loyalty program is even worse than VA.

Rule of thumb is the more competition in the region, the better each FFP will become.
AirNZ is no good for frequent flyers. I wouldn't even call it a loyalty program.
 
Rule of thumb is the more competition in the region, the better each FFP will become.
AirNZ is no good for frequent flyers. I wouldn't even call it a loyalty program.


Air NZ is my number one FFP. I will always make sure I take care of it first because I value it above QF and VA, even without the cc earn. I know others where it is their number one choice also so it definitely has its place in the FFP market.
 
... I know others where it is their number one choice also so it definitely has its place in the FFP market.
Most of those for whom Airpoints is a number one are resident in NZ.

That is really the only way it can make sense these days ... and even then its borderline.

I state this as one who was an *Elite for six years.
 
Most of those for whom Airpoints is a number one are resident in NZ.

That is really the only way it can make sense these days ... and even then its borderline.

I state this as one who was an *Elite for six years.

Ive given this some thought and decided I would still choose NZ even if I lived in Oz. It's my preferred airline for international travel and I can only receive RUs or use APD upgrades through their FFP. Not much point for me having VA as a main FFP if I want to pay for a sale fare in Y then upgrade to PE on a short med or long haul Air NZ flight yet this is where some of the value lies for me. Im happy in economy for short haul but med and long haul it's nice to upgrade if possible and I couldn't do that even with VA Plat unless I used the one up system. At least that's my understanding. It's not so much where I live but my travel pattern (mainly TT and Per) that means NZ would work for me even if residing in Oz.

Apologies for being off-topic.
 
Ive given this some thought and decided I would still choose NZ even if I lived in Oz. It's my preferred airline for international travel and I can only receive RUs or use APD upgrades through their FFP. Not much point for me having VA as a main FFP if I want to pay for a sale fare in Y then upgrade to PE on a short med or long haul Air NZ flight yet this is where some of the value lies for me. Im happy in economy for short haul but med and long haul it's nice to upgrade if possible and I couldn't do that even with VA Plat unless I used the one up system. At least that's my understanding. It's not so much where I live but my travel pattern (mainly TT and Per) that means NZ would work for me even if residing in Oz.

Apologies for being off-topic.

I believe there is a distinct differentiation between airline loyalty and frequent flyer program loyalty.
If recognition upgrades are keeping you loyal to the airline then the FFP is working perfectly to keep *you* spending.

If 2x upgrades a year is what it takes to keep your business (don't tell the airline this!) - one could crunch a few numbers to work out the opportunity cost of not crediting to another FFP by calculating the number of points you're effectively losing, which may well outweigh the RUs.

This is exactly why Qantas FF represents terrible value compared to other programs for certain customer segments.
Air NZ may well work out best for you and if you're in a happy place there's no reason to bother analysing anything.

However it never hurts to take inventory of your business so you can maximize the opportunities.
After all - airlines need you more than you need them.
 
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