IPad opinions?

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Oh if even half true, this is going to be great in Australia:

Techies Fume Over iPad's Hidden Weakness | The Atlantic Wire

Reports that in direct sunlight the iPad can overheat quickly and need to cool down.

While the iPhone/iTouch have similar operating temperatures, my guess is that the larger screen (and mass of black/glass etc) concentrates the sun.

Looks like it could be for indoor use only (excluding cars!).
 
I'm typing this post on an iPad I just bought here at South Coast Plaza. I arrived on SQ12 about midday, got through customs, then shuttle, then hotel and finally to the Apple Store.. Surprisingly the store was busy but easy to get my hands on a demo unit and then all units were available exstock. The advertised accessories were sold out already.

Initial thoughts

Like an iphone but faster, nothing earth shattering.
I haven't download any iPad specific apps yet.
My purchase is for a specific cloud computing project that I want to roll out. For me I'm just looking for a nice mobile device for our field technicians.

I'm using the free wifi (and free diet coke refills) to kill time this afternoon.

Interestingly when configuring the wifi, the iPad wouldn't connect to the open network until I disconnected my iPhone from the same open wifi access point. Will monitor that over the next few days.

Out of the box experience has been the normal smooth Apple experience.

Alby
 
Here is what some weirdo thinks of the iPad! ;)

iPad smashing video goes viral on YouTube

Ninemsn said:
The Los Angeles Times caught up with Justin Kockott, the 19-year-old high school student who made the video titled "Brand new iPad getting smashed by a baseball bat."

"I wanted to be the first one to do it before other people did it," Kockott told the newspaper. "It was just something to do."

"I knew some people would hate it, but I didn't think that many people would hate it," he said. "A lot of people are leaving really bad comments (in the YouTube comments section)."

I still don't get what all the fuss is about for the iPad....
 
To me the iPad looks like an oversized iTouch/iPhone ..... but fwiw, I'd probably get one just for the iNerd factor in me ;)
 
To me the iPad looks like an oversized iTouch/iPhone ..... but fwiw, I'd probably get one just for the iNerd factor in me ;)

It is a large iPod Touch/iPhone. That is the important thing. It runs and OS that is designed for multi touch interface so now you get apps being developed for that interface with greater screen real estate.

I think this will be huge in education and progressively in the corporate environment. I would love to see our board papers delivered through this. At the last meeting we each (22 of us) had 6 files of papers for one meeting... Imagine that delivered via an email.

I can't wait to get my hands on one!
 
Being a bit of an Apple user (i'll stop short of Fanboi as I'm tending to get over a lot of the hype now and just prefer to see what's being released before I make a decision), the hype leading up to this had me thinking 'no point'.

To a large degree, I still totally feel the same, unless it's used for this...

YouTube - iPad in Car, Pt. 1, First Ever, SoundMan Car Audio

Get the 3G version which has GPS and you've got a killer TomTom/Media/Entertainment system in your car (for less than you'd pay for a Pioneer or Alpine system similar). Have a USB cable hidden that you could put into your laptop to sync music/apps/updates, and you're laughing.

Of course it'd be fun to do this to it too...
YouTube - Will It Blend? - iPad

:D
 
I think this will be huge in education and progressively in the corporate environment. I would love to see our board papers delivered through this. At the last meeting we each (22 of us) had 6 files of papers for one meeting... Imagine that delivered via an email.

Education - esp. Uni students? Yes. iPad. (However their usage in a lecture room for example is limited).
Corporate - won't be heavily taken up due to security concerns and limited use. Corporates will go for other better and more suitable tablets like the planned HP Slate HP Slate to cost $549, have 1.6GHz Atom Z530, 5 hour battery? -- Engadget

Just because it's Apple - doesn't mean it's the best.
 
Just because it's Apple - doesn't mean it's the best.

The difference between what is objectively best (i.e. "technically" or "scientifically") and what is best for market can be very different.

