International arrival experience PER T3?

[SYD]

Rather than starting another thread (although probably should if there’s not something else already similar to this question):

What‘s the PER T1 (Int) to T4 (Dom) transfer experience like at the moment?

We’ll be flying in from DPS on JQ and transferring to QF onto SYD (all one ticket) in July. I know we have to collect bags, clear customs etc but it sounds like we need to schlep ourselves and luggage from T1 to T4. The airport website is a bit vague ad suggest Taxi/Rideshare and a throwaway about a shuttle every 20 mins or so. Anyone more more specific info.

 

[wandering_fred]

Never had a problem with the free shuttle..
Just hope everything is on time
But recently it has been limited wandering
Fred

 

[RnD]

coughpy old shuttle bus that runs every 20mins, the stop is right outside the terminal with the next time digitally displayed. Taxi will cost around $30.

 

[SYD]

Never had a problem with the free shuttle..
Just hope everything is on time

We have just under 4 hrs - so hopefully more than sufficient. Fortunately it’s not a JQ 787…

coughpy old shuttle bus that runs every 20mins, the stop is right outside the terminal with the next time digitally displayed. Taxi will cost around $30.

Thanks. Just confirming there’s no bag drop at T1? Take shuttle/taxi with bags?

Or train to the nonexistent T3/T4 hub….

 

[RnD]

We have just under 4 hrs - so hopefully more than sufficient. Fortunately it’s not a JQ 787…

Thanks. Just confirming there’s no bag drop at T1? Take shuttle/taxi with bags?

Or train to the nonexistent T3/T4 hub….

Ah yes I forgot about the train, shuttle bus is easier. No bag drop that I'm aware of.

 

[jrfsp]

The shuttle bus always has lots of space so bags arnt much of a problem

 

[SYD]

Ah yes I forgot about the train, shuttle bus is easier. No bag drop that I'm aware of.

Train was a joke - there’s no station on the other side…! QF might one day move like VA did…

 

[AustraliaPoochie]

Yeap, they didn't plan a train station for PER T3/T4, so that one is out.
I did the taxi in 2013, it was fast, from PER T4 (at that time QF's arr airport for domestic flights), to T1 when QF flew from T1 to SIN, (at that time), yes, I know QFi from PER now uses T3.
Coming back, I did the bus.
Granted this one is old hat by now, ie, 2013 to now, but for 4 hours, int to dom, get the taxi.
QF might be able to put you onto an earlier flight.
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Considering that you would have been able to do OLCI for the QFd flight, but you will still have to do bag drop at T4, taxi, taxi, er, did I say, taxi.

 

[CaptJCool]

yeah, no station planned as they wanted to move QF around to the Airport station terminal

but that's fallen on Joyce ears

 

[SYD]

but that's fallen on Joyce ears

PER airport and WA Gov didn’t exactly come to the party either. But yes, the customer loses. Shame, the new VA pier was quite well done and T3/4 should have been bulldozed years ago.

 

[jpp42]

Maybe an opportunity to reconcile now with both a new WA Premier and new Qantas CEO coming up?

 

[OZDUCK]

Maybe an opportunity to reconcile now with both a new WA Premier and new Qantas CEO coming up?

Maybe but have my doubts about there being much change in the governments opinion. The location of the the train stations was decided by the previous Liberal Government with the full expectation that QF would be moving soon and that decision was supported and continued by the incoming government. As far as I am aware there has never been public wavering by any member of the current government. The last ''official'' comment I can see was - “We’re a little bit frustrated with the dawdling that’s going on at the moment with Qantas,” he said.". And that was by the now incoming Premier a couple of months ago.

WA to Qantas: Stop ‘dawdling’ over Perth Airport move

WA Tourism Minister Roger Cook said Qantas’ slow pace in moving to Terminal 1 is keeping Perth Airport from being the “western gateway to Australia”.

australianaviation.com.au

 

[Cognac]

yeah, no station planned as they wanted to move QF around to the Airport station terminal

but that's fallen on Joyce ears

This will still happen. I know there are a lot of non-believers, but it will happen. Covid gave Qantas a bit more wiggle-room to belabour the issue, but T3 and T4 will be demolished before the end of the decade.

