If an australian airline had 772LR's, where do you wish they flew?

[el_rooto]

I was thinking, if a nameless airline got around to getting 777's, (Which would mean biting the bullet and admitting that management was wrong about them to begin with), where would you like to see them fly.

Great Circle Mapper

Wold me a nice start for north america, being able to fly into AA hubs that arn't LAX would be nice.

Seing an asia europe map, with more destinations, would be nice. The ability to fly into a non lhr OW hub would be nice.

Great Circle Mapper

Although, seeing a route map like this would be nice one day

Fix location _per - Great Circle Mapper

 

[samh004]

I’d have thought the A380 could do SYD-DFW already, but I’m not sure if it’d have enough reserves, plus is there even a market for that? I could certainly see a flight straight into the middle of the US with connections in either direction being a good way of doing things, though similarly I can imagine others would think it’d be a stupid idea

 

[dk4]

...DFW ...is there even a market for that? I could certainly see a flight straight into the middle of the US with connections in either direction being a good way of doing things...

I see from your flight stats link that you haven't been to DFW. As with many things frequent flier, "living it" gives a better understanding than a simple written comprehension.

Dallas / Forth Worth is the centre of the Universe. (Well for 1W North America anyways.) From a passenger's perspective, flying nonstop from major South-Western Pacific cities to DFW would be a huge draw card. This is not only due to the vast number of new one-stop 1W destinations that it would bring online, but also because many of these are serviced by dual-class aircraft (an advantage over ORD, because from AA's Chicago O’Hare hub, these same destinations are serviced by single-class aircraft only).

QFs current strategy is to focus at LAX, and thus adding a service to DFW would mean a dilution of services to its own North American centre (and the value that this hub brings from a passenger perspective, particularly in terms of service disruption minimisation, as witnessed recently with the VA problems).

So, until there is some market gossip around that DJ is about to start marketing flights (VA or DL) to IAH, and trump Qantas with a vast number of one-stop flights from Houston (in the same way as it plans to with Europe, via Abu Dhabi) I don't think that we will see QF make a move on DFW. (Plus they would need to build a fabulous new QF-first/AA-flagship lounge there!)

 

[chrisb]

PER-LAX seems to be an option... That would be nice for those of us over here, as well as anywhere in Europe.

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/777family/pf/777_range_la.pdf

Really, i'd like Qantas to do PER-NZ direct to compete with AirNZ.

 

[notzac]

I'm surprised that no-one has mentioned a SYD-JFK direct service. Bound to be a fair bit of premium traffic that flies that route, and I'm guessing that a few of us here know exactly how much fun the LAX stopover isn't..!

 

[docjames]

Does it have the legs to do SYD-JFK nonstop though? With economic loads? SYD-DFW is a better idea due to the ability to hub into "Another Airline"'s network at DFW. Still one stop to JFK.

I'd add SYD-YVR to the wish list, and "certain" airline will never hub flights to EU out of PER because so many pax will just be connecting why disrupt their already established "trunk" routes. But it'd be a great a/c to EU. Would it do DRW-sotuehrn EU? Then they could hub there instead of SIN. But with such an established network at SIN, and the need to hub the 744s there, it becomes uneconomic to have a second hub so nearby. Expect the 789s to fill this role, in orange, ex-SIN (thus maintaining a single hub). There's a whole heap of cities that it'd be great to see "certain" airline serve non-stop or one-stop ex-Aus, but the economics year round wont work. I'd put MAD or BCN, CDG (might get there eventually), MUC, Moscow, ATH, Rome etc on this list, but these will likely go "certain LCC" airline as above.

If they could get over the ETOPS hurdle (which now has new name which i cant recall) it'd be a great a/c for SYD/MEL-EZE or SYD/MEL-SCL (dont know it it has the legs for SYD-GRU or SYD-GIG). Similarly, would it have the range for SYD-MEX? Or return, might need a technical stop MEX-SYD I guess? So i'd add MEX to the wish list, but also to the "not happening in the short term" list too.

Really, these routes, whilst perhaps technically capable with the aircraft, may be uneconomic for a multitude of reasons, hence why they never went for the 777 in the first place. Some will be taken up by the 788/789s when they (finally) arrive as they (should) be economic. We wouldnt be having this discussion if the 787 was on time, as they'd be flying now, and "certain" airline would have it's long haul, mid size a/c.

 

[moa999]

The certain airline ordered 787s instead of 772s.
I believe the 787-9 was meant to have similar range to the 772LR, query if this is still the case however.

 

[samh004]

I see from your flight stats link that you haven't been to DFW. As with many things frequent flier, "living it" gives a better understanding than a simple written comprehension.

Dallas / Forth Worth is the centre of the Universe. (Well for 1W North America anyways.) From a passenger's perspective, flying nonstop from major South-Western Pacific cities to DFW would be a huge draw card. This is not only due to the vast number of new one-stop 1W destinations that it would bring online, but also because many of these are serviced by dual-class aircraft (an advantage over ORD, because from AA's Chicago O’Hare hub, these same destinations are serviced by single-class aircraft only).

