Hydroxychloroquine - What Goes On?

Renato1

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I like watching Fox News.

Last Monday, on his radio show, Hannity interviewed a Doctor in a New York hotspot. Doctor said, he treated 350 patients of his and 150 in another area with hydroxychloroquine, antibiotics and zinc sulfate . At that time, he had had none going to hospital and none dead.

Next day Hannity had another New York doctor on who was also treating his patients with hydroxychloroquine - he was more coy about citing facts and figures, but said his results from using the anti-malaria drug on patients were positive.

On Saturday, Tucker Carlson had another doctor on describing the nightmare in New York hospitals. The Doctor then stated that he was using the anti-malaria drug as a prophylactic.

And New York Governor Cuomo was procuring 750,000 doses of the malaria drug chloroquine; 70,000 doses of its derivative, hydroxychloroquine; and 10,000 doses of the antibiotic Zithromax.

After President Trump expressed optimism over the results that French doctors had gotten with the drugs, and he had ordered the FDA to fast track testing of hydroxychloroquine, the Governors of Nevada and Michigan then passed orders preventing their doctors from using hydroxychloroquine on their patients,

These reports sort of raised a lot of questions to me like -
Would it not be a simple statistical test to see if, on contracting the virus, the population of people currently taking the drug for Lupus and arthritis have a significantly lower hospitalisation and death rate than the general population?

Would it not be a simple statistical test to compare the hundreds already treated with the drugs after contracting the virus, to an equivalent number of people who contracted the virus a few weeks prior who weren't treated?

What's up with those State Governors banning its use? and

Is the drug useless, or are New Yorkers and people here and in other countries now dying needlessly?

Then, on The Bolt Report tonight, he reported that New York health workers are now on the anti-malaria drug.
And that France and Italy now allows it to be used in some cases.
And that our health workers will be starting a trial in three weeks.

So, is this some kind of Right Wing Conspiracy in presenting the information above?
Or, does a partial cure fo rthe epidemic exist, but it doesn't work for the public ......but it is good for health workers? (Kind of reminds me of our Face Mask discussion)

Any thoughts?
Regards,
Renato
 
I know some people rely on Fox News and the Daily Mail for their information, but the following link is to an article that may prove more educational:


Cheers, Scaredeycat
Speaking of misinformation, where has Renato1 gone?
 
Yes that is not a trial.
Here some info re many drugs being trialled + vaccines and tests.
 
Speaking of misinformation......

C'mon the life of the CV19 Misinformer is not an easy one......it must be hardwork stacking all that horded toilet paper , visiting random beaches, chasing hydroxychloroqhine, waiting for the latest POTUS tweet let alone chasing down the latest conspiracy theory. Then there is the daily folding and sterilising of one's tinfoil hat protective gear (You know the TREMENDOUS one) .....for some there would just not be enough hours in the day.
 
Yes that is not a trial.
Here some info re many drugs being trialled + vaccines and tests.
The drugs listed there indicate that many body systems can be impacted by this virus and not all those symptoms will appear in every patient and which may explain why in some patients some treatments will perform better than others so identifying which body system the virus is attacking based on symptoms of that patient is critical. And which may explain why sometimes a drug works and sometimes it has no effect. So it needs to be a diagnostic and clinical decision made on the spot and which may mean that scientific trials may never show/prove that one treatment works or doesn't work because in reality each physician will need to select the best treatment that works for that patient - something that a trial cannot do so much.

I notice that Xarelto is on that list too. Obviously a clotting issue (had read about that before) is involved, an anti viral (the HIV one) and the anti inflammatory (eg Plaquenil).

While we poke fun here at the wise one, it is in everyone's best interest to at least find a treatment for this evil virus so let's hope that Plaquenil is a big part of that.
 
preparing his next crazy thread.


Speaking of that and given that said poster has previously said "So I take comfort that my world view is as sensible as that of President Trump.", POTUS has just at his lasted press conference pondered that it would be interesting to see what happens by injecting people with disinfectants and also on the use UV inside people.

Said poster we know from the beaches thread is a believer in UV and sunlight as a way to defeat CV 19.

With POTUS:

"So supposing we hit the body with a tremendous — whether it's ultraviolet or just a very powerful light — and I think you said that hasn't been checked because of the testing," Trump said, speaking to Bryan during the briefing. "And then I said, supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or some other way, and I think you said you're going to test that, too."



Is POTUS said poster ? ;)
 
Is POTUS said poster ? ;)
If this headline "Trump suggests 'injection' of disinfectant to beat coronavirus and 'clean' the lungs" was true then you might be onto something, but what POTUS actually said was asking a question if such a way was possible. So whilst the idea might seem far fetched its a reasonable question from a novice to ask an expert - so definitely not the same person.
 
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.... I was stunned at the number of pairs walking past us either way and continuing to walk side by side. FFS. It's not that difficult to step back single file as you pass. In fact some decided they'll overtake by walking on the bike track and almost touched shoulders as they passed my wife. FFS.

And it's not just one or two. There were many doing it today ....
Unfortunately, there’s a lot of this going on. I have experienced it. You are on a pathway that is less than 2 metres wide, with another 2 walkers/joggers heading toward you. They manage to take up the whole width of the walkway, forcing oncoming walkers to move away.

Some very inconsiderate people around.
 
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One of the reasons why Chloroquine was tried for Covid.
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This paper is a report on in vitro not in vivo so while an indicator, is not peer-reviewed evidence of use in HCQ or CQ in humans against a different variant of SARS viruses. As Trump just said, disinfectant is effective against Coronavirus in vitro. Just not really useful in vivo.

Chloroqinine or HCQ were never shown to be effective in humans against SARS that I have ever seen.
 
Steve Bell, The Guardian:
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Whether or not it works for Covid - ??? For me with auto immune issues it has made an immense difference and yet I still think the jury is out on how exactly it works on the immune system. It's worth trying. Just need to get the dose right. And in some it may work if their issue is immune system related.
 
This paper is a report on in vitro not in vivo so while an indicator, is not peer-reviewed evidence of use in HCQ or CQ in humans against a different variant of SARS viruses. As Trump just said, disinfectant is effective against Coronavirus in vitro. Just not really useful in vivo.

Chloroqinine or HCQ were never shown to be effective in humans against SARS that I have ever seen.
Look at the top right corner.it gives you where the full article was published.It is a peer reviewed journal.The NIH publish abstracts of important journal articles.
Yes it is in vitro but that gives a lead as to whether it may work in vivo.And if you note the date the paper was published you will note that it is August 2005.The SARs epidemic was basically over.And chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine have over 60 years of experience of human use.
So yes still worth trials of it's use in Covid 19 infections.
 
Disinfectant works in vitro.
Bleach works in vitro.
Paint thinner works in vitro.
 
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