iMAC's in QPs and Lounges

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Re: MACS in HKG Qantas First/Business Class Lounge

Like I said personal gripe against apple.
Not just the firewall.
:lol:
I dont see why they chose MACs. No other QP ive been in has them.
Anyway I like the HKG lounge, its better than the old QP IMHO, except the old lounge had daylight / gate aircraft views.
Well, I'm haaving trouble following your reasoning (and I can twist most things any which way).
You have a personal gripe against apple, so you mention something about the firewall, which isn't that important or relevant to actually using lounge computers. :confused:

As to why they choose macs, you got a reasoned answer. My answer; because they are better suited for use in a lounge situation. :p
 
Re: MACS in HKG Qantas First/Business Class Lounge

As to why they choose macs, you got a reasoned answer. My answer; because they are better < snip >. :p

Slightly amended for a more precise response ;)

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And it should iMacs in the lounge. MAC is a type of make up isn't it?
 
well that was my first thought, but I thought I'd try to narrow it down to the lounge question. :rolleyes:
 
Re: HKG Qantas First/Business Class Lounge

Things might change with the new QF/BA lounge having opened. Certainly it was not a bad lounge IMO but I still like the CX Wing better. To be fair, however, the F part of the QF/BA lounge hadn't opened whilst I was there, so I couldn't try that. Being a WP (oneworld Emerald), I was able to access both the J and F parts of the CX lounges, which is reflected in my responses below.



I'm sure both the Wing and Pier (at least the Wing) J section has a buffet selection of some sort. It's not as nice as the F sections, and not as nice as the QF/BA lounge (with the exception of the noodle bar, but for those not really liking noodles you might tire of it quickly).



I was in the lounge area around mid-morning to mid-afternoon. Had no trouble finding a seat, although yes there were people in the lounge. Not sure about the computer situation, but free power point sockets were able to be located. Again, talking about the F section here. J section definitely more crowded, but I wouldn't go to the extent of our big two QPs on a Friday arvo.



I agree - they were really, really nice.



I didn't try the showers in the CX Wing J section, if there are some (I assume there are). I got a cabana in the F section, which was nice. I also had a shower later in the CX Pier, can't remember which section I was in though. No cabanas at the Pier, but the shower suites nonetheless were quite large; larger than the QF/BA J ones. You can also request a whole range of additional accessories in the CX lounges. I'm reserving judgement about Dermologica - Elemis has a nice smell to it, although CX is the first lounge to actually stock separate face cleanser, which is Dermologica. Full points there.



Good to know. I didn't make it to the Sakura lounge before their closing time. I'm more surprised they had sushi; if I had to hazard a guess, I'd be expecting not much at all - perhaps some biscuits, drinks and that's about it. I can speak a bit of Japanese but I'd be extremely surprised if someone could not manage the lounge without knowing Japanese.





I think there are some simplistic reasons for Mac v PC:
  • Macs look better than most PCs; certainly as far as "off-the-shelf, standard mass stock" computers go, Macs beat PCs hands down. (You'd need to put in a lot of effort to make a PC that looks as good or better than a Mac.)
  • Macs are usually much more stable than PCs.
  • Although it is increasingly becoming a naive observation, Macs are still less likely to be attacked by viruses and particular software exploits. (Virus writers should really think about making their attacks cross-platform :p)
  • Since more people use a PC compared to a Mac, if they are faced with a Mac then they are less likely to attempt to do stupid things on the system (unless you have the knowledge). This is why every PC in a QF lounge needs policies and the like to stop people from accessing areas that they shouldn't (e.g. Control Panel). With Macs - in conjunction with being a *nix based system - the controls are much easier to achieve and the fact that "it's a Mac and not a PC" will probably dissuade a lot of people straight away.
Not everyone subscribes to the theory that Macs are better than PCs. :shock: :cool:

32 Reasons why PCs are Better than Macs
 
Re: HKG Qantas First/Business Class Lounge

Not everyone subscribes to the theory that Macs are better than PCs. :shock: :cool:

32 Reasons why PCs are Better than Macs
Luckily I qualified my macs are better statement to usage in a airport lounge. Luckily none of the 32 reasons given are relevant to the users of airport lounge computers. Except maybe reason 22

22 - What is it with Steve Jobs?
Has there ever been such a self-serving, egotistical, irritating man as Apple CEO, Steve Jobs? Yes, he brilliantly rescued the company from the doldrums in the late-1990s, but boy, he doesn’t half bang on about it.
and maybe 23:

23 - The menu is where?
For an interface that’s supposed to be intuitive, design-led and superior to Windows, Mac OS has some pretty odd quirks. One of the most annoying is that the menu bar for any given application isn’t actually attached to the app itself: it sits at the top of the screen in one of the most bizarre forms of conceptual detachment we’ve seen in a long time
:lol:
 
Re: HKG Qantas First/Business Class Lounge

Luckily I qualified my macs are better statement to usage in a airport lounge. Luckily none of the 32 reasons given are relevant to the users of airport lounge computers. Except maybe reason 22


and maybe 23:

:lol:
I think 23 is one of the main reasons a lot of people do not like Macs. Putting it in other words they do not know have to navigate their way around. If they did know their way around their perception 'might' change.
 
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Not everyone subscribes to the theory that Macs are better than PCs. :shock: :cool:

32 Reasons why PCs are Better than Macs

Not everyone may subscribe to Macs > PCs but that article is pretty dubious (including the Mac response). Easy picking examples:
  • Technology comes first to PC compared to Mac. Du'h! Market share? Design for the market?
  • Apparent poor support for Macs vs PCs. See first point. Du'h again!
  • Viruses hardly affect Macs; Macs are far less prone to security risks. Partially true, but naive to believe completely. Oh, did you read my first point.
  • Apple as a status symbol (e.g. baddies use PCs, good people use Macs). Oh geez - I'm not even going to entertain this POS of a point.

I use a PC because
  • Compatibility / connectivity
  • Specialist applications that can only be run on PCs / Windows. Moreover, programming on different platforms requires recompilation of the source code on each platform (i.e. not directly transferrable) - very annoying if the target platform does not have the development kit installed.
  • Costs. Sorry Mac, I don't see the value in the inflated prices of your machines; swish and good looking they may be, but that doesn't swing me towards a Mac, and that long term babble in the article by the Mac respondent - rubbish, no sale!
 
Re: HKG Qantas First/Business Class Lounge

I use a PC because
  • Compatibility / connectivity
  • Specialist applications that can only be run on PCs / Windows. Moreover, programming on different platforms requires recompilation of the source code on each platform (i.e. not directly transferrable) - very annoying if the target platform does not have the development kit installed.
  • Costs. Sorry Mac, I don't see the value in the inflated prices of your machines; swish and good looking they may be, but that doesn't swing me towards a Mac, and that long term babble in the article by the Mac respondent - rubbish, no sale!
I really think this part sums it up for most people.

Compatability, Applications and Cost :!:
 
I honestly could not honestly say which may be better - I've never used an iMac - Ever ...

... although I did employ a Lisa for about 6 months in the late 80's
 
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I use a PC because
  • Compatibility / connectivity
  • Specialist applications that can only be run on PCs / Windows. Moreover, programming on different platforms requires recompilation of the source code on each platform (i.e. not directly transferrable) - very annoying if the target platform does not have the development kit installed.
  • Costs. Sorry Mac, I don't see the value in the inflated prices of your machines; swish and good looking they may be, but that doesn't swing me towards a Mac, and that long term babble in the article by the Mac respondent - rubbish, no sale!

