Is Award seating This aggressive?

[p--and--t]

And I don't know why! (there is conflicting information).

QF calculates the cheaper of the through fare OR sector by sector. Often, the through fare will be cheaper.

But just to provide that QF does charge sector by sector where that is cheaper, here are two examples:

MEL-KUL-BKK: Y -> J : 3918 + 754 miles for total trip of 4673 miles. If based on the highest class, business class, the cost should be 75K miles. But it prices out at 60200, being 30200 for economy on the first sector and 30000 for business on the second.​

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MEL-SYD-LAX: J -> Y: 439 + 7488 miles for a total trip of 7929 miles. If pricing in J, the highest cabin, the cost would be 108400 points. But it instead prices at the cheaper segment level of 18400+41900 points for a total of 60300.​

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In many cases, folk will want the longest sector in business class, and the cheapest will be the through fare.

But not always.

A example where this might be applicable would be for something like ADL-SYD-LAX-LAS. Las Vegas is a popular route and First class may not be available LAX-LAS.

ADL-SYD-LAX comes in at 8213 miles and 108400 points in business class. Adding LAS bumps the flight into the next zone, which would be 126500 all in business class, but if in economy for the last sector it prices at the sector price for a total of 116000 points. A saving of 10000 points for a short last flight.​

For the avoidance of doubt - all those prices i quoted are available as of a few minutes ago - so they are live examples. And they are all on the one PNR.

The op is talking about using points. The paid for fares are calculated differently to rewards points.

It greatly depends on whether the intent is paid base fares with upgrades or points plus taxes only.

It also depends on whether he is using the OW award (eg 319K points) or QF "pricing" for award points by sector

 

[Pom-DownUnder]

Sorry guys looking at a few things and just having some WTF moments, please see image for madness that I dont understand?

 

[MEL_Traveller]

The op is talking about using points. The paid for fares are calculated differently to rewards points.

It greatly depends on whether the intent is paid base fares with upgrades or points plus taxes only.

All those examples I gave were for clearly for award tickets! (miles, zones and points required!)

 

[p--and--t]

All those examples I gave were for clearly for award tickets! (miles, zones and points required!)

Under the OW 319K award ticket, if one sector is in J, it doesn't matter if the other sectors are only in Y or Y+, you will still "pay" (in points) for J all the way.

If doing it sector by sector using QF table, then points will be deducted on the class of travel for the sector - as you have stated.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Sorry guys looking at a few things and just having some WTF moments, please see image for madness that I dont understand?

What don't you understand? The availability chart may indicate business class - but with certain sectors only available in another cabin (for example the Dubai to Newcastle being in economy). However, the pricing of those awards is independent. If the sector fares are cheaper, that's what will apply, not just the blanket 'business class'.

When I search for EK flights to Europe I almost always end up doing a multi-city search, so SIN-DXB and then DXB-xx_. There may be more than one flight on the DXB-xx_ and although you might have to wait a few hours longer in transit in Dubai, you might get business class on that flight.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Under the OW 319K award ticket, if one sector is in J, it doesn't matter if the other sectors are only in Y or Y+, you will still "pay" (in points) for J all the way.

once you add up all the sectors it is likely cheaper that the through fare is cheaper The pricing is an 'or'. The cheaper of the through fare OR sector-by-sector.

 

[Pom-DownUnder]

What don't you understand? The availability chart may indicate business class - but with certain sectors only available in another cabin (for example the Dubai to Newcastle being in economy). However, the pricing of those awards is independent. If the sector fares are cheaper, that's what will apply, not just the blanket 'business class'.

When I search for EK flights to Europe I almost always end up doing a multi-city search, so SIN-DXB and then DXB-xx_. There may be more than one flight on the DXB-xx_ and although you might have to wait a few hours longer in transit in Dubai, you might get business class on that flight.

the flight from SIN to DXB is the exact same flight on the exact same day, just with differing second legs ...

2 of the three show that SIN to DXB will be J
1 of the three does not ... same flight .. same day ... ? wtf ?

 

[MEL_Traveller]

the flight from SIN to DXB is the exact same flight on the exact same day, just with differing second legs ...

2 of the three show that SIN to DXB will be J
1 of the three does not ... same flight .. same day ... ? wtf ?

Could be a married segment. They are willing to 'sell' SIN to DXB only if you continue to a 'selected' married pair, or which NCL or CDG are two. If you search for SIN-DXB by itself on that day, only economy is available.

 

[Pom-DownUnder]

Could be a married segment. They are willing to 'sell' SIN to DXB only if you continue to a 'selected' married pair, or which NCL or CDG are two. If you search for SIN-DXB by itself on that day, only economy is available.

coughK me dead, lol