I just wasn’t sure tourists and business-people alike would want to go there, but looking at a map, it looks like the ideal spot to fly to, right in the middle, allowing easy access to anywhere else.

I’ll have to go and experience it some day!

PER-LAX seems to be an option... That would be nice for those of us over here, as well as anywhere in Europe.

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/777family/pf/777_range_la.pdf

That map really illustrates just how little landmass there is on the way to Australia

 

[markis10]

I'd add SYD-YVR to the wish list, and "certain" airline will never hub flights to EU out of PER because so many pax will just be connecting why disrupt their already established "trunk" routes.

Why would you want to compete with the 772LR already on that route?

 

[notzac]

Does it have the legs to do SYD-JFK nonstop though? With economic loads? SYD-DFW is a better idea due to the ability to hub into "Another Airline"'s network at DFW. Still one stop to JFK.

772LR has the legs to do 9395 nm (sauce: boeing.com) .. SYD-JFK is 8646 nm. I have no idea what sort of payload restrictions would be needed or what sort of configuration would be required to make it financially viable (assuming it's financially viable at all) - maybe jb747 would be able to tell us.

I was just thinking that there'd be a reasonable amount of O&D traffic on that route, and perhaps some airline might be able to take advantage of it.

If they could get over the ETOPS hurdle (which now has new name which i cant recall) it'd be a great a/c for SYD/MEL-EZE or SYD/MEL-SCL (dont know it it has the legs for SYD-GRU or SYD-GIG). Similarly, would it have the range for SYD-MEX? Or return, might need a technical stop MEX-SYD I guess? So i'd add MEX to the wish list, but also to the "not happening in the short term" list too.

I don't think either SYD-MEX or MEL-MEX are possible under any sort of sane ETOPS rules, but it'd be kind of awesome all the same ... Flights from Mexico to Mexico

 

[browski]

MEL/SYD/BNE - Dubai, Abu Dhabi, Amman, Istanbul, Moscow, Beirut, Mexico City, Sao Paulo, New York, Vancouver, Nairobi, Addis Ababa, Lagos, Cape Town, Mumbai.

I know some of these legs could already be achieved with existing aircraft but it would be nice nonetheless.

 

[docjames]

Why would you want to compete with the 772LR already on that route?

SCs and FF points. of course, the existing 772LR already on the route is just one of a host of reasons "certain" airline wont fly it.

 

[43yearoldvirgin]

Buenos Aires, or Non stop to southern Europe.....well the rumours keep going on.....

 

[docjames]

SYD-AMM would allow one stop connecting with RJ to a lot of destinations not currently easily accessible flying australian airline for leg 1 ex-Aus.

Edit: Of course have just realised VA/EY via AUH now covers a lot of this.

 

[jamesatfish]

Several years ago on a QF flight SYD-LAX in F I sat across the aisle from a member of the QF Board of Directors en-route to NYC for a meeting. During the flight the Captain came down and they had a chat about various bits and bobs relating to the company and the upcoming meeting.

One tidbit I overheard was that QF was looking seriously at SYD-DFW once the Dreamliner came online, citing the advantages of making pretty much every AA destination in the US a one-stop route from Sydney rather than the current two-stop situation.

If the 772LR is capable of that distance then I'd certainly like to see that route as it gives much better connection options than flying into LAX or SFO.

 

[DrJ]

Definitely second PER-LAX!

 

[Paddy55]

One tidbit I overheard was that QF was looking seriously at SYD-DFW once the Dreamliner came online, citing the advantages of making pretty much every AA destination in the US a one-stop route from Sydney rather than the current two-stop situation.

If the 772LR is capable of that distance then I'd certainly like to see that route as it gives much better connection options than flying into LAX or SFO.

Agree. I'd prefer flying into DFW over LAX any day! DFW looks to have room for traffic growth while LAX seems to be perpetually straining at the seems.

People have noted in other threads a preference for entering the US via SFO just to avoid LAX.

Paddy

 

[el_rooto]

They could do a pe + J only service syd -jfk

 

[chrisb]

Qantas has seen the light! sort of...

QF10 (London-Singapore) on 5 November will be operated by a B777 aircraft chartered from British Airways. A decision will be made later this morning regarding customers with onward travel to Melbourne

 

[docjames]

Qantas has seen the light! sort of...

QF10 (London-Singapore) on 5 November will be operated by a B777 aircraft chartered from British Airways. A decision will be made later this morning regarding customers with onward travel to Melbourne

Classic - perhaps not the perfect time for QF to start trialling SYD-LAX (BA's arent LRs anyway, they have 772s (non LR) and 773s, and now 773ERs - only a few new deliveries of the latter).

I guess they can stick them all on various A330 services to BNE/PER (dont say JQ.....) and perhaps second some 763s/domestic A330s to get them from Singapore to MEL. Not waht they paid for, but at least got them home I guess.