ID checks for domestic pax?

[whiteshark]

Getting through security at any domestic airport may become more tedious if this scheme is implemented:

Call for identity checks at domestic airports to prevent criminals boarding flights under false names - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

More time wasting, really its so easy to get fake ID.

If criminals board flights that's not my problem or the airlines. The government loves to screw me around, whats next ID at state borders too.

 

[defurax]

If criminals board flights that's not my problem or the airlines. The government loves to screw me around, whats next ID at state borders too.

I never understood countries that require ID check for domestic flights, but not for interstate train and/or bus travel. What's the logic?

 

[JohnK]

Aside from the impact this would have on processing time (and added cost to travel), what a troubling notion about the potential impact on civil liberties.

What's next?

ID checks to catch a train, show the bus driver your photo card before you can board a bus, taxi drivers running your ID through cabcharge before the car engine will start...

Where does this end?

You don't need an overactive imagination to work that out.

In the not too distant future we (most of us) will have a single smartCard or chip implant with all our details on it including banking. Scan/swipe smartCard/chip implant and all your details will appear. Want to buy something then pay for it with this method without need to carry cash or other cards.

This is closer than people think but with this type of technology comes the ability for total control.

 

[moa999]

If an implant could replace my wallet totally I'm all for it

 

[kyanar]

Generally my experience in the states is a few minutes extra for checking ID's, that excludes the time in takes to conduct the security process, being screened etc. The time does add up though.

I have heard some horror stories about waiting in queues for hours, been fortunate enough to never have experienced it.

I went from DEN->SFO three weeks ago while in the states, and the queue was literally over an hour long to get through screening at DEN. (And then someone pointed out to me that "Premier Access" printed on my United boarding pass meant I could have used the express lane. Oh the humanity! I can't even work out how I got it, it was a Y ticket with NZ*S so not even *G).

That US airlines advise you to be at the airport THREE HOURS before a domestic flight is exactly why we should oppose this - we live in a country where 90 minutes before an international flight is considered viable. Let's not screw it up by adopting the US borked system.

 

[Milefest]

Another problem is that TSA is run by a government agency. If a contracted security team were to do a bad job, they'd be replaced. TSA has no incentive to provide a fast, efficient service.

 

[JohnK]

If an implant could replace my wallet totally I'm all for it

And how did you guess I would be one of the ones to resist?

There is no need for anyone other than me to know everything I do.

 

[moa999]

If an implant could replace my wallet totally I'm all for it

That said with the lack of success of one card or the Google/Apple wallets due to high charges and people not wanting to give up ownership, I don't see it happening anytime soon.

I seem to add a new card to the wallet every year

 

[Fiches Mouser]

You don't need an overactive imagination to work that out.

In the not too distant future we (most of us) will have a single smartCard or chip implant with all our details on it including banking. Scan/swipe smartCard/chip implant and all your details will appear. Want to buy something then pay for it with this method without need to carry cash or other cards.

This is closer than people think but with this type of technology comes the ability for total control.

[OT] The technology definitely exists (just look at the way HKG's Octopus cards work – even schools use them for student attendance tracking).

The issue is getting companies to work together to use a shared (possibly proprietary) technology for their services. I'd love to see it happen, but what a nightmare for implementation. [/OT]

 

[medhead]

The point about criminals just driving instead of flying was raised. It's probably worth considering that the vast majority of cameras have number plate recognition software attached. I'd be bold enough to say that criminals driving are already tracked.

 

[wandering_fred]

And how did you guess I would be one of the ones to resist?

There is no need for anyone other than me to know everything I do.

Alas what moa999 doesn't know / understand that in this case, JohnK is likely an optimist.

Wandering there has a high probability of unintended consequences.

Fred

 

[footy99]

This thread shows how out of touch I am. I still provide passport every time I check in, or enter my passport number into the kiosk if I don't have checked bags and there's a line at the counter. It's just habit on every flight, domestic or international - saves remembering booking codes. I thought most passengers were in the same boat. So this won't affect me.

But then I've still got a 90s mobile with no internet so I may not be representative of the crowd anymore.

 

[Milefest]

The point about criminals just driving instead of flying was raised. It's probably worth considering that the vast majority of cameras have number plate recognition software attached. I'd be bold enough to say that criminals driving are already tracked.

I'd imagine it would be the case for flying too. If a criminal were to travel interstate, they'd probably 'acquire' car not registered to them or book a train/coach, it would much easier travel under the radar that way.

This thread shows how out of touch I am. I still provide passport every time I check in, or enter my passport number into the kiosk if I don't have checked bags and there's a line at the counter. It's just habit on every flight, domestic or international - saves remembering booking codes. I thought most passengers were in the same boat. So this won't affect me.

But then I've still got a 90s mobile with no internet so I may not be representative of the crowd anymore.

Passports are a bit too chunky for me to carry domestically. Much easier to hand them a FF card or check in online.

It would affect you as you would have to pull out your passport at check in and at the gate and/or security.

 

[footy99]

It would affect you as you would have to pull out your passport at check in and at the gate and/or security.

Bummer! There had to be a catch. Yeah I guess that has to lead to delays wherever they do it. Whether it is worthwhile to achieve their security objective, who knows?

 

[Fiches Mouser]

This thread shows how out of touch I am. I still provide passport every time I check in, or enter my passport number into the kiosk if I don't have checked bags and there's a line at the counter. It's just habit on every flight, domestic or international - saves remembering booking codes. I thought most passengers were in the same boat. So this won't affect me.

But then I've still got a 90s mobile with no internet so I may not be representative of the crowd anymore.

Really? On domestic flights? I didn't think there was anywhere to put your passport number into a domestic booking.

 

[footy99]

Really? On domestic flights? I didn't think there was anywhere to put your passport number into a domestic booking.

From memory, you scan the passport in the kiosk and it pulls up your flights? I'm not 100% as I haven't done it in a while (usually either have checked bags so use business counter or lounge access so go there) but I haven't tried to remember a booking reference or printed out a flight confirmation in years.

 

[medhead]

I haven't tried to remember a booking reference or...

There's an App for that...

 

[russ]

There is no need for anyone other than me to know everything I do.

All the government needs to do is read the "I'm in the QF Lounge" thread!

 

[JohnK]

All the government needs to do is read the "I'm in the QF Lounge" thread!

LOL. They think they know who I am?

 

[opusman]

LOL. They think they know who I am?

There can't be many like you