Education - now that's an interesting market to target, and I could see it working if iPad does outshine previous attempts to put such products into education.
 
Corporate - won't be heavily taken up due to security concerns and limited use. Corporates will go for other better and more suitable tablets like the planned HP Slate HP Slate to cost $549, have 1.6GHz Atom Z530, 5 hour battery? -- Engadget

Just because it's Apple - doesn't mean it's the best.

I think the gap on the Corp market is really about ignorance and prejudice. Win boxes are inherently insecure and massively vulnerable - but IT guys think they can manage the risk through locking things down and installing patches (and other things as well).

I can't think of anything more suitable for this sort of thing than a box that can only access a controlled environment rather than a slate full of slots and connections and vulnerabilities.

I am looking forward to the day as COO when I can tell IT to think about how rather than thinking about why not...
 
I think the gap on the Corp market is really about ignorance and prejudice. Win boxes are inherently insecure and massively vulnerable - but IT guys think they can manage the risk through locking things down and installing patches (and other things as well).

I somewhat agree - IT is known as the great "disabler" rather than the "enabler" in many organisations. But it isn't always based on FUD, ignorance and prejudice.

Here's some things Corporates should at least consider:
  • How to stop a iPad user from connecting to an external wi-fi point (or over 3G) and accessing unsuitable material?
  • Can an iPad user leak confidential corporate material to the Internet?
  • How to mandate a certain revision of the OS, or conversely control which revision of the OS is on the machine for support reasons?
  • How to investigate iPad misuse? What logs are retained and how can they be accessed?
  • How to remote "desktop" support of an iPad?
  • Are there VPN clients for the likes of Cisco?
  • Can certain applications be blocked from running?
  • If a corporate mandates Anti-Virus protection on *all* devices, how do you handle that with an iPad?
  • Can you enforce password policies on the ipad to protect sensitive data?
  • Is there a way to encrypt the disk on an Ipad?
  • How about a "remote kill" function which wipes the device if it is stolen or lost?
I don't know the answers myself (and some could be simple). I'm the first to admit I have a serious prejudice against Apple devices. Also there are some which Windows has equal failings with... but some workarounds and software do assist.

I am looking forward to the day as COO when I can tell IT to think about how rather than thinking about why not...

Hopefully you also appreciate that this approach can lead to half baked/failed implementations and huge IT support costs or security concerns as incorrect technology solutions are "patched" into an environment. The business shouldn't say "We want iPads!". They should come up with what they require and technology found to match that requirement closely. It might be an iPad, it might be a Slate. It might even be a traditional laptop.
 
This is actually a topic I am fascinated about (as you might be able to tell). I think a lot of your questions are "doable" on a corporately owned device (remote kill exists etc.)

The big challenge is about people like me that want to bring their won device to the party - I bring my own pen to work so why can't I bring my own other facilitator.

Mal - thanks for your pretty insightful post - I understand about the need to make sure IT implementations are not half baked (I am currently overseeing a major project for that reason) - what I am tired of is the "Apple bad" attitude of many IT people I have dealt with. I have had some great discussions recently with people in IT though about what their obstacles are and how we can tackle them which is a tiny step closer :D
 
I'm the first to admit I have a serious prejudice against Apple devices. Also there are some which Windows has equal failings with... but some workarounds and software do assist.

Interesting I think that so many guys in charge of IT in my experience share your views. I wonder where this "serious prejudice against Apple devices" comes from. An addiction to the old dos world?

They seem to be less virus corruptible, less buggy and more inclined to work out of the box. I have lived in both worlds. I still run windows on my Mac, but once the last of the software I use ports across to the mac environment - its asta la vista windows.

I will buy an IPad next week while in Vegas. Mainly so I can use it while travelling - the battery life is a winner for me. It will not replace my laptop, its just a device that will keep me entertained - maybe its an opportunity to dabble in the e-book world - not sure yet.