Sorry I can no longer subscribe to the last one of your comments. After having perused the PC laptop lot at JB and the like, I could not find a single one I would be willing to part any cash with for. They were all plastic, tinny and felt extremely cheap and nasty. I would be afraid to knock it slighly even.

As for compatibility/connectivity, that's now very much a myth. There's not much a PC can take that a mac can't.

Application wise, yes. There is still a lot of use for custom apps and the like that are pc only. I switched to macs due to my line of work (ISP Network Engineering and the like where *nix is the order of the day) as I wanted a decent laptop. Back then, PC laptops were still actually good.

You pay a premium for apple hardware, yes. It also happens to come with an OS, iLife (which no PC has anything for free that even comes close) and a superior build quality. Any desktop/laptop will have its share of problems and DOA's. Mac is not any different to pc's there.

Anyway, we're way OT. We're talking about the lounges at HKG and their quality (which I suggest are better with macs ;)) Sorry back On topic again ...

*edit*
Damn, someone changed the topic ;)
 
As someone who's both a Mac and PC user - I can't stand people who get into debates on which is better. It's like a whole new level of zealotry on an almost religious fanatic level.

Try being around University lecturers for nearly six years, its where you find the most hardcore mac users. Seriously, you'd rock up into visual arts, design, music, or the computing schools, and you'd not be able to walk 50m without hearing someone somewhere having the debate computing scholars haven't yet been able to sort out - who's better.

I enjoyed blowing mac users away when I'd rock up with my Windows PC having closed out or retrieved the next job ticket, before firing up their terminal and seeing the look of shock on their faces that not only did I have a clue about mac's, but were doing things in ways they didn't even know were possible and putting them to shame.

One is good for some things, the other is good for some other things - use the one which works the best for the job at hand and be done with it already.

Thankfully I'm always packing a wifi device in the lounge, so I don't have to battle through the scrum (or scum depending on current occupants) to find one which hasn't been covered in crud by a little tyke uncontrolled in the lounge, or the sweat and germs of someone looking at quasi-coughography in a public area.
 
Sorry I can no longer subscribe to the last one of your comments. After having perused the PC laptop lot at JB and the like, I could not find a single one I would be willing to part any cash with for. They were all plastic, tinny and felt extremely cheap and nasty. I would be afraid to knock it slighly even.

If you were looking for a decent road warrior PC laptop, then you're looking in the wrong place.

I'm still not sure that the tougher Apple laptops adequately justifies its premium. I'd like to see side-by-side tests with Dell, IBM/Lenovo, Fujitsu and Apple.

This topic is going to go on and off topic continuously (laptop vs. desktop, the latter being in the lounges).

As for compatibility/connectivity, that's now very much a myth. There's not much a PC can take that a mac can't.

Good point actually.

I assume any provider of wireless broadband in Australia provides Mac support for its hardware.

Can Mac OS X read/write NTFS? Most new Linux distros can, even the new NTFS versions.

I switched to macs due to my line of work (ISP Network Engineering and the like where *nix is the order of the day) as I wanted a decent laptop.

Makes sense. If using *nix you could get away with either, but if you wanted to go Mac that's fine. Of course Windows isn't the best for network engineering / tracing tools at all.

You pay a premium for apple hardware, yes. It also happens to come with an OS, iLife (which no PC has anything for free that even comes close) and a superior build quality.

I'll agree with your point about iLife - some of the tools you can get for the PC are of varying quality. Some are better, some definitely not. Some are free, some cost the world. Some are easy to use, some have a very steep learning curve. And almost all of the tools have an inconvenient combination of the weaknesses and strengths which I've described.

It's interesting that when it comes to preinstalling applications on PCs that there's some line that companies can't cross otherwise it's treated as anti-trust and a crime. In saying that, I do not like preinstalled applications and I especially despise companies like HP plonking on their bloatware to new systems.

If I wanted to do some serious video editing or the like, then barring any hardware incompatibilities (of which I would think there would be few), I'd probably pick a Mac to do the job. Stability would be the winner there (again barring the allegations of greater crashing than PCs and poor memory management).
 