 

[jpp42]

Maybe but have my doubts about there being much change in the governments opinion. The location of the the train stations was decided by the previous Liberal Government with the full expectation that QF would be moving soon and that decision was supported and continued by the incoming government. As far as I am aware there has never been public wavering by any member of the current government

To be clear I support Qantas moving to T1/T2, I agree that with the train station built, that T3/T4's days have to be numbered. What I meant about reconciling, is that they need to have meaningful private commercial discussions that will facilitate the move in a way that meet's both parties goals (and concessions from both parties, perhaps). The overarching goal needs to be on improving amenity to the travelling public, and shouldn't need to resort to mudslinging in the media.

 

[oz_mark]

PER airport and WA Gov didn’t exactly come to the party either. But yes, the customer loses. Shame, the new VA pier was quite well done and T3/4 should have been bulldozed years ago.

Not sure what exactly the WA Government was supposed to do. They built a whole lot of transport infrastructure (roads/trains) around the idea that the terminals would be combined. It's not up to the WA Government to pay for Qantas to move.

 

[jpp42]

Not sure what exactly the WA Government was supposed to do. They built a whole lot of transport infrastructure (roads/trains) around the idea that the terminals would be combined. It's not up to the WA Government to pay for Qantas to move.

That's a hardline approach, my point is that the real solution lies somewhere in the middle. It's not uncommon for governments to subsidize airports to get airlines to do what they want. The mudslinging around this issue has led to people taking extreme positions - either Qantas should just do what WA wants for free, or alternatively, Qantas shouldn't pay a dime and be totally reimbursed by the government for moving terminals. My point is that new leaders, without the baggage of the previous mudslinging matches, should ideally be able to get into a room and hammer out a commercially focused business deal that results in both parties meeting somewhere in the middle.

 

[jrfsp]

That's a hardline approach, my point is that the real solution lies somewhere in the middle. It's not uncommon for governments to subsidize airports to get airlines to do what they want. The mudslinging around this issue has led to people taking extreme positions - either Qantas should just do what WA wants for free, or alternatively, Qantas shouldn't pay a dime and be totally reimbursed by the government for moving terminals. My point is that new leaders, without the baggage of the previous mudslinging matches, should ideally be able to get into a room and hammer out a commercially focused business deal that results in both parties meeting somewhere in the middle.

The issue is centered around the commercial arrangement between two private entities (PAPL and QF). Both parties have been in dispute for years around terminal charges which was only recently settled (with the supreme court deciding on middle ground).

The long term plan has always been centred around a centralized terminal arrangement. QFs issue is around increased terminal charges compared to the current T3/4.

It is likely that VA agreed to new terminal fee arrangements when they moved to their new terminal

 

[wandering_fred]

AFAIK there is a free bus from the Redcliffe train station to T3/4. Which is likely more convenient than the long walk (elevated and covered) from the Airport train station to the international terminal.
Will still be awhile before I see either in my wandering
Fred

 

[oz_mark]

That's a hardline approach, my point is that the real solution lies somewhere in the middle. It's not uncommon for governments to subsidize airports to get airlines to do what they want. The mudslinging around this issue has led to people taking extreme positions - either Qantas should just do what WA wants for free, or alternatively, Qantas shouldn't pay a dime and be totally reimbursed by the government for moving terminals. My point is that new leaders, without the baggage of the previous mudslinging matches, should ideally be able to get into a room and hammer out a commercially focused business deal that results in both parties meeting somewhere in the middle.

Enough people here jump up and down about the 'corporate welfare' that Qantas receives. But in the end, there needs to be a commercial agreement between the Airport and the Airline, and it mostly around how much the lease of the new terminal will cost.

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The issue is centered around the commercial arrangement between two private entities (PAPL and QF). Both parties have been in dispute for years around terminal charges which was only recently settled (with the supreme court deciding on middle ground).

I thought Qantas were appealing the decision.

 

[Daver6]

AFAIK there is a free bus from the Redcliffe train station to T3/4. Which is likely more convenient than the long walk (elevated and covered) from the Airport train station to the international terminal.
Will still be awhile before I see either in my wandering
Fred

While I haven't taken the bus from Redcliffe to T3/T4 I have taken the train to T1 and done the walk. There is no way waiting for a bus, having multiple stops at the long term car parks and taking ages to get between the terminal and train station is going to be more convenient than the elevated walk.

The walk is under cover, protected from the elements and has travelators. It's super quick and convenient. Trolleys are also available (for a fee, just like the rest of departures at the airport).