The Iphone has impressed me so much it seems worth giving this a go. YMMV
 
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Mal, your bias is readily apparent, but good on you for admitting it - I would similarly admit the opposite. ;)

I do agree with your general point though - in the near future, I don't see the iPad, or even any similar device, gaining traction as a device used in corporate IT. Mainly because the PC paradigm (and I use that term broadly, rather than Windows- and desktop-only) is still by far the most effective for application to that environment - in contrast to the iPhone, which has had some success because it plays within, and acts as an extension of, that environment.

On the other hand, the iPad is very much a relatively well featured content consumption device which has lots of potential for content creation. That potential will be drawn out and exploited well and truly outside large corporate environments, though it may have some impact on them further down the chain when the workstation paradigm shifts (and that may not be for a very long time).

In any case, it doesn't affect me as I don't need to wrangle with IT any more these days. All I need is the most convenient interface at any point to capture and manipulate text and numbers, and create acceptable presentations and I'll use whatever I want to do that - and will start doing so on the iPad as soon as it's in my hot little hands. ;)
 
I am looking forward to the day as COO when I can tell IT to think about how rather than thinking about why not...

When your a COO you will be thinking how much does each call to my IT team cost ???
Your IT then will work out, how can I support X number of staff to edit non-work related photos and play on facebook on their new Ipad.

I agree with Mal on this one, your IT department maybe painful. But we have to answer the problems when you cant get it working. I work in education and often I have to shoot down 'dreamers' because they take up 90% of your time but only represent 1% of my client numbers.
 
The big challenge is about people like me that want to bring their won device to the party - I bring my own pen to work so why can't I bring my own other facilitator.

And the flipside is that a pen can't do much damage to the security of a corporate IT infrastructure, nor can it easily leave with corporate data. Also, if it is lost, then the biggest issue is that it needs to be replaced (and not the company having to deal with mandatory reporting of lost customer personal information!).

I support the notions that (in the majority of cases) personal IT devices and corporate networks shouldn't co-exist. It blurs the line considerably between what is corporate data and what is personal data. An Ipad that someone takes on a weekend trip to Byron Bay shouldn't contain a mixture of corporate and personal data. It should only contain personal data or corporate data.

If you are in some industries, visits to certain countries trigger a "reimaged" laptop policy where there is no corporate data on it due to espionage/security concerns. VPN is the only link allowed to deal with corporate material. How do you deal with this in a mixed use device situation?

When an employee leaves a company who has a mixed use device, then how do you ensure the corporate data is removed? Likewise if they decide to sell their personal device, are you also sure it has been correctly wiped?

Also being corporately owned, it is an asset that can be tracked. You can't easily track personal devices. If a personal device is lost, the person might just replace it and re-sync. If it's a corporate device, then the loss will be discovered eventually (whenever an appropriate audit is done).

It is an interesting discussion. But there isn't a simple answer to the problem. In every implementation of IT there is a level of risk. No risk would mean companies wouldn't have IT!

It's how that risk is firstly defined, then mitigated and finally signed off as an accepted risk that matters.
 
When your a COO you will be thinking how much does each call to my IT team cost ???
Your IT then will work out, how can I support X number of staff to edit non-work related photos and play on facebook on their new Ipad.

I agree with Mal on this one, your IT department maybe painful. But we have to answer the problems when you cant get it working. I work in education and often I have to shoot down 'dreamers' because they take up 90% of your time but only represent 1% of my client numbers.

1 - You should give no support to non-work related activity.
2 - 1% of your client number might represent 100% of your future leadership team or the innovators that will help your company achieve great things in the future.

Deciding to limit your options limits your ability to innovate.
 
Oh if even half true, this is going to be great in Australia:

Techies Fume Over iPad's Hidden Weakness | The Atlantic Wire

Reports that in direct sunlight the iPad can overheat quickly and need to cool down.

While the iPhone/iTouch have similar operating temperatures, my guess is that the larger screen (and mass of black/glass etc) concentrates the sun.

Looks like it could be for indoor use only (excluding cars!).