As someone who's both a Mac and PC user - I can't stand people who get into debates on which is better. It's like a whole new level of zealotry on an almost religious fanatic level.

Oh you think this war is bad? Try:
  • Windows vs Linux vs Mac OS
  • MS Office vs Open Office
  • Java vs C/C++
  • JSP vs PHP vs ASP
  • iPod vs the others
  • Every flavour of Linux vs each other
...and the granddaddy of them all...
  • vi/vim vs emacs
 
Oh you think this war is bad? Try:
  • Windows vs Linux vs Mac OS
  • MS Office vs Open Office
  • Java vs C/C++
  • JSP vs PHP vs ASP
  • iPod vs the others
  • Every flavour of Linux vs each other
...and the granddaddy of them all...
  • vi/vim vs emacs
You know the scary thing anat0l, I've seen, forced into or witnessed every one of those wars. Mind you, it's been a while between drinks on the Java, JSP and *nix debates - thank christ.
 
Re: HKG Qantas First/Business Class Lounge

And are they the absolute newest machines (21.5” and 24”) or an older generation, as I can imagine the upgrade would have been planned for some time and they might have just bought the cheapest.

I'm sure the following will answer your question Sam MobileMe Gallery (unfortunately taken on my iPhone)

The lounge was pleasant enough although I did pop over to the Wing to check it out and have an obligatory bowl of noodles

Jeff
 
Can Mac OS X read/write NTFS? Most new Linux distros can, even the new NTFS versions.

Pick the one nasty part of OS X;)

There is 3rd party compatibility for NTFS but it's not built-in.

I'll freely admit I prefer mac to PC no questions about it. I've also got to use PC's as part of my day to day job in a support capacity.

I could have gone linux, but OS X has the polish I like, with the back-end that does everything and more (gotta love Darwin Ports and gcc :))
 
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It's been there since Tuesday. I just hope they are faster than Nokia in fixing stuff.

Hope you get it back soon - back in the day you'd just swap out the card in the store, so I hope it's nothing too serious. :) I've witnessed a few Nokia nightmares, so I would certainly hope it's nothing like that.

Oh you think this war is bad? Try:
  • Windows vs Linux vs Mac OS
  • MS Office vs Open Office
  • Java vs C/C++
  • JSP vs PHP vs ASP
  • iPod vs the others
  • Every flavour of Linux vs each other
...and the granddaddy of them all...
  • vi/vim vs emacs

You forgot Wars vs Trek. As a longtime Wars fan and a late blooming Trek fan, this is the one I hate the most. :mrgreen:

It's strange - this thread seems straight out of Mactalk or Whirlpool, can't believe it's popped up on AFF. ;)
 
Re: HKG Qantas First/Business Class Lounge

You forgot Wars vs Trek. As a longtime Wars fan and a late blooming Trek fan, this is the one I hate the most. :mrgreen:

It's strange - this thread seems straight out of Mactalk or Whirlpool, can't believe it's popped up on AFF. ;)
I think everyone needs to get together sort this out over a game of Rock-Paper-Scissors-Lizard-Spock. FT AGM next month sound good? :mrgreen:
 
I'm sure the following will answer your question Sam MobileMe Gallery (unfortunately taken on my iPhone)

The lounge was pleasant enough although I did pop over to the Wing to check it out and have an obligatory bowl of noodles

Jeff

Thanks for that, the background isn’t bad either!

Wonder if I can find that on the QF site anywhere.

Can Mac OS X read/write NTFS? Most new Linux distros can, even the new NTFS versions.

Does Windows read/write to HFS+ out of the box?

It's strange - this thread seems straight out of Mactalk or Whirlpool, can't believe it's popped up on AFF. ;)

Reminds me of MacRumors or what Spymac was back in the day.

Fanboys everywhere!
 
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