Seems odd with this line:

Needless to say, this could be a real issue for users in places like Florida, Texas, California, or anyone wanting to take their new $500 toy to the beach.

There’s no way I’d take an iPad to the beach, sand gets everywhere!

For myself, as I’ve previously said, I could really use it, I’d probably use it as a way to get back into reading books, and the new apps designed for the screen do look cool, but it’s lacking a killer feature for me (other that being an e-book reader).

I saw the internal photos and seriously thought they could have added a built-in SD card slot, like their MacBook Pro’s, and as others have lusted over, a camera for some sort of video chats could be cool too. I know both of those aren’t what the iPad is meant for, but it’s an additional feature that could really be useful.

I’d personally wait for the second version of it to come out, next year I guess. It’ll be a killer wait, but worth it for some improvements.
 
Interesting I think that so many guys in charge of IT in my experience share your views. I wonder where this "serious prejudice against Apple devices" comes from. An addiction to the old dos world?

They seem to be less virus corruptible, less buggy and more inclined to work out of the box. I have lived in both worlds. I still run windows on my Mac, but once the last of the software I use ports across to the mac environment - its asta la vista windows.

I don't necessarily think that Apple is that hated in the IT world. Especially since most IT people I know do have various bits of Apple stuff. There is a big divider though between "nice product that I want to own" and "Suitable for the corporate/I am able to support this product at an corporate level". So some of the dislike for Apple shown by people in IT mgmt may just be their "public" face rather than their "private" face.

My dislike around the Apple methodology is based on many things that I've previously mentioned (eg inline battery, requirements for iTunes to sync, closed and locked Operating System, lack of features etc, proprietary accessories that often cost a fortune etc)

I think djfuzz summed up well some of the reasons why Apple isn't so accepted corporately (except in some environments - especially creative ones). Corporates are very Windows focussed - and will be for quite a while. Architecture is often designed around managing Windows. Legacy applications still remain that must be run on Windows etc

I no longer have access to Gartner reports, but they would make good reading as to the take-up rate of Apple devices in the corporate world and what their opinions of the iPad are.

Small businesses and environments are the ones that can quickly adapt to new technology. Larger places take time.
 
Small businesses and environments are the ones that can quickly adapt to new technology. Larger places take time.

This is why these larger businesses traditionally find it difficult to compete in emerging areas. As more traditional service delivery continues to migrate to the internet and technology in general these emerging technologies become mainstream and business which can't at least react quickly if not lead in this area risk being over-shadowed by more nimble competitors.

How are the CEO's of ad-agencies and book sellers able to justify their records when faced with new competitors Google and Amazon going from zero to US$240B market cap in a decade? Did their IT support recommend conservative reliance on WindowsXP and IE6 whilst their new competitors captured their whole market? Stability and reliability is key, but innovation mustn't be stifled.

The iPad is a portable computer with a large display and innovative operating system. The press focus on shipping functionality like reading books and surfing the web but this is a computer so it's important to use some imagination and consider how forthcoming innovative applications will empower the device. Apple's iWork applications are a good example of how complex content creation applications can be successfully implemented on the iPad. More will come from independent developers. I've seen things like full CAD drawing, Artist sketch books, and multi-track music mixing already.

The size of the screen and performance of the hardware makes it a pleasure to use this thing for capturing business data. It's fast and easy to develop for. It has low purchase, training and support costs based on iPhone. It's easy to synchronise data over the air with corporate databases. It can be centrally managed and remotely wiped and you can restrict employees syncing data with their personal iTunes.

Forward thinking corporates should be all over a device like this. I firmly believe in another decade we'll be fondly reminiscing when we had to use a mouse to control our computers, much like some of us remember - or have to use at a big corporate - the command line to control our green screen terminal. It might not be Apple gear everyone will use but again they seem to be the pioneers.

Sorry for the rant. Dealing with old fashioned IT departments is one of my daily grinds.

Cheers,
Steve.
 
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